Michigan Hockey 2020-2021 Yost town feels like a ghost town

[Hockeybuckeye]

ok, but if there was a better response from the government who could afford it, the shut downs would have been compensated for- and we would have had a win-win for everyone. Instead, we are all forced to go on our own, with almost no resources. Having seen the response to no shut down, I far prefer what we have. BTW, the MI Supreme Court judgement was that the emergency power time ran out, not that they were invalid. Which is why they were in place for an additional 21 days post judgement.

In terms of the athletics shutting down- it's a game. They all get to go to school on their scholarships, earn their degrees, and the good ones have been noted enough that they will still go pro. Missing two weeks isn't going to be a big deal. Heck, given the total lack of income from ticket sales, this saves money.

Just to add to my summary that a total shutdown was not needed or warranted here's the student athlete's take on it. Also here on USCHO read the story about what Mel said about it as well.

https://www.michigandaily.com/sectio...eir-grievances

 

[MichVandal]

Just to add to my summary that a total shutdown was not needed or warranted here's the student athlete's take on it. Also here on USCHO read the story about what Mel said about it as well.

https://www.michigandaily.com/sectio...eir-grievances

It is what it is, and the athletes need to move on. It's not as if they are losing anything. Other than playing a game. They still get all of the benefits of being a student athlete, and have the same opportunities. And it's not as if the seasons has been canceled.

Forgive me for giving the benefit of the doubt to doctors as opposed to athletes.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

It is what it is, and the athletes need to move on. It's not as if they are losing anything. Other than playing a game. They still get all of the benefits of being a student athlete, and have the same opportunities. And it's not as if the seasons has been canceled.

Forgive me for giving the benefit of the doubt to doctors as opposed to athletes.

What doctors? The B1G conference has the strictest Covid protocols in all of college athletics. Every member school has medical centers that are cutting edge in medicine in this country and whose doctors have contributed to the rules the conference follows and monitor and work with the CDC on a daily basis and you are implying the Michigan Department of Health is a source of greater knowledge on the subject?
I'm not trying to be insulting to you but I'm pretty certain the current protocols were more than adequate.

 

[MichVandal]

What doctors? The B1G conference has the strictest Covid protocols in all of college athletics. Every member school has medical centers that are cutting edge in medicine in this country and whose doctors have contributed to the rules the conference follows and monitor and work with the CDC on a daily basis and you are implying the Michigan Department of Health is a source of greater knowledge on the subject?
I'm not trying to be insulting to you but I'm pretty certain the current protocols were more than adequate.

Michigan Dept of Heath has more info than the athletes (and there are Doctors as part of the Dept of Health). If Ward Manuel had better info to say that this should have been held off, then he should have done more. What we don't know is who are the infected people and how much coverage did they have within the athletic department. That's the part that got the whole thing shut down. I'm pretty sure the the athletes don't know that, either. And thanks to HIPPA laws, that will never come out.

Ward Manuel probably does, since he had to have been presented with the data to shut down for 2 week- or at least a list of people who could have spread it.

When combining the data that this new strain spreads considerably quicker, and there's a tiny window to prevent it from spreading- this move makes sense to me. Especially when looking at the losses- which are some games and the ONE cross country event all year for the B1G.

BTW, given how there's still a hangover of the CDC from the previous administration, yes, for now, I do put more trust in the Michigan Department of Health. Especially when they are directly involved.

 

[net presence]

Michigan Dept of Heath has more info than the athletes (and there are Doctors as part of the Dept of Health). If Ward Manuel had better info to say that this should have been held off, then he should have done more. What we don't know is who are the infected people and how much coverage did they have within the athletic department. That's the part that got the whole thing shut down. I'm pretty sure the the athletes don't know that, either. And thanks to HIPPA laws, that will never come out.

Ward Manuel probably does, since he had to have been presented with the data to shut down for 2 week- or at least a list of people who could have spread it.

