Making a Murderer updates

[WiscTJK]

Re: Making a Murderer updates

https://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-guilty/2016/01/06/id/708361/

https://thefederalist.com/2016/01/06/making-a-murderer-subject-steven-avery-is-guilty-as-hell/

 

[dxmnkd316]

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No offense, but Newsmax and The Federalist are third-rate, right wing fishwraps.

 

[trixR4kids]

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No offense, but Newsmax and The Federalist are third-rate, right wing fishwraps.

Well let me raise you one Breitbart article!

 

[WiscTJK]

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No, you're adding nothing to the thread and saying, "hey sheeple educate yourselves by listening to however many hours of this $hitty podcast!", which is literally no better than when Flagdude comes in and posts infowars links in another thread.

And honestly I'm not convinced of their innocence but the original documentary at least did a plausible enough job of presenting a case for reasonable doubt and alternate suspects at the very least.

FIFY: Hey sheeple, educate yourself by watching however many hours of this $hitty, one sided "documentary"

So you've listened to the podcasts? It's obvious you haven't. So you have no basis for saying they are bad or good. You just don't like the side they present, which is opposite of what is presented by Netflix and here. I like that the podcasts talk about actual evidence, that is conveniently left out of the videos to promote one side only.

So yes, that is adding to the thread.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Yeah it's basically a podcast that came out 3 years ago and is just some guy regurgitating Ken Kratz and the story about how he burned a cat in a fire etc. Basically all the stuff that came out after the original Doc was released on Netflix or long before the documentary.

But anyhow we'd all appreciate more Infowars and the Blaze articles if you have any, thanks for your valuable contributions!

 

[WiscTJK]

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No offense, but Newsmax and The Federalist are third-rate, right wing fishwraps.

Well let me raise you one Breitbart article!

That is fair. But I can argue then that Rolling Stone and Kathleen Zellner and People and ...... are from the left wing side.

I'll take the facts: that ALL the physical evidence points to Avery and Dassey. Again, listen to the podcasts, and get the full picture, instead of just one side. Unfortunately the family wants to move on so the other side of the argument isn't covered as well, which is why I liked the podcasts.

 

[WiscTJK]

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Yeah it's basically a podcast that came out 3 years ago and is just some guy regurgitating Ken Kratz and the story about how he burned a cat in a fire etc. Basically all the stuff that came out after the original Doc was released on Netflix or long before the documentary.

But anyhow we'd all appreciate more Infowars and the Blaze articles if you have any, thanks for your valuable contributions!

Don't let the facts get in the way of your beliefs. Thanks for your valuable contributions!

And no, the podcasts where done at the time of each episode being release by Netflix. He just uses the actual facts of the case from having actually attended the trial. Not a bunch of theories with no physical evidence.

 

[solovsfett]

You do realize that if you look at the all the evidence and not the one sided picture put out by Netflix, that all physical evidence points to Avery and Dassey.

I highly recommend you listen to these episode by episode rebuttals by a newsman that was at the trial:

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-rebutting-a-murderer-27424970/episodes/

Dan O’Donnell imo is an absolute joke. When Zellner frees Avery, and that IS what will happen based on science, O’Donnell will say the cops were somehow framed. I’ve listened to him, his arguments are straight Ken Kratz bull****.

So i’ll Play: you somehow have a bit of Avery blood but not Halbach’s? No signs of struggle anywhere in Avery’s room nor halbach’s blood. Avery leaves blood somehow in RAV4 WITHOUT leaving fingerprints?

Try it. Cut your finger, open a car door with it bleeding and try not to leave fingerprints. See how that works out for you.

As for the Halbach’s they’ll owe Avery and Dassey big apologies when they’re released and either Hillegas or Bobby Dassey are arrested.

 

[trixR4kids]

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My only beliefs are that the state didn't do a great job of proving SA guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and definitely didn't with BD. That said certain evidence against SA is pretty ****ing and I'm not sure it's possible to explain away all that easily so I'm a bit conflicted on the whole thing and willing to buy that he could've done it. I also think it's possible that Bobby or Scott did too and if they put them on trial with the same amount of tunnel vision they'd probably be in jail now instead.

He just uses the actual facts of the case from having actually attended the trial. Not a bunch of theories with no physical evidence.

You clearly didn't watch the Doc, the follow up doc, or read about any of the developments in the case from KZ if you're going to argue that there are no "facts" that poke holes in the state's theory. Glad we got a Wisconsin Flaggy on the boards this is entertaining

 

[solovsfett]

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Also, maybe explain why the cops thought bones from manitowoc gravel pit were Teresa’s and gave them to her family at a funeral home in 2011? You maybe were saying something about inconclusive (on untested bones mind you).

