Michigan Hockey 2010 - Delivery or Take Out?

[kjaskolski]

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What will I remember about this team? Not the losses. Not the ill-timed penalties. Not the lack of consistency. I'll remember this team for who they truly turned out to be: a great bunch of players, and most importantly, a great group of characters. The seniors will be sorely missed, but I look forward to what promises to be an outstanding season next year.

It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.

KC, I could quote your entire post, but no need, you last two paragraphs say it all. What a turnaround this year. I know that I went to most of the regular season home games, and was at ALL The playoff games, from Superior to State, to the Joe, to Ft Wayne, and I could not be prouder to be a Michigan Hockey fan than I am now.

 

[wooderson]

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WT I think you hit the nail on the head. If you look at Miami's second goal the ref was right on top of the play, pretty much draped over the back of the net. On our disallowed goal he didn't change his position at all after Hagelin centered it, so he had the wrong angle to see that the puck wasn't covered. Granted it was a very quick play, but he still should have been in much better position. Could fatigue have been the reason he wasn't? Anyway both play definitely gives me bad flashbacks to 2003 against the Gophers, who was the Michigan player who got his goal disallowed again in that game? I've been trying to remember all day.

I figured going into the game that if we lost it wouldn't hurt as much as past NCAA tournament losses have, but I underestimated the cruelty of whatever evil 2009-10 curse Michigan is under. Well played, '09-10, well played. In about a week or so I'll be able to look back fondly on this amazing run, and Hunwick (fantastic again tonight), and everything else. But right now...yeah it feels pretty much like it always does after an NCAA tournament loss. Which I guess really sums up what the guys accomplished in the last few weeks, I went from barely caring if we lost in the 1st round to LSSU to being crushed that we didn't win the national championship.

 

[umichjim]

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"Anyway both play definitely gives me bad flashbacks to 2003 against the Gophers, who was the Michigan player who got his goal disallowed again in that game? I've been trying to remember all day."

That goal popped into my head as soon as Lynch's was waived off. I am pretty sure it was Jason Ryznar. I was sitting right behind the net and heard the whistle go just as his shot crossed the goal line. Man, those hurt especially in the tournament.

 

[IrishHockeyFan]

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Must spred rep....

Nicely written.

Hopefully by this weekend, both in our houshold will feel the same.

Got him for ya! Take half the credit. And I agree. Very nicely written. No matter how the season ended, the team gave you guys a lot to remember the last few weeks. Sorry it ended sooner than you wanted it to.

Have a great spring and summer UM people. To who it applies, go Wings! Go Tigers! Go away Lions! Can't wait for October. It'll be here soon enough.

and good luck with the Posters Game alfa. Nice job securing a great spot for it. Have fun all!

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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ANY touching of the puck by a Miami player would have resulted in a whistle; there was a delayed penalty on them. People keep harping on whether the puck was covered up or not; that wasn't the issue. It didn't NEED to be covered up for the whistle to blow, only touched by a Miami player (which it obviously was).

In order for play to be whistled dead a Miami played must "control" the puck, not just touch it.

 

[Caustic Undertow]

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This will make two posts for the season. And that will be it.

Win, lose, succeed, or stink, it is always great to be a Michigan fan. It is the crushing disappointments that make the mountaintops so sweet. '97 was great, but even better because of Stewart-to-Westbrook. '96 was great, but even better because of 95 and 94 and 93. This season's run was great, because of... well, the first three quarters of this season.

That said, Sunday night was a brutal way for it to end. It is not that Michigan lost; we all knew we could get beat by a better team and it would be worth it after what happened this year. It is not just that a win would bring Michigan to a dream Frozen Four in our backyard, something I have dreamed about literally from the moment this Frozen Four was announced (I, unlike most, have been in favor of the idea, and actually advocated it in a thread before the CCHA proposed it).

What is so brutal is the way that we lost. I could handle getting beat by the better team, but were they? Not exactly...

2003 is a good analogy. Being soooo close (Ryznar, who dominated that entire tournament, had a different shot that was stopped only by Paul Martin's glove, that would have won it). Playing so well. And, in my current thinking, being good enough that if Michigan just gets the win they are good enough to win the whole thing. In 2003 there was no question that the two best teams in the country were playing on that ice; at least then it was at the Frozen Four and I could reluctantly accept that Minnesota was a deserving victor. This season Miami, while good and certainly not at fault for officiating, by all rights should have lost.