When combining the data that this new strain spreads considerably quicker, and there's a tiny window to prevent it from spreading- this move makes sense to me. Especially when looking at the losses- which are some games and the ONE cross country event all year for the B1G.

BTW, given how there's still a hangover of the CDC from the previous administration, yes, for now, I do put more trust in the Michigan Department of Health. Especially when they are directly involved.

The CDC says that the U.K. strain is between 30% and 70% more infectious than the original strain. That's a significant difference and, it caused major hospital bed availability issues in England when it really took off right before Christmas. Michael Osterholm is a weekly guest on a very popular talk-radio show in the Twin Cities and, two Thursdays ago he predicted that the U.K. strain would become the dominant strain within 4-6 weeks. And, that would cause Minnesota's daily case numbers to rise to possibly double what they were when we paused all youth and high school sports on Nov. 18 -- about 6,000 per day then so, between 10K and 12K with the new strain. Sorry Hockey buckeye but, science isn't on your side in this specific debate.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

Michigan Dept. of Heath has more info than the athletes (and there are Doctors as part of the Dept of Health)

Only part of my previous post was concerning how the athletes feel about this, did you overlook the part how the combined medical centers of the B1G far exceed the Michigan Dept. of health in knowledge, experience and expertise? And did you also know that even with the new strain the CDC guidelines do not go as far as what the Health Dept. has forced upon you?
My whole point is no other knowledgeable medical authority says what happened at Michigan was warranted.

 

[MichVandal]

Only part of my previous post was concerning how the athletes feel about this, did you overlook the part how the combined medical centers of the B1G far exceed the Michigan Dept. of health in knowledge, experience and expertise? And did you also know that even with the new strain the CDC guidelines do not go as far as what the Health Dept. has forced upon you?
My whole point is no other knowledgeable medical authority says what happened at Michigan was warranted.

Did they all say they have the contact tracing info? That's the part that is the real open question.

Local news is telling people if you were at X or Y store between A and B times, you should go get tested. This is far more reaching than normal exposure. For the nominal strain, the nominal process may be correct. This is the new strand, and contact tracing is why the whole thing got shut down.

Again, the gain vs. loss makes this a lot easier than just whining about it. It's not a cancelation, it's two weeks with a finite number of events missed. The only group that fully misses out is cross country, since the ONE event for the entire season is during the shut down. Nobody is losing jobs, or companies being shut down permanently- games are being missed- and that's it.

That vs. the spread potential based on the contact tracing, well... I really don't understand why people are so whiny about it.

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

Considering we in the community know that a person with the new variant was at the grocery store and the mall, it is possible that if this individual is a student athlete they also used common resources/buildings on campus. I don't know if the academic center is open for the student athletes that are on campus, but if it is, that is a possible reason for wanting other athletes to quarantine.

The Daily article said that as of Saturday night there were 5 known cases and 15 presumed cases of the B.1.1.7 variant in the athletic department. Sounds like it is already spreading.

I get the student athlete frustration, and the point they brought up which is, this variant is here now, making the student athletes quarantine for 2 weeks may slow it, but it's going to spread, and then what do you do in 2 weeks when it's growing in the rest of the community? However, I'm with MichVandal on this, it's a handful of sporting events, those aren't worth risking someone's life over.

I'll also defend Michigan's governor and her orders, because I can see the dates those orders went into effect are reflected in the data I've gathered on Michigan throughout this pandemic. I'm appreciative of her trying to keep as many of us alive as possible, but I also haven't had any significant financial impact from the pandemic which I know isn't true for everyone.

Sad we aren't going to watch hockey tonight, but college hockey shouldn't be played on a Wednesday anyway.

 

[MichVandal]

To add to the information, students are being told to shelter in place. Not just athletes, all students. Until Feb 8.

 

[GhostOfYost]

What doctors? The B1G conference has the strictest Covid protocols in all of college athletics. Every member school has medical centers that are cutting edge in medicine in this country and whose doctors have contributed to the rules the conference follows and monitor and work with the CDC on a daily basis and you are implying the Michigan Department of Health is a source of greater knowledge on the subject?
I'm not trying to be insulting to you but I'm pretty certain the current protocols were more than adequate.