Oh! You were finished? Well allow me to retort! The cops thought they were Halbach’s obviously then they broke federal law because they’re too ****ing stupid to realize a good lawyer will destroy them.

Up next? Fingerprints in one min

 

[solovsfett]

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Here you go at 5:46. Ken Kratz/o’donnel’s Argument how cops were looking for dna not fingerprints. The very same cops who shat all over dna when it freed Avery earlier now suddenly look for dna vs fingerprints?!?!?!?

https://t.co/mAkChTEjvu

 

[WiscTJK]

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Dan O’Donnell imo is an absolute joke. When Zellner frees Avery, and that IS what will happen based on science, O’Donnell will say the cops were somehow framed. I’ve listened to him, his arguments are straight Ken Kratz bull****.

So i’ll Play: you somehow have a bit of Avery blood but not Halbach’s? No signs of struggle anywhere in Avery’s room nor halbach’s blood. Avery leaves blood somehow in RAV4 WITHOUT leaving fingerprints?

Try it. Cut your finger, open a car door with it bleeding and try not to leave fingerprints. See how that works out for you.

As for the Halbach’s they’ll owe Avery and Dassey big apologies when they’re released and either Hillegas or Bobby Dassey are arrested.

So you have listened to the podcasts? The Ken Kratz BS is the physical evidence. You can't just throw that out because he is a personal train wreck. That doesn't change the physical evidence.

You don't think if Avery was cut and bleeding, he could have cleaned it up, removing the finger prints, and in haste missed the spots that were found? I believe they found bleach in the garage. How does DNA from sweat get under the hood of the car? How do the bones get intertwined with steel belts on a fire he was stoking at his residence? Her DNA was found on a bullet that was matched to Avery's gun.

So in your theory, she was killed by Hillegas or Bobby Dassey and then they worked together with the cops to frame Avery. Kratz was from Calumet County. So Kratz and Calumet County cops conspired with Manitowoc County cops on top of working with the real killers. Yeah Ok. It's unbelievable.

I won't post here any further. Have a nice day.

 

[WiscTJK]

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Here you go at 5:46. Ken Kratz/o’donnel’s Argument how cops were looking for dna not fingerprints. The very same cops who shat all over dna when it freed Avery earlier now suddenly look for dna vs fingerprints?!?!?!?

https://t.co/mAkChTEjvu

Last thing, he couldn't have had gloves on and wiped sweat from his head and that got on the latch (no fingerprints), or it was cleaned removing the fingerprints, but missed sweat? That's more believable than the Manitowoc and Calumet County cops conspired to frame him.

 

[solovsfett]

So you have listened to the podcasts? The Ken Kratz BS is the physical evidence. You can't just throw that out because he is a personal train wreck. That doesn't change the physical evidence.

You don't think if Avery was cut and bleeding, he could have cleaned it up, removing the finger prints, and in haste missed the spots that were found? I believe they found bleach in the garage. How does DNA from sweat get under the hood of the car? How do the bones get intertwined with steel belts on a fire he was stoking at his residence? Her DNA was found on a bullet that was matched to Avery's gun.

So in your theory, she was killed by Hillegas or Bobby Dassey and then they worked together with the cops to frame Avery. Kratz was from Calumet County. So Kratz and Calumet County cops conspired with Manitowoc County cops on top of working with the real killers. Yeah Ok. It's unbelievable.

I won't post here any further. Have a nice day.

Yes, I listened to Dan o’donnel On radio when the rebuttingva murderer was broadcast on 1130.

I throw out physical evidence that was planted. So yeah, everything Kratz describes. This is why science and not wild theories about Avery cleaning fingerprints but not blood are ridiculous. Blood is obviously more apparent to the eye than even a fingerprint in dust.

Also there was NO Halbach’s dna on the bullet. It was bits of wood and red paint. Proven by science not the bs theory of Kratz looking to lock up Avery.

I don’t Have a theory. The science says Avery didn’t commit rape or murder. If you’d watch mam2 you’d know your case, o’donnells And Kratz is dead now.

Nothing can be done now except watch with incredulity and fascination the state of Wisconsin bury themselves so deeply there is no way out for them.

 

[solovsfett]

Oh regurgitating your post works just fine, since it made zero sense. My original post with links is exactly the same way Solo is presenting the defense arguments. The difference is it takes the side of a young woman who lost her life to these murderers.

