Minnesota Cup

[scsutommyboy]

Re: Minnesota Cup

Ignoring how you belabor your point about Mankato opting out of home-and-homes, it doesn't seem to me like MavsFan is actually blaming the Gophers for it. Maybe s/he is and I'm misinterpreting something, but maybe MavsFan and others (like me) are equally as concerned about their own teams' athletic departments selling their teams out as they are about UMTC's willingness to exploit those ADs' scramble to keep playing the Gophers, seemingly at all cost. tUMD, SCSU, BSU and MSUM have athletic directors who are going along with this (so far) despite the colossal failure of a similar event.

as long as she is blaming the athletic department I agree. Its not the Gophers fault the MSUM athletic depart is pathetic.... This whole Tourney thing is a joke. If all the teams can't play every year there is no reason to have it. All it is going to turn into is a place for all the Gopher fans who can't get into Marriucci to go to to see their team play. It will never be split even seat wise for each school so it will never work.....

 

[JF_Gophers]

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as long as she is blaming the athletic department I agree. Its not the Gophers fault the MSUM athletic depart is pathetic.... This whole Tourney thing is a joke. If all the teams can't play every year there is no reason to have it. All it is going to turn into is a place for all the Gopher fans who can't get into Marriucci to go to to see their team play. It will never be split even seat wise for each school so it will never work.....

As far as revenue it doesn't have to be even splits of seats to work. There are more Gopher fans, that's not a bias, its a fact. So if they get them to fill the building, its a financial success. Meaning the other teams will want to keep doing it. $$$ is running the show.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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As far as revenue it doesn't have to be even splits of seats to work. There are more Gopher fans, that's not a bias, its a fact. So if they get them to fill the building, its a financial success. Meaning the other teams will want to keep doing it. $$$ is running the show.

I don't care about money. I get money runs the show and that is why they will do it for at least a few years, but it will just end up to be 90% gopher fans and that doesn't make it a great event.... Eventually teams like SCSU and UMD will pull out because their fans will be sick of it.

 

[JoeGopher]

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A couple of things I thought of after reading all of the posts on this thread...

1) The state of MN doesn't provide a single dime of money to the UofM's athletic department. It is self funded as of 3 years ago.
2) There is no "extra" Big Ten TV money that the U gets from Hockey. That money is already accounted for and is a big reason for #1 above.
3) I think the revenue sharing from the WCHA tourney is being over-stated. It is the sole revenue source for the league. It's used to pay all of their expenses for the year - think referee's, travel expenses, commissioner, etc...I'd be surprised if there is anything left over for the teams.
4) I imagine that UofM will continue to go to AA, or AF in the future, since it allows them two extra games every other year that don't count against overall totals.

As for the tourney, I like the idea and would buy tickets to see it every year. Especially since I won't be needing my WCHA FF tickets that I have had since the first year of the tourney.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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A couple of things I thought of after reading all of the posts on this thread...

1) The state of MN doesn't provide a single dime of money to the UofM's athletic department. It is self funded as of 3 years ago.
2) There is no "extra" Big Ten TV money that the U gets from Hockey. That money is already accounted for and is a big reason for #1 above.
3) I think the revenue sharing from the WCHA tourney is being over-stated. It is the sole revenue source for the league. It's used to pay all of their expenses for the year - think referee's, travel expenses, commissioner, etc...I'd be surprised if there is anything left over for the teams.
4) I imagine that UofM will continue to go to AA, or AF in the future, since it allows them two extra games every other year that don't count against overall totals.

As for the tourney, I like the idea and would buy tickets to see it every year. Especially since I won't be needing my WCHA FF tickets that I have had since the first year of the tourney.

3) You are dead wrong, WCHA schools currently get around a $100,000 check after all those expenses are paid for. Some years are obviously better than others based on number of first round series that go to 3 games and the capacity of the hosting arenas.

