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Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Hoping for a fight between Luke Curadi (6'5" 265) and Cammarata tomorrow (5'7" (Ya, right) 154).
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

I can see both sides to the Cammarata debate. I see a lot of what Harley sees, although denouncing him as a total ***** is putting it stronger than I would.
There is no doubt that physical play and "grittiness" are a weakness in his game. The play at the offensive blueline that led to a turnover and Colgate's 1st goal was a prime example.
Given his size, I think it's fair to say physicality and gritty play will never be his strong suit. But he needs to start being willing to get his nose at least a little dirty. I don't think I would bench him, but I do think there needs to be some kind of change there and/or some kind of message sent. To be clear, though, after a game like tonight Cammarata isn't the first place I'm looking.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Was watching on TV, and I still cant find the penalty Kulevich (the one that resulted in the PPG). Did anyone see it? It looked like the Gopher player left his feet and Kulevich got the penalty. MN was gifted that power play and the tie. Lets go get Ferris State and win this thing!

Uhhhh.....who wants to break it to him?
 
I can see both sides to the Cammarata debate. I see a lot of what Harley sees, although denouncing him as a total ***** is putting it stronger than I would.
There is no doubt that physical play and "grittiness" are a weakness in his game. The play at the offensive blueline that led to a turnover and Colgate's 1st goal was a prime example.
Given his size, I think it's fair to say physicality and gritty play will never be his strong suit. But he needs to start being willing to get his nose at least a little dirty. I don't think I would bench him, but I do think there needs to be some kind of change there and/or some kind of message sent. To be clear, though, after a game like tonight Cammarata isn't the first place I'm looking.

No doubt. It's a part of his game that he needs to work on for sure, especially if he plans on playing at the next level. But the extent of the criticism was over the top and classless.

Gotta keep in mind that he's only a freshman, and is diminutive in size. Give him a year or two in the weight room, and a year or two experience at this level and I would venture to guess he'll improve in this area.

His comment about being a disappointment (while somewhat understandable considering expectations) was off base, especially if you consider his follow-up comment about his play in the USHL. He's struggled in some areas, and hasn't tore up the scoreboard like some (including me) expected he would, but to say he's been a disappointment isn't fair.

Harley is the guy who lamented before the season that this team wouldn't possibly score as many goals as last year, yet they out paced last year's team in that department thru the first half of the season.

I also think there are players on this team that need messages sent to them FAR more than Cammarata. Players that are upper-classman, have the experience, but are making stupid and/or lazy mistakes.

Condon failed to get the puck in deep on the bad line change that resulted in the second goal by Colgate, and didn't even come back hard after turning the puck over. Then had a bad turnover in the third period that led to an odd man rush. He also took a few lazy penalties (one an offensive zone penalty and one while we were on a late power play trying to take the lead).

Beyond on-ice play, where was our on ice leadership all game? The Gophers slept thru this game and there was no "lead by example" push typical of Matson's captaincy. I have to admit, the play from our upper-classmen (minus Abroz and to an extent Boyd) has been very underwhelming. These are guys who have been thru the grind and should be producing and leading by example.
 
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Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

No doubt. It's a part of his game that he needs to work on for sure, especially if he plans on playing at the next level. But the extent of the criticism was over the top and classless.

Gotta keep in mind that he's only a freshman, and is diminutive in size. Give him a year or two in the weight room, and a year or two experience at this level and I would venture to guess he'll improve in this area.

His comment about being a disappointment (while somewhat understandable considering expectations) was off base, especially if you consider his follow-up comment about his play in the USHL.

Harley is the guy who lamented before the season that this team wouldn't possibly score as many goals as last year, yet they out paced last year's team in that department thru the first half of the season.

I also think there are players on this team that need messages sent to them FAR more than Cammarata. Players that are upper-classman, have the experience, but are making stupid and/or lazy mistakes.

Condon failed to get the puck in deep on the bad line change that resulted in the second goal by Colgate, and didn't even come back hard after turning the puck over. Then had a bad turnover in the third period that led to an odd man rush. He also took a few lazy penalties (one an offensive zone penalty and one while we were on a late power play trying to take the lead).

Beyond on-ice play, where was our on ice leadership all game? The Gophers slept thru this game and there was no "lead by example" push typical of Matson's captaincy. I have to admit, the play from our upper-classmen (minus Abroz and to an extent Boyd) has been very underwhelming. These are guys who have been thru the grind and should be producing and leading by example.

I have to say that he has been a little bit of a disappointment to me. Not in terms of his scoreline, just in his play. I had heard the knocks on him coming into the year but was hoping they were overblown. They don't appear to be.
I agree, he is small and young. But like I said, he needs to start showing a willingness to get his nose at least a little dirty. So far he hasn't.