So it's OK for Solo to present one side, but your too lazy to present and too lazy to listen to a podcast. You just like to criticize. That's fine. Stick your head back in the ground.

Quoting Kathleen Zellner, is quoting a one sided argument. It's ok for Solo to post links, but not me to post links that sink every argument that the defense has presented. That is adding to thread, even if you don't believe it.

Half of the links i’ve Posted are to motions from Zellner and rebuttals from the State.

In this case now you have the incontrovertible facts that police found Halbach’s bones on county land and furtively gave them to halbachvfamiky in 2011 without notifying defense counsel. They broke state statutes and federal law. No theory there, that is fact. So now the state has no idea what to do but stall while Zellner closes in on checkmate.

A good 1/2 dozen state employees will get indicted for this and you stand for them?

Do you know the cops threatened the coroner not to show up at avery’s?

 

[WiscTJK]

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If you’d watch mam2 you’d know your case, o’donnells And Kratz is dead now.

I watched it and listened to rebuttals. Doesn't change my belief that Avery and Dassey were the killers.

I stand for Theresa.

Avery pulled a gun a lady after running her off the road, he killed animals, he drew up torture chambers in prison before being release, he called her over to his house using *67 to block his identity, he stoked the fire where her bones were intertangled with steel belts, he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend.

But he is clean as the driven snow. He couldn't have done this murder. He was framed by the real murderers, and 3 different law enforcement agencies.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Avery pulled a gun a lady after running her off the road, he killed animals, he drew up torture chambers in prison before being release, he called her over to his house using *67 to block his identity, he stoked the fire where her bones were intertangled with steel belts, he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend.

LMAO. This is why it's not worth bothering to listen to that entire podcast, it just goes into details about things not even remotely relevant to the actual case itself and is basically just inadmissible character evidence. I don't think anyone here thinks Avery is some great person either.

 

[solovsfett]

I watched it and listened to rebuttals. Doesn't change my belief that Avery and Dassey were the killers.

I stand for Theresa.

Avery pulled a gun a lady after running her off the road, he killed animals, he drew up torture chambers in prison before being release, he called her over to his house using *67 to block his identity, he stoked the fire where her bones were intertangled with steel belts, he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend.

But he is clean as the driven snow. He couldn't have done this murder. He was framed by the real murderers, and 3 different law enforcement agencies.

Then you know the sheriffs threatened the coroner not to come to avery’s House. You also then know that *67 crap was just that.

You also should be aware DCI posed as Auto Trader employees to get access to the salvage yard a full 8 months before hillegas or Bobby d or Scott committed the murder.

So Avery made big and stupid mistakes like playing chicken on the road with a deputy. Doesn’t mean anything. He threw a cat over a bonfire, cruel and stupid but not indicative of murder.

I don’t care what the corrupt cops say in Calumet or manitowoc nor what Wisconsin doj says in the cover-up as they’ve Been exposed badly. There are cops all over America who’ve Weighed in on this and they’re Largely stupefied.

I’ll take science for the win. You can have the cops. Zellner is 21-0.

 

[Kepler]

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I watched it and listened to rebuttals. Doesn't change my belief that Avery and Dassey were the killers.

I stand for Theresa.

Avery pulled a gun a lady after running her off the road, he killed animals, he drew up torture chambers in prison before being release, he called her over to his house using *67 to block his identity, he stoked the fire where her bones were intertangled with steel belts, he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend.

But he is clean as the driven snow. He couldn't have done this murder. He was framed by the real murderers, and 3 different law enforcement agencies.

After watching the original series my impression is that the lawyers, judges, and cops of that area should all be dropped into the middle of the ocean. Avery could still be guilty, sure. He's obviously about as moral as the average Dumpy. But the backwoods Joe Six Packs of this country are supposed to be like that. The people in positions of authority in that series are the ones who freak me out. They belong in ISIS, not the US.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I watched it and listened to rebuttals. Doesn't change my belief that Avery and Dassey were the killers.

I stand for Theresa.

Avery pulled a gun a lady after running her off the road, he killed animals, he drew up torture chambers in prison before being release, he called her over to his house using *67 to block his identity, he stoked the fire where her bones were intertangled with steel belts, he threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend.

But he is clean as the driven snow. He couldn't have done this murder. He was framed by the real murderers, and 3 different law enforcement agencies.

no one is going to argue that Avery is an unsavory character but I'm not at all convinced that he did this beyond a reasonable doubt.