Miami @ Michigan 10/26-27

[alfablue]

Re: Miami @ Michigan 10/26-27

C'mon E, I saw what you saw. Trouba got undressed by Barber on the first goal and beat Rutledge. In the third period, Miami won a faceoff and everyone stood there except the Miami forward who got off a good shot. Sure, elite goalies may have gotten that one. The third goal was inexcusable, on a delayed call, the forward (Mullin) beat his man, cut across the crease with Bennett and Chiasson standing there like pylons, and made a good move backhand to score. He should have been planted by one of the defensemen who were obviously playing the pass and not the man. The McKenzie breakaway shorthanded was just the defense asleep at the wheel. How can you allow a stretch pass at that stage of the game? Every defenseman last night could be fingered, but Trouba was absolutely someplace else. Terrible game. I am not pinning Rutledge for this game, no way. Most feeble effort defensing a lead in the third period a Michigan team could offer. Now I have witnessed it twice this season, AT HOME. Just a lack of intensity and leadership IMO.

I was also perplexed to see Hyman scratched again for Milne. I guess I am not seeing what the coaches are. He had a solid game against Miami friday and that line he was on with Selman and Copp was really effective. The other scratches (Rohrkemper, Sinelli, Dwyer, Merrill) I can see. Milne hasn't shown me much in his three games.

I'm not saying that he should have made the saves, but he didn't even touch the puck on the 2nd and 4th goals- the thrid being a rebound. Second- short side, which was a weakness in the first game, IIRC, and to be that cleanly deked when you team really needed you... eh. Makes me nervous about any OT shoot-outs.

No excuse for the terrible play- goal 3 (and arguably 4) was the result of a pretty pathetic blind dump, and then horrible coverage after that. Heck, if you are going to take a penalty, earn it and prevent the goal chance, don't let him keep skating.

 

[pgb-ohio]

wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

And, we were doing so well just talking hockey. Good luck this weekend.

That's on me. The idea that Miami might be Michigan's most hated hockey rival struck me as unusual, if not unique. I was sincerely interested in the rest of the story. But my timing was poor as it sidetracked the thread.

With the games now safely in the rearview mirror and the rest of the conversation winding down, I'd like to post some words in support of wT's response:

I've been treated well everywhere by most fans. I think most of us recognize that every fanbase has some horrible fans, and some great fans.

Strongly agree, and hope you always maintain that stance. I'd also argue that, as a general rule, hockey people are are a better breed of fan those involved in the other revenue sports.

I've had fun with Miami fans. Nothing terrible, typical friendly taunting that goes both ways. I find that enjoyable. And yes, I've had things thrown at me at Miami, but I've had things thrown at me in every rink in Ohio I've been to (always small things that I wouldn't even complain about, popcorn, skittles, candy wrappers). It certainly wasn't like going to the horseshoe and having batteries thrown at me, or being spit on. And please don't take these stories to think I'm one of those annoying fans that ticks everyone off. I'm on good behavior at away games. I'll cheer loudly and frequently for my team, but the worst thing I'll say or do is call a goalie a sieve.

You're in the right, and if anything I'd go further. To me, it's never OK to throw something at a visiting fan. I'd allow that some things are so harmless as to be irrelevant, like the empty candy wrapper. But even then there's no positive side to it. Throwing batteries? Total disgrace. I don't care if it's my stadium or a rival's home turf. The perpetrator should be ejected immediately, and to the extent possible forbidden from coming back.

Almost all of my dislike for Miami is Rico, and there's a story about events that took place in the old Goggin. I think it's classless for a coach to taunt/curse at fans, especially during a game...

Again, I'd go even further. This is another bright line that simply shouldn't be crossed. There's just nothing to be gained from coaches or players exchanging insults with fans. And I'm sorry. While I know the guys on the business side of the glass take a lot of verbal abuse, they have to live by higher standards. Fans ought to be classy. Players need to be. Coaches must be; failing that there should be consequences.

...Some of my dislike has to do with students I interacted with that were dressed for the bar and told me hockey was just a place to be seen. In particular, I asked one popped collar green polo wearing student why he couldn't at least wear his school's color; he wanted to "look good for the ladies"...

I doubt there's a single poster on USCHO that would defend this guy. Unfortunately the "see and be seen" crowd crops up at most any major event. The percentage of the audience may vary, but the problem is standard.

As for State, I know too many Spartans (and sadly am related to a few) to hate them.

Understood. Each of us has a unique set of experiences and relationships that go a long way to explaining our rooting interests. I appreciate your response, and streaker's as well. Again, apologies for the poor timing of my original post.

 

[MUhawks628]

Re: wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

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Per a reputable poster on another Miami board, Rico "clearly articulated at a speaking engagement last week that Michigan isn't interested in coming to Oxford".

Along with Red's original comments that he didn't desire to continue "so-called rivalries" with Miami and Notre Dame, it sounds like we've probably had our last regular season metting for awhile.

 

[SweeneyHawksHockey]

Re: Miami @ Michigan 10/26-27

Booo, that is very disappointing. I hope they enjoy playing their home non-conference games against Atlantic Hockey teams.

 

[streaker]

Re: Miami @ Michigan 10/26-27

Booo, that is very disappointing. I hope they enjoy playing their home non-conference games against Atlantic Hockey teams.

Until I hear Brandon and/or Berenson speak about who they are not scheduling in the future, I'll take it for what it is worth. There is far more leverage on having better OOC matchups playing in a league with only six members. I can understand ruling out Notre Dame, based on the distasteful way they left the football series, but as far as I know, Berenson has said, and I have asked him, that the future schedules will be open for discussion. He hasn't ruled anything out, including full weekend series away from Yost.

