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Marathon Killers Apprehended: the Aftermath

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Brenthoven said:
Still for that. I am all for fair trial, but some cases are pretty obvious. Like this one.
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My surmise that for the defense, the trial is less about guilt or innocence and more about the sentence: death penalty vs life in prison.
 
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FreshFish said:
My surmise that for the defense, the trial is less about guilt or innocence and more about the sentence: death penalty vs life in prison.
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yes.


I think a plea deal would probably be in the best interest of both sides at this point. The defense is obviously going to be planning to argue "our client was under the influence/afraid of his older brother, he deserves life in prison". If the prosecution "wins" a death penalty, we have to look forward to a decade of appeals and millions of dollars in extra legal expense. I think the best case is he pleads guilty, gets sentenced to life, and we all forget about him. We don't see his face in the news papers again. We don't hear about him every night on the news. It's over with and done with, and he rots in prison. Putting him to death accomplishes nothing except to drag this process out over a decade.
 
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BassAle said:
yes.


I think a plea deal would probably be in the best interest of both sides at this point. The defense is obviously going to be planning to argue "our client was under the influence/afraid of his older brother, he deserves life in prison". If the prosecution "wins" a death penalty, we have to look forward to a decade of appeals and millions of dollars in extra legal expense. I think the best case is he pleads guilty, gets sentenced to life, and we all forget about him. We don't see his face in the news papers again. We don't hear about him every night on the news. It's over with and done with, and he rots in prison. Putting him to death accomplishes nothing except to drag this process out over a decade.
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How long will life be? If he gets put in GenPop, is it a short life?
 
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Pretty easy to get out of jury duty. One potential showed up this morning in a Bruins jersey and shouted "Go Pats!" and was promptly dismissed.
 
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Priceless said:
Pretty easy to get out of jury duty. One potential showed up this morning in a Bruins jersey and shouted "Go Pats!" and was promptly dismissed.
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I've heard that stuff like that CAN get you into trouble, though. Something about a purposeful effort to exclude oneself from duty, or something. Could be urban legend, but I wouldn't risk it.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I've heard that stuff like that CAN get you into trouble, though. Something about a purposeful effort to exclude oneself from duty, or something. Could be urban legend, but I wouldn't risk it.
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I would try to be a little more low-key. An outburst of any kind in the court room is liable to get a contempt charge from the judge.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I've heard that stuff like that CAN get you into trouble, though. Something about a purposeful effort to exclude oneself from duty, or something. Could be urban legend, but I wouldn't risk it.
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I've wondered what would happen if you went into Jury Duty and started acting like you wanted to get out of it... Saying things like "I hate _____" with the obvious intent of getting booted... Never had to do jury duty, so just kinda curious about the system...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I've wondered what would happen if you went into Jury Duty and started acting like you wanted to get out of it... Saying things like "I hate _____" with the obvious intent of getting booted... Never had to do jury duty, so just kinda curious about the system...
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I had to do jury duty once, and when they asked about any relations to police...yeah, I was cut right about then and there, especially due to the ranking of said police relative.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I've wondered what would happen if you went into Jury Duty and started acting like you wanted to get out of it... Saying things like "I hate _____" with the obvious intent of getting booted... Never had to do jury duty, so just kinda curious about the system...
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I have done jury duty but no one was quite that blatant. It really isn't that difficult to get out of if you really want. For example, there was a case of theft being heard. They asked if anyone in the jury pool had been a victim of theft. I raised my hand, said I had a book bag stolen. I knew the defense would strike me from the list as a previous "victim." I wasn't trying to get out of it, but all you have to do is say you're a previous victim and you'll be ixnayed. Another sure-fire way is to say that you MIGHT have a prior relationship with one of the witnesses, lawyers or the defendant. Something as innocuous as "I think that officer may have given me a traffic citation" is enough to get you excused from most juries. The prosecution won't want you because you might harbor some ill-will to that cop.

I got picked for three juries, but only one case went to trial. A very messy rape case. I am glad I served on that jury though since there were three Neanderthals who wanted to let the pervert walk because "she was asking for it" :rolleyes: It took four of us all day to convince them that, no, she wasn't.
 
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Priceless said:
I have done jury duty but no one was quite that blatant. It really isn't that difficult to get out of if you really want. For example, there was a case of theft being heard. They asked if anyone in the jury pool had been a victim of theft. I raised my hand, said I had a book bag stolen. I knew the defense would strike me from the list as a previous "victim." I wasn't trying to get out of it, but all you have to do is say you're a previous victim and you'll be ixnayed. Another sure-fire way is to say that you MIGHT have a prior relationship with one of the witnesses, lawyers or the defendant. Something as innocuous as "I think that officer may have given me a traffic citation" is enough to get you excused from most juries. The prosecution won't want you because you might harbor some ill-will to that cop.

I got picked for three juries, but only one case went to trial. A very messy rape case. I am glad I served on that jury though since there were three Neanderthals who wanted to let the pervert walk because "she was asking for it" :rolleyes: It took four of us all day to convince them that, no, she wasn't.
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There are subtle things they look for, and of course, the lawyers usually "give" each other some freebie dismissals. My case involved a Hispanic and a cop. I had worked with Hispanics at the time, my tatt artist is part Hispanic, have a relative for a cop, love anything about the mafia (not relevant to THIS case, but in criminal sense overall). Lots of red flags there.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I've wondered what would happen if you went into Jury Duty and started acting like you wanted to get out of it... Saying things like "I hate _____" with the obvious intent of getting booted... Never had to do jury duty, so just kinda curious about the system...
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Is selection considered a court proceeding? Cuz that sounds like a ticket to a contempt fine.
 
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Kepler said:
Is selection considered a court proceeding? Cuz that sounds like a ticket to a contempt fine.
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A sort of brief google search brought me the following link, which describes possible contempt/perjury charges on people who try and get out of jury duty:


http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...s-rights/should-i-try-get-out-jury-duty-lying

I would say blatant comments, although not totally lying, might be basis for contempt.
 
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Brenthoven said:
A sort of brief google search brought me the following link, which describes possible contempt/perjury charges on people who try and get out of jury duty:


http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...s-rights/should-i-try-get-out-jury-duty-lying

I would say blatant comments, although not totally lying, might be basis for contempt.
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If you screw around too much the court clerk/judge will just keep you coming in, you'll get the notice in the mail to report every month until you smarten up.
 
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Went in for jury duty last July, and was called in to the courtroom. They didn't get to my number before settling on a jury, but the case involved testimony from a chiropractor. I wondered how many people who got dismissed for hating chiros were telling the truth.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Went in for jury duty last July, and was called in to the courtroom. They didn't get to my number before settling on a jury, but the case involved testimony from a chiropractor. I wondered how many people who got dismissed for hating chiros were telling the truth.
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I experienced a similar thing, but it was about 18 years ago, and involved a guy on trial for either selling or cooking meth, I don't remember anymore.
 
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