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Married? Again?

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Re: Married? Again?

LynahFan said:
Asking you to explain your views is trolling? Lame response, per usual.

I still think you've got nothing besides, "it's icky." Proving me wrong (which I'm sure you would love to do) would be the easiest thing in the world - just a few sentences is all it would take.
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It isnt that it is icky...Bob believes God Hates Fags. He needs no nuance because he read a book where God hated gay people so he is clued into the truth.

Now stop bugging him, he has a border to go patrol while protecting Christmas from us Godless Hedonites!! :D
 
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Handyman said:
It isnt that it is icky...Bob believes God Hates Fags. He needs no nuance because he read a book where God hated gay people so he is clued into the truth.

Now stop bugging him, he has a border to go patrol while protecting Christmas from us Godless Hedonites!! :D
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Now that's a rant. Just tell your ilk to post this whenever they want to hate on me.
 
leswp1 said:
I may not always agree with you but I found that obnoxious and unfounded. Sigh.
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Obnoxious? Yes. Unfounded? Not really.

Bob's argument against gay marriage is based upon his religious belief. When pressed to explain why that should apply to society at large when many are not of the same religion as him, he goes to "tradition," which just happens to be based on that same religion (ie Judeo-Christian values/"this is a Christian nation" type arguement).

The anti-gay marriage arguments are threefold:
- Because God said so.
- Because I don't like it/it's icky
- Won't somebody think of the children

The last of those is plausible on its face, but falls apart when compared to all the "traditional" marriages that have nothing to do with kids and the thousands of years of marriage based on politics and alliances rather than stable family units geared to raising kids.
 
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unofan said:
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The anti-gay marriage arguments are threefold:
- Because God said so.
- Because I don't like it/it's icky
- Won't somebody think of the children
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If God is against it, wouldn't it be prudent to agree with Him?
 
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joecct said:
If God is against it, wouldn't it be prudent to agree with Him?
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Only if you believe in the religion, and only if your church's interpretation of that confounding book says as much. There appears to be some disagreement as to how much God is against homosexual acts and, say, divorce. Given that I'm more the irreligious sort, I'll leave that for others to debate. And since I'm not using some 5,000 year old tome that I would say was written by people with advice on how to make their culture survive 5,000 years ago, I'm not willing to apply those standards to today.

Of the bits and pieces I have read, I find it all too convenient that the only times within Leviticus when a man and woman are premitted sexual congress is when she's most likely to conceive a child. To me, it reads more like the man was more interested in providing a guide on how to increase the clan's population than purifying the soul.
 
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unofan said:
Obnoxious? Yes. Unfounded? Not really.

Bob's argument against gay marriage is based upon his religious belief. When pressed to explain why that should apply to society at large when many are not of the same religion as him, he goes to "tradition," which just happens to be based on that same religion (ie Judeo-Christian values/"this is a Christian nation" type arguement).

The anti-gay marriage arguments are threefold:
- Because God said so.
- Because I don't like it/it's icky
- Won't somebody think of the children

The last of those is plausible on its face, but falls apart when compared to all the "traditional" marriages that have nothing to do with kids and the thousands of years of marriage based on politics and alliances rather than stable family units geared to raising kids.
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I have read along. I get frustrated when people seem to dismiss an aspect of life that I think should be a non-issue. I pray about it. I try to keep an open mind. There are plenty of people on both sides who are malicious for the sake of being nasty and use God as an excuse. I don't believe what Bob does but I don't see anywhere that Bob has said God hates fags. I may wholeheartedly disagree with his stance as far as what God would want us to do but I respect he has the right to believe that. Moreover I respect that even though he seems to totally disagree with the premise I don't believe he has ever said he believed God was hating on anyone. I don't think he blindly believe it but came to that conclusion based on his beliefs. The message I get is he believes the people are acting in a misguided way. I can't pass judgment on that. I think everyone in here believes they have the right opinion, others are misguided and hopes in the end the other side will wake up.

So, I get this is a forum on the internet but I don't have to like people belittling people who stick by their beliefs. It is a rare thing that people are willing to do publically despite pressure to accept what is abhorrent to them.
 
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St. Clown said:
Only if you believe in the religion, and only if your church's interpretation of that confounding book says as much. There appears to be some disagreement as to how much God is against homosexual acts and, say, divorce. Given that I'm more the irreligious sort, I'll leave that for others to debate. And since I'm not using some 5,000 year old tome that I would say was written by people with advice on how to make their culture survive 5,000 years ago, I'm not willing to apply those standards to today.

Of the bits and pieces I have read, I find it all too convenient that the only times within Leviticus when a man and woman are premitted sexual congress is when she's most likely to conceive a child. To me, it reads more like the man was more interested in providing a guide on how to increase the clan's population than purifying the soul.
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We had a Pastor Intern that was a converted Jew. Totally fascinating explanations regarding why certain things were written and why. I could have listened to him all day. There is a lot of symbolism when you look at things in stories. He would tell us why certain things should have been emphasized but weren't because we were looking at it from a non-Jewish view and it was mostly written for Jews until late in the NT.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
I'll consider that when God himself stops by and says it.

Humans "speaking for God" don't count.
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Doubting Thomas... I mean Gurt.

That is why it's called "faith" ya know.

Note: not judging because I don't really care what each person believes as long as it doesn't directly impact me. Just making the point it was an odd response. Don't start holding your breath waiting for God to answer.
 
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