 

[goldy_331]

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Well RWD doesn't like the idea and tommyboy thinks it's dumb so let's just cancel the whole thing.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Well RWD doesn't like the idea and tommyboy thinks it's dumb so let's just cancel the whole thing.

SCSU and tUMD don't have to come. We can set up another GLI with Mankato, Bemidji, Minnesota and another invite.

I like the part where they still want Minnesota to come to their rinks though. The answer is no. Just like it is with UND. Cest la vie.

 

[dogs2012]

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Well RWD doesn't like the idea and tommyboy thinks it's dumb so let's just cancel the whole thing.

Did you ever stop to think that if EVERY other school's fanbase thinks it's a bad idea, that maybe your perception of it is clouding judgement?

 

[Bale]

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That's your athletic departments fault. I am sure they figured since they already had your money they would screw you over and leave the seats in the middle for the Gopher fans who paid a higher price than you paid. That doesn't surprise me since those same people backed out of a agreement they have with other teams as well. They must be a classy bunch.....

OK, I'm sorry, but get off of your high horse. They supposedly had a handshake deal to do home-and-homes for an indefinite period of time and lasted one rotation of home games given up. Local businesses got upset because they weren't benefiting from the civic center that was put up by local money (not state) and had to end the home-and-homes. Meanwhile, SCSU announces to the world that they are not going turn their back on MSU and the rest of the WCHA and are going to be a "leader" for the rest of the conference and then pull out "for the good of their school". I'm sorry, but SCSU in no way shape or form claim the high ground and that you are "classy". That was an agreement on a much larger scale than a single home game once a year.

 

[Dirty]

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SCSU and tUMD don't have to come. We can set up another GLI with Mankato, Bemidji, Minnesota and another invite.

I like the part where they still want Minnesota to come to their rinks though. The answer is no. Just like it is with UND. Cest la vie.

Minnesota is not as big of a deal as they like to think. Speaking for UND if Minnesota thinks it is above coming to Grand Forks, good riddance.

 

[JoeGopher]

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3) You are dead wrong, WCHA schools currently get around a $100,000 check after all those expenses are paid for. Some years are obviously better than others based on number of first round series that go to 3 games and the capacity of the hosting arenas.

Wow, not only wrong, but dead wrong, huh??? I'm pretty sure that first round revenue stays with the team. At least when the Gophers haven't hosted, or haven't needed the third game, I don't receive a refund from the WCHA...Of course it's possible that they hold the money for the WCHA and it goes from there. I mean, I have been Dead Wrong before...

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Here are my questions/concerns:
1) How many non-conference games does Minnesota want to use to play other Minnesota schools each year?
2) If this tournament ends up being Minnesota and a rotation of 3 of the other 4 Minnesota schools, does the left out school get a series with Minnesota? if so, where?
3) How is the revenue shared at the X, will there be an attempt to at least create sections that represent each school involved and will they be given good seats?

I think the best way this could go depending on Item 1 is the left out school does get a series with Minnesota. Item 1 is the big question though, would Minnesota commit 8 games to playing Minnesota schools? If so there could be some rotation as follows
Year 1: play Minnesota in tournament semifinal
Year 2: play in other tournament semifinal, play 2 games at Mariucci
Year 3: not play in tournament, host Gophers for 2 games
Year 4: play in other tournament semifinal, play 2 games at Mariucci

That is probably as good as SCSU, BSU, MSUM, UMD could hope for so who knows...

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Wow, not only wrong, but dead wrong, huh??? I'm pretty sure that first round revenue stays with the team. At least when the Gophers haven't hosted, or haven't needed the third game, I don't receive a refund from the WCHA...Of course it's possible that they hold the money for the WCHA and it goes from there. I mean, I have been Dead Wrong before...

All WCHA playoff $$$ goes into one pot including first round series ticket revenue (after expenses).

 

[goldy_331]

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Did you ever stop to think that if EVERY other school's fanbase thinks it's a bad idea, that maybe your perception of it is clouding judgement?

