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Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Haven't seen it elsewhere so I'll put it here. Shroeder is gone. Not unexpected.

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=521636&cmpid=canucks-twt-vancanucks

I think it was a good move for Jordan and I hope it works out for him. It didn't appear to me that his heart was 100% there with the Gophers this year to be honest. I think he checked out a while ago ;), so this is not a surprise at all.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Haven't seen it elsewhere so I'll put it here. Shroeder is gone. Not unexpected.

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=521636&cmpid=canucks-twt-vancanucks

Best of luck to him. He is a good player and hopefully he can show that at the next level. I was not overly impressed with his play this year, but I still think he will go on to be a good player. Maybe playing with higher level talent will help him out.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

I think it was a good move for Jordan and I hope it works out for him. It didn't appear to me that his heart was 100% there with the Gophers this year to be honest. I think he checked out a while ago ;), so this is not a surprise at all.

I think he had a target on his back every time he was on the ice. His style of play is more suited for the pro game than the college game anyway. Hope everything goes well for him.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Not at all a surprise. I want to wish him all the best, but since he's playing for Vancouver, I'll simply wish him good health.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

A big part of the failures this year has been under achieving play. I must be the only one on here who thinks it's not Lucia it has been the players. The senior class was extremely disappointing. I think Tony Lucia exceeded my expectations and Bariball was what I expected but all of the others have been underachievers. You know usually the teams seniors are their better players, but that was clearly not the case on this team. I don't know if they were good leaders or not but did not produce on the score sheet that is for sure. I could not stand Carman from the get go. Woog it right on the head when he references that when a player has more penalties than points that is NOT good for the team. Other then Hoeffel, nobody would sit in front of the net unless you count Flynn sitting out front whiffing on stuff.

I was expecting guys like White, Carman, Sachetti, Shroeder, Farichild, Ness, to put up some numbers this year and I am sure Lucia did as well. Guess what, they under achieved. I don't like ripping guys, because they are good players, but this year was on the players, not the coaches everybody. I want Lucia to continue as coach of the Gophers. They will be better next year. Getting that senior class of the roster is an instant upgrade already.

Edit: Comments about Senior class especially Bariball are as a whole, not just this season. I know he pretty much missed the whole year.
 
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Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

What were you expecting out of Barribal? The season ending injury???
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Alright, best quote ever for all you Gopher fans. So after the Sunday game, probably Lucia's last game with the Gophers, he walks over to shake Hakstol's hand. He looks at him and says, "Just so you know, #26 called me a fag twice." And thats all he said. Ha! That is so funny.

Also speaking of Lucias, Tony DID hit a fan with his stick after Sunday's game. Which if we are keeping track, and we are, is 10X more classless than the Fratting hit.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Getting that senior class of the roster is an instant upgrade already.

Wow and just think Johnson and Okposo would have been with this senior class. I am still confused with the Bariball comment. He didn't play this year so how can his play be as expected?
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Alright, best quote ever for all you Gopher fans. So after the Sunday game, probably Lucia's last game with the Gophers, he walks over to shake Hakstol's hand. He looks at him and says, "Just so you know, #26 called me a fag twice." And thats all he said. Ha! That is so funny.

Also speaking of Lucias, Tony DID hit a fan with his stick after Sunday's game. Which if we are keeping track, and we are, is 10X more classless than the Fratting hit.

No one likes a tattle tail!
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

I don't know why Don Lucia has had a run of unproductive years. He has recruited some highly-rated players and most have stayed around long enough to develop well. The best go early but everyone's best go early. Overall, I don't think the Gopher fan base or the program is all that bad (not that I will ever cheer you on) but Coach Lucia has definitely lost something that is quite essential to winning hockey games. He has all the wrong momentum and if, given the chance, he comes back for another season, I think he has only that season, next season, to finish in the top 3 and make it to a regional final in order to survive the Maturi axe.

Outwardly, the Gophers show little or no heart. They don't skate as hard as their opponents. They aren't mentally tough. They obviously have talent. It shows very prominently at times --- then vanishes. Would it change if Blais took over? I think so. But I think there is a better chance that Motzko or Sandelin would get the job.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Alright, best quote ever for all you Gopher fans. So after the Sunday game, probably Lucia's last game with the Gophers, he walks over to shake Hakstol's hand. He looks at him and says, "Just so you know, #26 called me a fag twice." And thats all he said. Ha! That is so funny.

Also speaking of Lucias, Tony DID hit a fan with his stick after Sunday's game. Which if we are keeping track, and we are, is 10X more classless than the Fratting hit.

Tony or Don said this to Hak??? I heard from a Sue fan buddy of mine that TDon didn't shake Hextall's hand after the game. I guess if some kid called me a fag I probably would bypass him as well in the handshake line, or maybe call him a meatgazer.

Thats garbage if Tony is taking swings at fans, regardless of how much sh*t they are giving you.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Tony or Don said this to Hak??? I heard from a Sue fan buddy of mine that TDon didn't shake Hextall's hand after the game. I guess if some kid called me a fag I probably would bypass him as well in the handshake line, or maybe call him a meatgazer.

Thats garbage if Tony is taking swings at fans, regardless of how much sh*t they are giving you.