Dude, it was President Schlissel NOT Whitmer. Get your facts straight, and remember QAnon isn't real....

 

[JoeZ]

Apparently this was not mandated by the school or conference but under Michigan's insane governor's directives through the health dept.

Uh, no.
This WAS direct from Schlissel. There was a comment issued by the U saying the Governor's office and MDHHS had nothing to do with it.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

Uh, no.
This WAS direct from Schlissel. There was a comment issued by the U saying the Governor's office and MDHHS had nothing to do with it.

Then I stand corrected and will make a more factual statement, he's as big a moron as Ohio State's recent string of President's.

 

[JoeZ]

I was worried about the 3 week layoff but that 2nd period was something to behold.

 

[MichVandal]

I was worried about the 3 week layoff but that 2nd period was something to behold.

No kidding. Pretty nice to have that happen.

Also, it was nice to see the 25th anniversary to the '96 team on MGOBLUE. Good memories- we avoided going to EL for the Semi's based on what happened a few years before, and didn't think to go to the Semi on Thursday. That was the time you could get tickets on site, which we did among thousands of other fans coming down from Ann Arbor.

For some reason, coming back, we went to Yost instead of home, and didn't wait long for the team busses to arrive. Pretty awesome.

 

[JoeZ]

Also, it was nice to see the 25th anniversary to the '96 team on MGOBLUE. Good memories- we avoided going to EL for the Semi's based on what happened a few years before, and didn't think to go to the Semi on Thursday. That was the time you could get tickets on site, which we did among thousands of other fans coming down from Ann Arbor.

I had confidence and got my tix as soon as they went on sale. Had some great seats.

 

[D2D]

I have a feeling that the B1G "irregular season" title will come down to you guys and our Gophers.

 

[Timothy A]

I can't understand how your team can't get the yellow in the helmet to match the yellow in the jerseys. I do say I did like the look today. Pretty sharp.

 

[MichVandal]

I have a feeling that the B1G "irregular season" title will come down to you guys and our Gophers.

The scoring seems to be very dependent on the other goalie- they can almost score at will on some, but once a team changes- the goals dry up. We will see...

 

[JoeZ]

I have a feeling that the B1G "irregular season" title will come down to you guys and our Gophers.

REALLY?!?!?!
I see the Badgers and Gophers battling it out for the #1 seed in the conference tourney.

11 points is a lot to make up to catch the Badgers, especially considering the remaining games.
2 in Madison v Notre Dame
2 in Madison v OSU
2 in East Landfill

As opposed to
2 in Columbus
2 in Ann Arbor v Ariz. St.
2 in Minneapolis

As for making up those 11 points I don't see any way especially considering there are only 12 available considering those 2 against Ariz. St. are not conference games. The Wolverines would have to win out and the Badgers lose all. If anything I can see the opposite happening as much more likely but the badgers don't need to sweep. One win among the final 6 games puts them and the Gophers on home ice for the B1G tourney.

 

[GhostOfYost]

REALLY?!?!?!
I see the Badgers and Gophers battling it out for the #1 seed in the conference tourney.

11 points is a lot to make up to catch the Badgers, especially considering the remaining games.
2 in Madison v Notre Dame
2 in Madison v OSU
2 in East Landfill

As opposed to
2 in Columbus
2 in Ann Arbor v Ariz. St.
2 in Minneapolis

As for making up those 11 points I don't see any way especially considering there are only 12 available considering those 2 against Ariz. St. are not conference games. The Wolverines would have to win out and the Badgers lose all. If anything I can see the opposite happening as much more likely but the badgers don't need to sweep. One win among the final 6 games puts them and the Gophers on home ice for the B1G tourney.

Don't forget, we still have the possibility of making up three games that were postponed due to the pause. 2 with Penn State and 1 with sparty, all games at Yost. The single sparty game will be easy to make up. The 2 with Penn State is a little more challenging.