Personally, I'd like to see Michigan play more east coast series H & A. There are a few teams in the ECAC and HEA that they have not played in some time (or at all in the case of U-Mass) and I think that would be great exposure. Michigan hasn't played Minnesota State, either FWIW.

 

[fellowes]

Re: wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

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Along with Red's original comments that he didn't desire to continue "so-called rivalries" with Miami and Notre Dame, it sounds like we've probably had our last regular season metting for awhile.

I certainly hope this isn't the case...

 

[MGoBlueHockey]

Re: wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

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With that performance Saturday, it looks Michigan has found their guy in Racine.

 

[redhawk95]

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With that performance Saturday, it looks Michigan has found their guy in Racine.

(1634) Racine. You know, I used to have a friend who lived there...

 

[streaker]

Re: wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

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With that performance Saturday, it looks Michigan has found their guy in Racine.

Oh boy. That hasn't been determined yet. Racine had a good game on Friday, very acrobatic, although Red wasn't happy with either goal, again. Rutledge cannot defend his play against RIT, but certainly cannot shoulder all the blame for what happened saturday night. Are you going to the games, to the pressers, going to practice, etc. or just pulling comments out of your tail?

I suggest you examine Michigan's 46th ranked defense (GA) in total before making a judgement on the goaltending. Our top line is a magical -6 combined. The rest of the team is in the + category, sans Milne, Rohrkemper and Clare, but that doesn't tell the whole story. There have been too many odd man rushes, too many lost defensive assignments, too many lost defensive zone faceoffs and lack of recovery etc. that have resulted in too many quality scoring chances for opponents, to which our goaltending has stood up and saved. Our team will no doubt outscore most of our mistakes, but cannot do that all the time against quality opponents. We don't have Hunwick in net to cover up those issues from last season- and our netminders are solid, yet are still freshmen and are not at his level, or may never be. To pin either one or the other unfairly at this point is not seeing the entire picture that our coaching staff does. If you are not seeing what I am seeing, live, or at practice, or reviewing tape, then you can't pass judgement on Rutledge yet.

I hope they get their act together at NMU. It will take a team defensive effort on the road to secure points- not just goaltending.

 

[MUhawks628]

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(1634) Racine. You know, I used to have a friend who lived there...

Isn't that just like a wop? Brings a knife to a gun fight.

 

[alfablue]

Re: wolverine Trumpet's Most Hated Fan Base

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Oh boy. That hasn't been determined yet. Racine had a good game on Friday, very acrobatic, although Red wasn't happy with either goal, again. Rutledge cannot defend his play against RIT, but certainly cannot shoulder all the blame for what happened saturday night. Are you going to the games, to the pressers, going to practice, etc. or just pulling comments out of your tail?

I suggest you examine Michigan's 46th ranked defense (GA) in total before making a judgement on the goaltending. Our top line is a magical -6 combined. The rest of the team is in the + category, sans Milne, Rohrkemper and Clare, but that doesn't tell the whole story. There have been too many odd man rushes, too many lost defensive assignments, too many lost defensive zone faceoffs and lack of recovery etc. that have resulted in too many quality scoring chances for opponents, to which our goaltending has stood up and saved. Our team will no doubt outscore most of our mistakes, but cannot do that all the time against quality opponents. We don't have Hunwick in net to cover up those issues from last season- and our netminders are solid, yet are still freshmen and are not at his level, or may never be. To pin either one or the other unfairly at this point is not seeing the entire picture that our coaching staff does. If you are not seeing what I am seeing, live, or at practice, or reviewing tape, then you can't pass judgement on Rutledge yet.

I hope they get their act together at NMU. It will take a team defensive effort on the road to secure points- not just goaltending.

How about this- for the goalie who was supposed to be the go to guy- he didn't do himself any favors.

Right now, they are even, or a little Racine>Rutledge. Certainly, the play in front is that way- and we have seen plenty of time where the play in front of the goalie was very influenced by who was in the net, for some reason.

BUT- IMHO, we should move this discussion to our own thread. We don't play Miami again, unless in march.

 

[bluevox]

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Isn't that just like a wop? Brings a knife to a gun fight.

The first one went right over my head. I got it now.

 

[MGoBlueHockey]

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Oh boy. That hasn't been determined yet. Racine had a good game on Friday, very acrobatic, although Red wasn't happy with either goal, again. Rutledge cannot defend his play against RIT, but certainly cannot shoulder all the blame for what happened saturday night. Are you going to the games, to the pressers, going to practice, etc. or just pulling comments out of your tail?

I suggest you examine Michigan's 46th ranked defense (GA) in total before making a judgement on the goaltending. Our top line is a magical -6 combined. The rest of the team is in the + category, sans Milne, Rohrkemper and Clare, but that doesn't tell the whole story. There have been too many odd man rushes, too many lost defensive assignments, too many lost defensive zone faceoffs and lack of recovery etc. that have resulted in too many quality scoring chances for opponents, to which our goaltending has stood up and saved. Our team will no doubt outscore most of our mistakes, but cannot do that all the time against quality opponents. We don't have Hunwick in net to cover up those issues from last season- and our netminders are solid, yet are still freshmen and are not at his level, or may never be. To pin either one or the other unfairly at this point is not seeing the entire picture that our coaching staff does. If you are not seeing what I am seeing, live, or at practice, or reviewing tape, then you can't pass judgement on Rutledge yet.

I hope they get their act together at NMU. It will take a team defensive effort on the road to secure points- not just goaltending.

Not saying Rutledge can't be a good backup option like Bryan Hogan was in 2010-11. But you have to go with the hot hand. And right now, that is Steve Racine.