So RWD is the appointed rep of the Dogs' fanbase and tommyboy is the rep of the Huskies'? I see plenty of other fans posting in this thread who like the idea and apparently the ADs like it. I think it'd be fun, but it's not a huge deal to me either way. Just like I don't give a rip if the Gophers ever go to Grand Forks again, or not.

 

[dogs2012]

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So RWD is the appointed rep of the Dogs' fanbase and tommyboy is the rep of the Huskies'? I see plenty of other fans posting in this thread who like the idea and apparently the ADs like it. I think it'd be fun, but it's not a huge deal to me either way. Just like I don't give a rip if the Gophers ever go to Grand Forks again, or not.

Well I believe Tommyboy and RWD are informed enough to have an educated opinion on the situation, therefore I believe they are in fact pretty good representation of the fanbases. We would like the Gophers to come up to Duluth from time to time. This tourney successfully squashes that. Revenue for the city is lost. That's why people think it's a bad idea. You don't see it, because it doesn't affect you the same way it does the rest of the fanbases.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Well I believe Tommyboy and RWD are informed enough to have an educated opinion on the situation, therefore I believe they are in fact pretty good representation of the fanbases. We would like the Gophers to come up to Duluth from time to time. This tourney successfully squashes that. Revenue for the city is lost. That's why people think it's a bad idea. You don't see it, because it doesn't affect you the same way it does the rest of the fanbases.

At best you would get Minnesota into your rink once every 4 years. That's if and only if they use 2 of their 4 non-conference road games for in-state schools. Welcome to big time college ice hockey. Time to fly on your own.

 

[goldy_331]

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Well I believe Tommyboy and RWD are informed enough to have an educated opinion on the situation, therefore I believe they are in fact pretty good representation of the fanbases. We would like the Gophers to come up to Duluth from time to time. This tourney successfully squashes that. Revenue for the city is lost. That's why people think it's a bad idea. You don't see it, because it doesn't affect you the same way it does the rest of the fanbases.

I see it, but well, that ain't happening, so get over it. Welcome to the new world of college hockey. You may not like it, but you'll have to learn to live with it.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Here are my questions/concerns:
1) How many non-conference games does Minnesota want to use to play other Minnesota schools each year?
2) If this tournament ends up being Minnesota and a rotation of 3 of the other 4 Minnesota schools, does the left out school get a series with Minnesota? if so, where?
3) How is the revenue shared at the X, will there be an attempt to at least create sections that represent each school involved and will they be given good seats?

I think the best way this could go depending on Item 1 is the left out school does get a series with Minnesota. Item 1 is the big question though, would Minnesota commit 8 games to playing Minnesota schools? If so there could be some rotation as follows
Year 1: play Minnesota in tournament semifinal
Year 2: play in other tournament semifinal, play 2 games at Mariucci
Year 3: not play in tournament, host Gophers for 2 games
Year 4: play in other tournament semifinal, play 2 games at Mariucci

That is probably as good as SCSU, BSU, MSUM, UMD could hope for so who knows...

I believe Minnesota will be willing to commit at most two home non-conference games at the X, two road non-conference games within Minnesota, and any home non-confere games at Mariucci.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Well I believe Tommyboy and RWD are informed enough to have an educated opinion on the situation, therefore I believe they are in fact pretty good representation of the fanbases. We would like the Gophers to come up to Duluth from time to time. This tourney successfully squashes that. Revenue for the city is lost. That's why people think it's a bad idea. You don't see it, because it doesn't affect you the same way it does the rest of the fanbases.

Minnesota will still come to Duluth from time to time, but it won't be nearly as often. And that won't change regardless of whether or not this tournament happens.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I believe Minnesota will be willing to commit at most two home non-conference games at the X, two road non-conference games within Minnesota, and any home non-confere games at Mariucci.

That's pretty much what I've outlined, depending on whether years 2 and 4 are the same or only involve 1 trip to Mariucci.