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Minnesota at Notre Dame 11/8 & 11/9

Re: Minnesota at Notre Dame 11/8 & 11/9

HarleyMC said:
Who's claiming the ND national brand has any large and immediate effect on the Gopher hockey program? The only poster who has made any such remark is YOU.:D
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Now THIS is funny. YOU personally talked about this in THIS very thread.

HarleyMC said:
Why is playing them important? From a growth perspective, their recognizable brand resonates with the casual fan, attracts new fans, and helps promote college hockey's long term growth. That's all good for a niche sport like college hockey that typically gets a cameo appearance once a year on Sportscenter. I'd be interested to see your short list of schools "in your state" that have greater iconic brand name recognition than ND.
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Sounds an awful lot to me like you think Notre Dame's "brand" can do us an awful lot. After all, that's why you think WE should play them. You said it yourself. Tell me Harley, Notre Dame has had a hockey program for DECADES. Why hasn't their "brand name" done more for college hockey up to this point???? What has Notre Dame's "brand name" done for Gopher Hockey?? We have more and better National TV visibility. We have higher attendance. We have a larger hockey following.

Like I said in the piece I wrote, I am absolutely in favor of playing Notre Dame in hockey right now. They are currently a good program and have a good team and I want to see the Gophers play good teams. But if Notre Dame were to fire Jeff Jackson and slip back to the mediocre program they have been for much of their existence, I guarantee you their attractiveness as an opponent would GREATLY diminish. In other words, their "brand name" doesn't mean crap in college hockey.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Now THIS is funny. YOU personally talked about this in THIS very thread.

Sounds an awful lot to me like you think Notre Dame's "brand" can do us an awful lot. After all, that's why you think WE should play them. You said it yourself. Tell me Harley, Notre Dame has had a hockey program for DECADES. Why hasn't their "brand name" done more for college hockey up to this point???? What has Notre Dame's "brand name" done for Gopher Hockey?? We have more and better National TV visibility. We have higher attendance. We have a larger hockey following.

Like I said in the piece I wrote, I am absolutely in favor of playing Notre Dame in hockey right now. They are currently a good program and have a good team and I want to see the Gophers play good teams. But if Notre Dame were to fire Jeff Jackson and slip back to the mediocre program they have been for much of their existence, I guarantee you their attractiveness as an opponent would GREATLY diminish. In other words, their "brand name" doesn't mean crap in college hockey.
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Better reread it again. Did you see anything about ND's direct influence on Gopher hockey there? I was clearly referring to the long term growth of college hockey in the context of its current status as a niche sport, NOT any large or immediate effect on the Gopher hockey program. The only poster that mentioned anything about the ND's brand effect or non-effect directly on Gopher hockey in this thread was you, and no one else. And then you took it to another level and act like this sentiment is pandemic among posters on this board and big news.:D I honestly wonder whether you understand the concept of branding, its effects, what specific social sectors are affected and why. Their brand name doesn't mean crap in college hockey? There are a host of college hockey coaches that disagree with you. This may HELP.
 
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HarleyMC said:
Better reread it again. Did you see anything about ND's direct influence on Gopher hockey there? I was clearly referring to the long term growth of college hockey in the context of its current status as a niche sport, NOT any large or immediate effect on the Gopher hockey program. The only poster that mentioned anything about the ND's brand effect or non-effect directly on Gopher hockey in this thread was you, and no one else. And then you took it to another level and act like this sentiment is pandemic among posters on this board and big news.:D I honestly wonder whether you understand the concept of branding, its effects, what specific social sectors are affected and why. Their brand name doesn't mean crap in college hockey? There are a host of college hockey coaches that disagree with you. This may HELP.
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The discussion was about whether or not the Gophers should be playing Notre Dame. Your reasoning for playing them was their "national brand". If their "national brand" doesn't help Gopher hockey, why did you list it as a reason we should be playing them??? Or are you now going to switch back and say playing them does help us???

Notre Dame has had a program for decades and that program has had minimal if any impact on the growth of college hockey. It has had no impact on Gopher Hockey's growth.

I'm not going to play games. You said no one was talking about it but me, which was clearly wrong (which makes me wonder if even you know what you're saying half the time) . You're entitled to your opinion on the subject, I just whole heartedly disagree with you.

Time to move on.
 
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Re: Minnesota at Notre Dame 11/8 & 11/9

mnstate0fhockey said:
The discussion was about whether or not the Gophers should be playing Notre Dame. Your reasoning for playing them was their "national brand". If their "national brand" doesn't help Gopher hockey, why did you list it as a reason we should be playing them??? Or are you now going to switch back and say playing them does help us???

Notre Dame has had a program for decades and that program has had minimal if any impact on the growth of college hockey. It has had no impact on Gopher Hockey's growth.

I'm not going to play games. You said no one was talking about it but me, which was clearly wrong (which makes me wonder if even you know what you're saying half the time) . You're entitled to your opinion on the subject, I just whole heartedly disagree with you.

Time to move on.
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Wow...you're more dense than I anticipated. For this last time, reread the post...for the overall growth of college hockey. Show me the posts of others who were discussing the immediate effect of the ND brand on Gopher hockey? Let's see them.
 