If this had been like 2004, where we took BC to overtime but were clearly the inferior team, it would be easier. If it were like 2005, where we choked a 3 goal lead but had no real chance against Denver, it would be easier. Alas, a Michigan team in Detroit playing like this? A tenth banner could not have been closer.

Brutal.

However, if you gave me the choice of having the season end in East Lansing and having it end here? Take it every time. Losing stinks--but irrelevance stinks much worse. We watch sports because we want to care. We want to be excited. We want victory, but that victory is most satisfying when accompanied by the threat of defeat. And to root for a team that fights so valiantly, succeeds so improbably, progresses so dramatically, gives its absolute best, and comes up short?

That's what we signed up for. Someday we will speak fondly of this team, the way we speak fondly of that great '97 team or the incredible regionals in '02 and '03, the way we remember Porter and Knuble and Wiseman. Fond memories, memories worth revisiting, memories worth coming back to.

And some day we will see that tenth title, and remember, and rejoice.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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One question for you rule-book aficionados:

What's with not switching ends for overtime? Michigan had the long change for all but the 2nd period.

I noticed that too and I am also curious also. However, I do disagree with the long change part. You were there so you should have noticed that the benches were on opposite sides of the ice (like spartys).

 

[Back check]

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I have read that Michigan has been recruiting goalies Vienneau (Kingston-OJHL) and Summerhays (Green Bay-USHL). Summerhays signed with Notre Dame. Any word on Vienneau?

 

[M-HockeyNet]

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Not sure I heard much about Summerhayes being recruited by Michigan, though he certainly intrigued me. Top goalie in the USHL statistically...heck, with a 30-2-3 record in net, that's pretty impressive.

But I think you're thinking of the other USHL goalie, Jeff Teglia, whose name got brought up in an article not too long ago along with Vienneau about being looked at by Michigan. Teglia just committed to UMass, so he's off the board, too.

After the way Hunwick played during the playoff run, I'm not sure what the coaching staff is going to do now. Do we ride Hogan/Hunwick another season and focus on a goalie for 2011? Try to recruit a goalie like Vienneau for 2010 while focusing on another top goalie recruit?

Bob Miller of Rivals hinted Michigan's top target right now is Dalton Izyk for 2012. Hogan is a senior next year, which means there's a one year gap between him graduating and Izyk (or any other 2012 goalie) arriving that would leave us with just Hunwick and Summers in net. So be it this year or next, they need to find a goalie somewhere.

I prefer them taking a flier on a goalie this year to create a two year gap to give that kid a chance. If Michigan is targeting a top 2012 goalie, it could be hard to find a suitable 2011 goalie recruit, who might look at it as they're coming in for a year then expected to be replaced by whatever top 2012 goalie they recruit and that's not worth it.

 

[Back check]

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Not sure I heard much about Summerhayes being recruited by Michigan, though he certainly intrigued me. Top goalie in the USHL statistically...heck, with a 30-2-3 record in net, that's pretty impressive.

But I think you're thinking of the other USHL goalie, Jeff Teglia, whose name got brought up in an article not too long ago along with Vienneau about being looked at by Michigan. Teglia just committed to UMass, so he's off the board, too.

After the way Hunwick played during the playoff run, I'm not sure what the coaching staff is going to do now. Do we ride Hogan/Hunwick another season and focus on a goalie for 2011? Try to recruit a goalie like Vienneau for 2010 while focusing on another top goalie recruit?

Bob Miller of Rivals hinted Michigan's top target right now is Dalton Izyk for 2012. Hogan is a senior next year, which means there's a one year gap between him graduating and Izyk (or any other 2012 goalie) arriving that would leave us with just Hunwick and Summers in net. So be it this year or next, they need to find a goalie somewhere.

I prefer them taking a flier on a goalie this year to create a two year gap to give that kid a chance. If Michigan is targeting a top 2012 goalie, it could be hard to find a suitable 2011 goalie recruit, who might look at it as they're coming in for a year then expected to be replaced by whatever top 2012 goalie they recruit and that's not worth it.

Thanks for the info. I was not thinking of Teglia. It was reported that Summerhays was being recruited by Michigan.

 

[redwings8831]

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Not sure I heard much about Summerhayes being recruited by Michigan, though he certainly intrigued me. Top goalie in the USHL statistically...heck, with a 30-2-3 record in net, that's pretty impressive.

But I think you're thinking of the other USHL goalie, Jeff Teglia, whose name got brought up in an article not too long ago along with Vienneau about being looked at by Michigan. Teglia just committed to UMass, so he's off the board, too.