Don said the fag thing to Hakstol. And no, the coaches didn't shake Hextalls hand.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

I like the fact that Hexy gets under peoples skin but if he's calling Lucia a fag that is going way to far and I hope its not true.... Tony hitting a fan is classless and pu$$y but I don't expect anything more from him:rolleyes:
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

Agreed, as a gophers fan I envy Hextall's play. But if he's calling opposing coaches fags, that shows me he's got a lot of growing up to do. It's one thing to yap at the players and even the bench (which he does everytime he skates by) but calling a coach a fag, that's bush.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

He has recruited some highly-rated players and most have stayed around long enough to develop well.
The team was gutted after '07 and '08. When you lose a player like Bickel after one season, that's a very bad sign as he wasn't an elite player. Solid defenseman, yes - but not on the level of Johnson who is now starting for the Blues.
But I think there is a better chance that Motzko or Sandelin would get the job.
Why would we hire these two? Sandelin has had mixed results at best - the one F4 in 2004 and region final loss to Miami last season - that's it. He hasn't shown enough with UMD to justify offering him a job here. Motzko hasn't done much with SCSU either - still no NCAA wins for that program. He was a good assistant here at MN, but he hasn't shown any justification to hire him away from SCSU as a head coach.

If the team wishes to hire Blais, they'd be doing so recognizing the fact that it's just a temporary fix. I don't envision any scenario where he'd be here longer than four years. The problem MN faces is that if they wish to replace Lucia, they must be able to find a superior candidate AND be able to hire that candidate away from his existing team. It'd be nice to get Blasi, but I doubt he could be lured away from Miami. Then there's the Serratores - who by all appearances are very loyal to their current programs. If none of these guys are available, then what - start scouring the ranks of assistants out there - and who among them would be qualified to run this program?

Cary Eades would be an interesting choice in that regard, although I suspect half the fanbase would want to shoot Maturi for hiring the assistant of a huge rival. On the other hand, I doubt the team would have a problem being properly motivated for their games with him at the helm, and I also doubt they'd struggle to the same degree with their psychological edge.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

A big part of the failures this year has been under achieving play. I must be the only one on here who thinks it's not Lucia it has been the players. The senior class was extremely disappointing. I think Tony Lucia exceeded my expectations and Bariball was what I expected but all of the others have been underachievers. You know usually the teams seniors are their better players, but that was clearly not the case on this team. I don't know if they were good leaders or not but did not produce on the score sheet that is for sure. I could not stand Carman from the get go. Woog it right on the head when he references that when a player has more penalties than points that is NOT good for the team. Other then Hoeffel, nobody would sit in front of the net unless you count Flynn sitting out front whiffing on stuff.

I was expecting guys like White, Carman, Sachetti, Shroeder, Farichild, Ness, to put up some numbers this year and I am sure Lucia did as well. Guess what, they under achieved. I don't like ripping guys, because they are good players, but this year was on the players, not the coaches everybody. I want Lucia to continue as coach of the Gophers. They will be better next year. Getting that senior class of the roster is an instant upgrade already.

I don't think the blame falls squarely on either the coaches or the players. I draw the circle of attribution around both, as there are improvements to be made in both camps. Keep in mind, the senior class was not made up of natural goal scorers to begin with. They came up from checking lines and were basically role players in the past. So in retrospect, early expectations to perform beyond their established patterns and abilities were obviously unrealistic. BTW Barriball didn't play enough to accurately assess his play for the season.

I think we all understand more clearly that regardless of whether a player is an NHL draft choice, Mr. Hockey or has done well in the USHL, these factors do not have sufficient predictive validity of a player's immediate impact and performance in the WCHA (there are few exceptions). There are numerous affective risk factors in the transition and adjustment to the NCAA and WCHA that can reduce a players prospective development and effectiveness. NHL teams place their expectations on much younger players today who may or may not develop to satisfy early assessments. So having a team of numerous NHL draft choices does not necessarily indicate their performance will match symbiotic expectations.

I would be very surprised if the Gophers do not improve next season over this season's performance considering the precise scrutiny and greater performance expectations the coaches, players and the program in general will now need to adhere to (can it get any worse? ;) ). However, I don't think there are many, if any Gopher fans who are willing to project great expectations as imminent next season either.

Don said the fag thing to Hakstol. And no, the coaches didn't shake Hextalls hand.

I don't think it's any secret that Don Lucia and Dave Hakstol have philosophically different coaching styles and methodologies; and have at best a professional business relationship only. I also think they're too smart to not lend some degree of respect to each other in their respective roles despite their differences.

I tend to take a singular report of this nature with "a grain of salt" until confirmed through other sources. But if it is true, I think it reveals a few things about young Brett Hextall's lack of character and level of immaturity as a player and a person. Moreover, if he expects to advance his hockey career beyond college, he will need to correct his attitude or he will be shown the door...guaranteed. As a way of expressing disapproval for his disrespect to a coach, who incidently has seen and done more than perhaps Brett Hextall will ever in his lifetime, I think it was appropriate for the coaches to not shake hands with young Brett Hextall.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

I don't know why Don Lucia has had a run of unproductive years. He has recruited some highly-rated players and most have stayed around long enough to develop well. The best go early but everyone's best go early. Overall, I don't think the Gopher fan base or the program is all that bad (not that I will ever cheer you on) but Coach Lucia has definitely lost something that is quite essential to winning hockey games. He has all the wrong momentum and if, given the chance, he comes back for another season, I think he has only that season, next season, to finish in the top 3 and make it to a regional final in order to survive the Maturi axe.

Outwardly, the Gophers show little or no heart. They don't skate as hard as their opponents. They aren't mentally tough. They obviously have talent. It shows very prominently at times --- then vanishes. Would it change if Blais took over? I think so. But I think there is a better chance that Motzko or Sandelin would get the job.
SIM I agree with you. I also think that the coaching job at programs like UND and Minnesota has a shelf life . 7-10 years
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gophers 2009-2010: Calmly Step Away from the Ledge

If the Gophs could turn back the clock and get rid of Hill and keep Guentzel, most of their problems would have been reduced dramatically. Let's face it, the downfall seems to have started about the time John Hill arrived, no?
 
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