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Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
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MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
I just today heard that Doug Woog passed.
Condolences to Gopher fans and all of college hockey. I actually met him twice after his reign of 15 (?) years. He was very nice both times even knowing I was a Badgers fan. I liked the "Doug and the Rug" show; Woog tried to be less biased than Frank when they played WI on TV, but after all, it is a MN-based network.
RIP Doug.
I just today heard that Doug Woog passed.
Condolences to Gopher fans and all of college hockey. I actually met him twice after his reign of 15 (?) years. He was very nice both times even knowing I was a Badgers fan. I liked the "Doug and the Rug" show; Woog tried to be less biased than Frank when they played WI on TV, but after all, it is a MN-based network.
RIP Doug.
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/14/to...-american-captain-coach-doug-woog-dies-at-75/
Edit: Depending on what day it is, stories that show up here on USCHO can quickly move down to a point out of sight just due to things like a new poll, link to a podcast, etc...
https://www.uscho.com/2019/12/14/to...-american-captain-coach-doug-woog-dies-at-75/
Edit: Depending on what day it is, stories that show up here on USCHO can quickly move down to a point out of sight just due to things like a new poll, link to a podcast, etc...
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
https://theathletic.com/1474489/201...rs-hockey-south-st-paul-remembering-the-life/
Very nice free article groom Vegoe on The Wooger.
https://theathletic.com/1474489/201...rs-hockey-south-st-paul-remembering-the-life/
Very nice free article groom Vegoe on The Wooger.
trixR4kids
New member
Forgot to turn back to the game after the second and with until about six minutes left in the third. Clearly didn’t miss much during that time lol.
I agree, Bemidji is a decent defensive team but fifteen shots to that point is atrocious.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
Hopefully it includes a few select fans.
Hopefully it includes a few select fans.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
I actually thought that both those guys were objective. It was fun listen, even for an anti-Gopher.
He'll be missed. (Is Frank still working? I don't get that Fox channel any more.)
I actually thought that both those guys were objective. It was fun listen, even for an anti-Gopher.
He'll be missed. (Is Frank still working? I don't get that Fox channel any more.)
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state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Not on tv, but he still can be heard providing color for Gopher games on the radio.
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
Frank and Wally Shaver. They are entertaining, more homerish for sure, but fun to listen to.
Frank and Wally Shaver. They are entertaining, more homerish for sure, but fun to listen to.
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
A bit aggressive trix. I'd tried softening my views by stating in my earlier post this was not intended to be personal or condescending.
With regard to your statement, it spurred my curiosity because it doesn't seem to match what you stated earlier this year:
As a university professor with a PhD, I teach basic, multivariate and advanced statistics and research methods among other subjects. I've taught over 25 courses and it's impossible to not have studied the various forms of regression analysis if you've taken a multivariate stat course, which is by far the most widely used statistical tool in virtually every professional domain of science, sports, manufacturing and business.
I do stand by my statement that you have misunderstood the study I posted. However, I don't have any interest in pursuing this any further, especially discussing more in-depth stat matters here on USCHO.
A bit aggressive trix. I'd tried softening my views by stating in my earlier post this was not intended to be personal or condescending.
With regard to your statement, it spurred my curiosity because it doesn't seem to match what you stated earlier this year:As a university professor with a PhD, I teach basic, multivariate and advanced statistics and research methods among other subjects. I've taught over 25 courses and it's impossible to not have studied the various forms of regression analysis if you've taken a multivariate stat course, which is by far the most widely used statistical tool in virtually every professional domain of science, sports, manufacturing and business.
I do stand by my statement that you have misunderstood the study I posted. However, I don't have any interest in pursuing this any further, especially discussing more in-depth stat matters here on USCHO.
trixR4kids
New member
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Season 2019-2020: Motzko 2.0
The problem is we don't even know how that site is assigning its star ratings, one of the main bases for how the algorithm is rating the recruiting classes and the "study's" conclusion that the Gophers have had elite recruiting classes the last few years. They don't give a ton of info on how they assign that nor any real transparency as to the variables in the algorithm or the weights etc. This isn't terribly shocking for a pay site that wants to sell the idea that they have some comprehensive rating system (yet don't want people actually digging into the nuts and bolts) but there's no real reason to just assume these ratings (and thus the outputs of the algorithm) are accurate especially when we can see with our own eyes that they probably aren't. You seem to be just taking the outputs of the alorithm as gospel and coming to the conclusion that Motzko isn't coaching the team up because of the results of this "study" despite the fact that it clearly flies in the face of reality and we don't really even have that much info on the methodology. I'd also argue that the article even admits that it's overrating 18 year old NTDP players based on potential rather than current output, which isn't terribly useful when trying to evaluate the current talent level of the team. I think we can reasonably say that Ben Meyers is currently a better player than Reedy or McManus and yet that algorithm would probably come to the opposite conclusion (can't say for sure without paying).
I'd also point out that Casey Mittlestadt is no longer part of the team and he was partly the reason one of those classes was highly rated.
The problem is we don't even know how that site is assigning its star ratings, one of the main bases for how the algorithm is rating the recruiting classes and the "study's" conclusion that the Gophers have had elite recruiting classes the last few years. They don't give a ton of info on how they assign that nor any real transparency as to the variables in the algorithm or the weights etc. This isn't terribly shocking for a pay site that wants to sell the idea that they have some comprehensive rating system (yet don't want people actually digging into the nuts and bolts) but there's no real reason to just assume these ratings (and thus the outputs of the algorithm) are accurate especially when we can see with our own eyes that they probably aren't. You seem to be just taking the outputs of the alorithm as gospel and coming to the conclusion that Motzko isn't coaching the team up because of the results of this "study" despite the fact that it clearly flies in the face of reality and we don't really even have that much info on the methodology. I'd also argue that the article even admits that it's overrating 18 year old NTDP players based on potential rather than current output, which isn't terribly useful when trying to evaluate the current talent level of the team. I think we can reasonably say that Ben Meyers is currently a better player than Reedy or McManus and yet that algorithm would probably come to the opposite conclusion (can't say for sure without paying).
I'd also point out that Casey Mittlestadt is no longer part of the team and he was partly the reason one of those classes was highly rated.
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