After the way Hunwick played during the playoff run, I'm not sure what the coaching staff is going to do now. Do we ride Hogan/Hunwick another season and focus on a goalie for 2011? Try to recruit a goalie like Vienneau for 2010 while focusing on another top goalie recruit?

Bob Miller of Rivals hinted Michigan's top target right now is Dalton Izyk for 2012. Hogan is a senior next year, which means there's a one year gap between him graduating and Izyk (or any other 2012 goalie) arriving that would leave us with just Hunwick and Summers in net. So be it this year or next, they need to find a goalie somewhere.

I prefer them taking a flier on a goalie this year to create a two year gap to give that kid a chance. If Michigan is targeting a top 2012 goalie, it could be hard to find a suitable 2011 goalie recruit, who might look at it as they're coming in for a year then expected to be replaced by whatever top 2012 goalie they recruit and that's not worth it.

Isn't Hunwick a senior next year as well? We have to bring one (or two) in for the following season, because by then it will be just Summers.

 

[M-HockeyNet]

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Isn't Hunwick a senior next year as well? We have to bring one (or two) in for the following season, because by then it will be just Summers.

Yes, he is. So right now after next season we got Patrick Summers

 

[STATEdude3]

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Ok guys...I know my type of people are not welcome around here so I'm going to make it short and sweet and GTFO.

I hate your program with every ounce of my being. However my father is a good friend of Coach Berenson and therefore I have been raised to respect your program. I admire the great resiliency that your team showed in the last month of the season...even when you guys kicked me in the stomach at Munn a couple weeks ago.

So let me just say congrats on a salvaged season and winning in the face of adversity...something my program hasn't been able to do.

Best of luck in the future, but not too much...

 

[KC8NIY]

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Ok guys...I know my type of people are not welcome around here so I'm going to make it short and sweet and GTFO.

I hate your program with every ounce of my being. However my father is a good friend of Coach Berenson and therefore I have been raised to respect your program. I admire the great resiliency that your team showed in the last month of the season...even when you guys kicked me in the stomach at Munn a couple weeks ago.

So let me just say congrats on a salvaged season and winning in the face of adversity...something my program hasn't been able to do.

Best of luck in the future, but not too much...

Posts like that are welcome here at any time, regardless of the affiliation

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[YostWithTheMost]

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4 Chris Summers D L 6-3/202 SR 02/05/1988 PHX Milan, Mich.
5 Steve Kampfer D R 5-11/197 SR 09/24/1988 BOS Jackson, Mich.
14 Brian Lebler F L 6-3/212 SR 07/16/1988 Penticton, B.C.
15 Anthony Ciraulo F R 5-6/175 SR 06/07/1985 Clinton Township, Mich.
20 Eric Elmblad D L 6-5/201 SR 01/25/1986 St. Ignace, Mich.

If it hasn't been posted yet ... THANK YOU SENIORS!

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

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If it hasn't been posted yet ... THANK YOU SENIORS!

Indeed. I tried my best to get a loud "thank you seniors" chant in Fort Wayne, but the Miami fans were a bit loud to try and overcome. Not sure if the team could hear us.

Thank you Seniors for the last four years. The run they put together in the playoffs is something to be proud of.


Thank you Juniors, Sophomores and Freshman...we hope to see you all back next year.

 

[alnike]

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The relatively small senior class (minus Steve Jakiel and Trevor Lewis) did play in four consecutive CCHA Playoff Championships.

One Frozen Four
Two CCHA Playoff Titles (and two 2nd place finishes)
One Regular Season Title
2 GLI's

Hurts that it wasn't a second Frozen Four.

The players that can return for the 2010-11 season will be expected to compete with Miami for the top spot in the CCHA and return to the Frozen Four. Michigan "should" be a top 5 team with the likes of Miami, BC, and North Dakota.

 

[streaker]

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The relatively small senior class (minus Steve Jakiel and Trevor Lewis) did play in four consecutive CCHA Playoff Championships.

One Frozen Four
Two CCHA Playoff Titles (and two 2nd place finishes)
One Regular Season Title
2 GLI's

Hurts that it wasn't a second Frozen Four.

The players that can return for the 2010-11 season will be expected to compete with Miami for the top spot in the CCHA and return to the Frozen Four. Michigan "should" be a top 5 team with the likes of Miami, BC, and North Dakota.