I think Cammarata has tremendous upside and expect him to turn into a very good college player. He has incredible vision and is a great skater. But after watching him and Kloos this year, I feel comfortable in the impression that last year he benefited quite a bit from playing alongside Kloos to the extent that it might have made him appear very slightly better and more prepared than he actually is.

Either way, I've said for a while that the line had some limitations and that I wouldn't mind seeing some shuffling going on with it. Given Condon's lack of scoring and Rau's and Warning's recent slumps, my opinion remains the same. I don't think I'd bench any of them, or move Cammarata or Kloos to a 3rd line role, but the Gophers have depth and there are options there.

I have to wonder about Condon as a top-2 guy. He was at his best his sophomore year playing on the third line alongside Matson, and I have to wonder about moving him back into that type of role. Thinking back to last year, when he saw time on one of the top 2 lines it never really worked out either.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

I got to see Cammarata and Kloos play a fair amount the past few seasons when Waterloo played in Green Bay. I'll try and elaborate on this a bit more tomorrow as I am pretty tired and am going to call it a night, but the biggest difference in Cammarata's play this year compared to the past few is that he hasn't been able to create as much time and space for himself. He's never been a guy who is going to wrestle someone off a puck or win a lot of board battles. He's got where he is because of his vision and his hockey IQ. He puts himself in scoring positions and finds the open spots in scoring areas or the open man in scoring areas. I don't think he's been bad this season, or even average as he's on pace to put up 25-30 points, but he hasn't lit up the scoresheet like I thought he would. It will come. No doubt playing alongside Kloos helped him, but he has excelled ate very level he's played at. College hockey is a big jump and I am confident he will adjust. He just might need more time than we thought.

Interesting thoughts on Condon. You might be onto something there. Maybe put a big body like Ambroz on that second line to create some more space for Kloos and Cammy and move Condon down?
 
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Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Hoping for a fight between Luke Curadi (6'5" 265) and Cammarata tomorrow (5'7" (Ya, right) 154).

Luke isn't really a fighter although he often gets penalties from ECAC refs when someone falls in his vicinity.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

It is entirely possible that Big10 reffing will trend one direction or another, but I'm curious as to how much of it you have seen in order to form a legitimate opinion on such a trend.

Cut him some slack, it's difficult trying to be a know it all when you don't know anything at all.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

He gave Serratore a very slight graze to the chin after being checked cleanly. I wouldn't have called it. That being said, there were a couple penalties on each team tonight I wouldn't have called.



It is entirely possible that Big10 reffing will trend one direction or another, but I'm curious as to how much of it you have seen in order to form a legitimate opinion on such a trend.

The biggest gift of the night was that line change by MN that led to a 2-on-0 and Colgate's 2nd goal. Murphy did well with the shot to cash in on it.

Three instances of games from different years in which the B1G team was losing to the EZAC team, one of which involved several infractions by the B1G team "missed".
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Remember Cams is a freshman. He's just got high expectations and playing with (or against) Kloos and Fasching who are arguably the two best freshmen in the country. Cammy's is outscoring Haula at the same age. Give him a year or so... remember even Mike Reilly was a mess last year and except for the fact he didn't net one, he was probably our best player last night.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Three instances of games from different years in which the B1G team was losing to the EZAC team, one of which involved several infractions by the B1G team "missed".

If only there was such a thing as Big 10 hockey refs before this year, you might be on to something.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

If only there was such a thing as Big 10 hockey refs before this year, you might be on to something.

If your implied statement that this only happens in the case of Big Ten specific refs were true, then I would have seen a similar pattern of reffing in the past involving teams that were not of the Big Ten realm. And to make sure there isn't any confusion, we'll consider games involving referees in Western leagues. I did not see a similar pattern of reffing in the past involving teams that were not of the Big Ten realm, therefore by the Law of Modus Tollens, your implied statement is false, and your cross-examination thereby disproved.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

Let's play the championship game first today and have everyone sit around for another three hours to see who the biggest loser is. Are they going to hold the winners trophy until after the losers game is finished ?
 
Let's play the championship game first today and have everyone sit around for another three hours to see who the biggest loser is. Are they going to hold the winners trophy until after the losers game is finished ?

Sorry, money is king and the Gophers are money.

My suggestion, stop being a poor winner and just enjoy your season.
 
Re: Mariucci Classic (Colgate, FSU, Minnesota, RPI) 1/3/14 - 1/4/14

He frequents the LSSU threads. Not sure what you're reaching for there.

Look. As long as everyone knows the deal going into the tournament, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
 
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