unofan
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You can pick and choose your customers using any legal means. You can deny service all you want, you just can't break the law to do so.
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You can pick and choose your customers using any legal means. You can deny service all you want, you just can't break the law to do so.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Married? Again?
I respond with, "***k off" for positing such a sophomoric argument.
I respond with, "***k off" for positing such a sophomoric argument.
Re: Married? Again?
Meanwhile, more dominoes are falling: New Mexico, Wal-Mart
Okay, maybe NM's domino hasn't completely fallen, but it sure is leaning badly...
Meanwhile, more dominoes are falling: New Mexico, Wal-Mart
Okay, maybe NM's domino hasn't completely fallen, but it sure is leaning badly...
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Priceless
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unofan
Well-known member
Doubtful fishy even had an answer. He just asks questions.
Re: Married? Again?
Totally concur with you on that one, that was my visceral response as well when I read garbage like this. I saw about half a dozen such news stories from various sources in the days following the SCOTUS' DOMA ruling.
The key element is that DOMA involves consenting adults. One element of being a "minor", by definition is being deemed not to be able to form "consent" in the firsdt place.
Totally concur with you on that one, that was my visceral response as well when I read garbage like this. I saw about half a dozen such news stories from various sources in the days following the SCOTUS' DOMA ruling.
The key element is that DOMA involves consenting adults. One element of being a "minor", by definition is being deemed not to be able to form "consent" in the firsdt place.
Re: Married? Again?
Where is the line drawn though? Not suggesting this case should be considered but there are plenty of others that flirt with that line. Example, transgender men wanting to use the womens bathroom/locker room.
Where is the line drawn though? Not suggesting this case should be considered but there are plenty of others that flirt with that line. Example, transgender men wanting to use the womens bathroom/locker room.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Married? Again?
Actually, and I would think this more pertinent based upon the California bill being debated currently, is a transgender male-to-female playing on the girls softball team (or most other sports). Hitting a fastpitch softball 250ft is not particularly difficult for most guys. That would be a severe advantage for whichever high school had such a student.
Re: Married? Again?
I can see the schools starting to encourage it now...
Same issue, just a different example. Are their civil rights being violated because they can't play the game they want on the team they want?
I can see the schools starting to encourage it now...
Same issue, just a different example. Are their civil rights being violated because they can't play the game they want on the team they want?
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Married? Again?
There has been case in Maine of a male student in a grammer school who sued to use girls bathroom, its in the state supreme court now. School goes to 6th grade so kid was 12 maybe?
Foxton
Banned
Re: Married? Again?
Sounds like a win-win situation, so why aren't more guys signing up to live as girls so they can dominate at softball?
Re: Married? Again?
First, marrying young children is not unusual. It happens all over the world, and has even occurred in this country. My guess is there are 12 year old girls all over Africa getting "married" as we speak.
As others have noted, the issue in this country is consent, not civil rights. We will let you marry any person who you choose, and who also consents. In this country, young children lack the capacity to consent. I would suggest children all over generally lack the capacity to enter into these types of contracts, but if other countries are comfortable letting children enter into contracts, who are we to argue.
That's what people keep forgetting about the difference between rights of gays to marry, and the pedophile/children, "I want to marry my dog" red herring what ifs.
This argument is a complete red herring.Totally concur with you on that one, that was my visceral response as well when I read garbage like this. I saw about half a dozen such news stories from various sources in the days following the SCOTUS' DOMA ruling.
The key element is that DOMA involves consenting adults. One element of being a "minor", by definition is being deemed not to be able to form "consent" in the firsdt place.
First, marrying young children is not unusual. It happens all over the world, and has even occurred in this country. My guess is there are 12 year old girls all over Africa getting "married" as we speak.
As others have noted, the issue in this country is consent, not civil rights. We will let you marry any person who you choose, and who also consents. In this country, young children lack the capacity to consent. I would suggest children all over generally lack the capacity to enter into these types of contracts, but if other countries are comfortable letting children enter into contracts, who are we to argue.
That's what people keep forgetting about the difference between rights of gays to marry, and the pedophile/children, "I want to marry my dog" red herring what ifs.
Re: Married? Again?
Of course if we believe marrying children is wrong here, then we shouldn't be a big fan of it elsewhere, or else we should reexamine why we aren't a big fan of it. Of course what we do with our not being a big fan of it elsewhere is then a challenging question.
True. The discussion of marriage with more than one other person is more germaine, as then you would have consenting adults. Consent is one reasonable dividing line between certain types of possible marriage.
Of course if we believe marrying children is wrong here, then we shouldn't be a big fan of it elsewhere, or else we should reexamine why we aren't a big fan of it. Of course what we do with our not being a big fan of it elsewhere is then a challenging question.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Married? Again?
Clearly, it's because these organizations are allowed to discriminate. If you can't discriminate on any condition, then you'd see all the state champion softball teams with some girls who could stand a good shaving of those five o'clock shadows.
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Our society accepts discrimination in a variety of ways, with sometimes good, sometimes dubious cause.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Married? Again?
Any time a law is created it's society discriminating against an activity and favoring another. That's life. Like you said, sometimes they're good (discriminating against murderous behavior), and sometimes it's bad (whites only toilets).
Re: Married? Again?
And a lot that are less obvious as to how fair they are. We offer governmental health care assistance to children, but massive health care assistance to the elderly. Fair or not? It costs a male teenager more for car insurance regardless of their character, driving record, etc. than a female of the same age. Fair or not?