Put a big asterisk next to your "should", considering that this year's team proved it had the talent to be a top five team and didn't execute consistently until the playoffs. I'd say that if the incoming freshmen contribute right away instead of collectively waiting until the end of the season like this year's class did (sans Brown), then they may meet those lofty expectations. Miami, UND, BC seem to be ripe to step up again. Don't rule out RPI in the ECAC, either. They should be ranked at least. Don't know what else that conference is losing (from Yale and Cornell).

Not only that, I'm waiting to see if any of our returning players bolt. Seems to be the time to do it, so I'll reserve any excitement until the Fall.

Just at a conference glance, though, Miami will still be the team to beat in the CCHA. They are only losing Palmer to graduation. (Steffes and Smith were not huge factors.) I don't see guys like Camper, Miele, Wingels, Cannone or Vaive leaving early. Their defense, aside from LoVerde, is young as are Reichart and Knapp.

It's a toss up after that, considering that MSU is losing a couple of seniors along with Petry and maybe others, NMU lost Kaunisto and Stewart along with Gustaffson and Olver, Ferris lost Case and Chupp. Alaska lost the Knelsens and Molle. UNO is gone period. OSU-I'm not sure what seniors they lost as well as Bishop and Dalpe. ND took a hit with Cole, Lawson and Thang. LSSU lost a few seniors, as did WMU and BG.

I'd go out on the limb and say they should be better than 7th, but the defense will be younger. As much as Kampfer and Summers underperformed in the regular season, they were that much better in the post-season. Lebler will be missed for his size, and his increased points total this season, but not for his penalty prowess. Just the same, the list of that class' accomplishments is commendable.

 

[KC8NIY]

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Well, we lose Kampfer and Summers, which will be hard to replace. Langlais and Llewellyn obviously have some big shoes to fill there. Tristan could be a solid stay-at-home D-man if he took the experiences this year and used them to his advantage. I think we saw some of that towards the end. Langlais could certainly be an offensive threat similar to an Eric Werner, and he's got the hustle to not hang out his partner should he pinch more often. This scenario doesn't replace Kampfer/Summers, but I don't necessarily think we're far off either.

We'll be sitting 8 deep on the blue line though, which is quite the conundrum of depth. We'll see where that leads us. I thought Moffie was just fine in most of his shifts this year, and I'd like to see him as a regular. Pateryn was decent too. Merrill, Clare, and Bennett are the incoming freshmen, of which I think 2 get routine playing time. Hard to pick who the 7th and 8th men are going to be, but it's going to come down to practice and the pairings.

This, of course, assumes that Burlon doesn't bail. He's got the speed and skill, but could use another year to fine-tune the details. Nonetheless, it wouldn't shock me if he took the next step, right decision or not. We'll just have to play the waiting game. Should he leave, we're still sitting at 7, which is a great place to be, but that's a big hit to the strengths of the corp in general.

Langlais-Llewellyn
Burlon-Pateryn
Moffie-Merrill
Clare-Bennett

Up front, we do lose that big physical presence of Lebler. Brown fills that role next year with more offensive upside, although Lebler did develop a pretty nice shot. Deblois/Fallon/Moffatt is easily an upgrade from Lebler/Ciraulo/Elmblad. I'm certainly no recruiting guru, but I assume there may even be a chance that Deblois plays another year in the USHL if we don't suffer any early departures.

Hagelin-Rust-Brown
Wohlberg-Caporusso-Glendening
Lynch-Treais-Vaughan
Winnett-Sparks-Moffatt
Deblois-Fallon-Rohrkemper

Rohrkemper sits most nights, Sparks (not sure what happened there?) might also, and Scooter could even see some more time out of the lineup. Scooter and Winnett would be a tossup in my book, with exception of all the power play time Winnett sees.


As for generalities, I'd like to think this end of season run is a great precursor to next October. Whatever wasn't working, whatever issues there were, they figured it out. They were a tight-knit group in the end, and that bodes well for chemistry next year. Chemistry on the ice will work itself out so long as they're one unit off the ice. My expectation would be another battle with Miami for the top spot in the conference, especially looking at the above talent.

 

[UMICHhockeyRULZ]

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Whatever wasn't working, whatever issues there were, they figured it out. They were a tight-knit group in the end, and that bodes well for chemistry next year.

I have no way of knowing for sure but IMO the "Cancer" in the locker-room was Hogan. I think that after he won Sauer's job his head began to grow and grow. The end of season run should show him that he is not the defense. I expect him to battle hard next year for the #1 spot (regardless if we bring in someone new),