HarleyMC said:
Wow...you're more dense than I anticipated. For this last time, reread the post...for the overall growth of college hockey. Show me the posts of others who were discussing the immediate effect of the ND brand on Gopher hockey? Let's see them.
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Perhaps it is you that needs to go back and re-read the discussion to gain better context. The entire discussion originated and centered around whether or not the Gophers should play Notre Dame.

Your response began with "Why is playing them important?" Then you start rambling on about "name recognition" and "national brand".

To me, this would seem to indicate that you feel as though it is important for the Gophers to play Notre Dame because of their "national brand".

Otherwise, how are your original comments even pertinent to the discussion? If Notre Dame's "national brand" is so helpful for the growth of college hockey, you'd think it would be helpful with or without having to play the Gophers? Or are you contesting that their "national brand" is only beneficial to the growth of college hockey when they're playing Minnesota?

I don't know or care what point you were trying to make, but it appears as though it was either completely irrelevant to the discussion or completely off-base. You decide.
 
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Here is the post that started the whole discussion.

5mn_Major said:
I'll be honest, I have no need for us to play Notre Dame. Jackson has touted a big strategy to focus on Minnesota. But overall the school has made its decision to look east...I see no need to give them a great relationship with our state as well. And in a rare side note, we won't even have our Saturday game televised because of the series.
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Please tell me, how is Notre Dame's "national brand" relevant to whether or not THE GOPHERS should play them in hockey (which aids them in recruiting in MN) because they won't play us in football? That was the reasoning in 5MN's post.

Not saying I necessarily agree that we shouldn't play them, but their "national brand" certainly doesn't factor ANYWHERE into my thought process when deciding whether or not the GOPHERS should be playing Notre Dame in HOCKEY.

This discussion is old and tired. Think what you want Harley.
 
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Re: Minnesota at Notre Dame 11/8 & 11/9

goldy_331 said:
I disagree. It is way past time to move on. ;)
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I disagree with your disagreement. This should go on all season. Except that occasionally a goferfan says something sensible and agreeing with them makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Beyond that, it's a riot!
 
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I think this thread has more posts after the series than before and during...USCHO, love it! :)


Edit: And now I just added to it.
 
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Still haven't heard who the Gophers should have scheduled in place of ND that would provide a better pro vs con result. Perhaps think about the supposed cons thrown around with ND before answering. :)
 
Slap Shot said:
Still haven't heard who the Gophers should have scheduled in place of ND that would provide a better pro vs con result. Perhaps think about the supposed cons thrown around with ND before answering. :)
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I have no problem with scheduling Notre Dame as long as they stay as competitive as they are now. They are a team with an interlocking logo that doesn't jump our players in the handshake line :p:)
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
I have no problem with scheduling Notre Dame as long as they stay as competitive as they are now. They are a team with an interlocking logo that doesn't jump our players in the handshake line :p:)
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Then Minnesota playing Notre Dame will help them stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive... :p
 
candycanes99 said:
Then Minnesota playing Notre Dame will help them stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive so that Minnesota will want to play them which will help Notre Dame stay competitive... :p
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:p

Notre Dame became competitive without Minnesota's help. I think they will be fine either way:)
 
Re: Minnesota at Notre Dame 11/8 & 11/9

Slap Shot said:
Still haven't heard who the Gophers should have scheduled in place of ND that would provide a better pro vs con result. Perhaps think about the supposed cons thrown around with ND before answering. :)
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I'd like to see BU, DU, Northern Michigan, CC, UNO, UNH, Miami and even schools like Tech (which a surprisingly large number of posters on GPL said was their #2 school). Schools with which we actually have some history. So, why not spread it around? If we get 6 or more games against a school, why not make it schools with a hot rivalry like North Dakota or schools with a dynasty like BC?

Now to get someone to take the other side...why is Notre Dame so special to get rabid defense from posters supporting 8 games in 4 years?
 
Wisko McBadgerton said:
Seriously, you guys need a better memo system over there. Everyone has thoroughly agreed it's because of Notre Dame's National Brand.
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Funny you say that because I actually do think Notre Dame's "national brand" it created with football could possibly get some butts in the seats in the Kohl Center. Perhaps Eaves should be giving Jackson a call. NBCSN's crappy stream would certainly be better than the no TV gig you guys got going too. ;)
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Funny you say that because I actually do think Notre Dame's "national brand" it created with football could possibly get some butts in the seats in the Kohl Center. Perhaps Eaves should be giving Jackson a call. NBCSN's crappy stream would certainly be better than the no TV gig you guys got going too. ;)
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Wisconsin leads the league in the percentage of empty seats.
 
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You guys are pretty fond of this tack lately but I don't think you have any idea what you're on about. You're comparing being the only premier winter college sport in a population of 3.5 million to being one of two premier winter college sports in an urban area of 320,000. UW Bouncyball leads the B1G in attendance and is seventh in the nation drawing 5k more a night then gofers bb. Hockey is competing for consumer dollars against that in a market that is less than 1/10 the size of the twin cities. Sure, attendance is down from our 30+ years of being #1 in college hockey, but it's not so simple as people want to make it out to be. Look at attendance per capita and your program isn't even in the same stratosphere as UW or UND.
 
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