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Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
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Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
I suppose at this point it will be fun to speculate and identify the best candidates. Here is a link highlighting some logical candidates:
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/04/...es-to-replace-whitehead-as-black-bears-coach/
Also, here is an interesting perspective:
https://theduffelbag.bangordailynew...y-coach-should-not-be-rushed/?ref=blogswidget
I suppose at this point it will be fun to speculate and identify the best candidates. Here is a link highlighting some logical candidates:
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/04/...es-to-replace-whitehead-as-black-bears-coach/
Also, here is an interesting perspective:
https://theduffelbag.bangordailynew...y-coach-should-not-be-rushed/?ref=blogswidget
*** are you talking about? Corkum played some AHL GMs his first year or two out of college and then played over ten years in the NHL, over 700 games and was never sent down once in that ten year+ period. Montgomery was in and out and a minor leaguer. Let's not reinvent history.
One made over 4.5 million in NHL and the other probably collected 250-300k tops. You look stupid pretending their pro careers are even on the same planet. Stupid
Spare parts like you said corkum was don't play over 700 games and another 75+ in the playoffs and score over 300 pts, not counting playoffs. Montgomery was the spare part always being sent down. Corkhm stated ten+ years straight
FYI, The 4 years JM was at RPI they sucked and under achieved in playoffs every year. Did nothing the 2 + years after he left.
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Who gives a chit if the crowd gives the new coach a standing ovation on opening night? If the new guy tweaks the breakou, unleashes the hounds and gets his team to forecheck like Maine again that's what I'll cheer for. Clapping for a name coming out of the big inflatable Bear head isn't going to win hockey games.
Do a search, get the right guy. Get the guy who can get the most out of what's here, what's coming and can add to it. Whomever it may be
Who gives a chit if the crowd gives the new coach a standing ovation on opening night? If the new guy tweaks the breakou, unleashes the hounds and gets his team to forecheck like Maine again that's what I'll cheer for. Clapping for a name coming out of the big inflatable Bear head isn't going to win hockey games.
Do a search, get the right guy. Get the guy who can get the most out of what's here, what's coming and can add to it. Whomever it may be
UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
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I don't have it in me to read back through the four or five pages since I checked in last night. Who talked to whom and when? Jimmy likes tDash, Stevie likes Jimmy and Bobby and Pelly and a few others (he's not too picky), Bobby likes all of us and will KICK A55, some of us like Jimmy, others like Bobby, everybody loved Shawn, and nobody could stand TIMMAY! I'm starting to feel like a Jr. High girl, and I can't take it any more. I'll be back when some sanity has been restored.
I don't have it in me to read back through the four or five pages since I checked in last night. Who talked to whom and when? Jimmy likes tDash, Stevie likes Jimmy and Bobby and Pelly and a few others (he's not too picky), Bobby likes all of us and will KICK A55, some of us like Jimmy, others like Bobby, everybody loved Shawn, and nobody could stand TIMMAY! I'm starting to feel like a Jr. High girl, and I can't take it any more. I'll be back when some sanity has been restored.
Nope, like RPI. Fully believe though that Union is a superior program. Have strong connections at both schools including cousin from RPI Nate Marsters, goalie there who got killed in a car/deer accident few years back...
walrus
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Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
He ought to be coaching at his alma mater PC and Leaman heading up here. Win win and everyone except those of us who feel Jimmy shouldnt have been excluded from the national search by our illustrious AD is happy.
Legitimate question though, why didnt Bennett end up in the PC vacancy?
He ought to be coaching at his alma mater PC and Leaman heading up here. Win win and everyone except those of us who feel Jimmy shouldnt have been excluded from the national search by our illustrious AD is happy.
Legitimate question though, why didnt Bennett end up in the PC vacancy?
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
I'll repeat verbatim, just in case you didn't get it the first time around. Corkum had a marginally better NHL career, but let's face it - his single best year was after he was taken by Anaheim out of the Buffalo organization in the expansion draft. Before then he was a 4th liner at best who also spent a ton of time in the AHL. After that, his most productive stretch was a three year stretch as a 3rd/4th line player on some mediocre Phoenix teams. After that, he finished up his NHL career as a spare part.
Who are you - Corkum's personal accountant? Monty probably made more than Rocket Richard did over RR's entire NHL career. Based on your figures, Corkum no doubt made more than Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito combined. Relevance??????????
Correction - Corkum scored exactly 200 points in his 720 game NHL career. That's an average of about 20 points/season. For a forward. That's 4th line standard, no?
After 23 goals in his big breakout year with the expansion Ducks, the rest of his career goal scoring per season after that? 10, 9, 9, 12, 9, 5, 7, 3
And as far as his career in the NHL playoffs, his teams advanced past the first round twice. The 2001 NJ Devils made it to the Finals, but that was a season where Corkum was a spare part who played in 12 of their 25 playoff games, scoring 1 goal and 2 assists.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1099
I don't mean to belittle Corkum's NHL career, but if you think there is a huge gap in talent between 3rd/4th line players in mediocre organizations, and 4th liners/spare parts in better organizations - especially in the NHL pre-salary cap days - then I think you are chasing meaningless numbers, and are dismissing why organizations are strong (depth in talent) and others are weak. Again, think back to what was Corkum's big professional break. Expansion draft. And kudos to Corkum, he made the most of it. But you can't say or even infer that Monty "quit" or came up short for lack of trying. If he was a bigger guy like Corkum was, then maybe his NHL teams would have been more patient.
Before you dismiss that last point, consider this for a minute. Stats for the first 3 years of these players' post-NCAA NHL careers (first 4 years for Corkum):
Jim Montgomery: 85 games, 8 goals, 17 assists, 25 points
Martin St. Louis: 69 games; 4 goals, 16 assists, 20 points
Bob Corkum: 96 games, 10 goals, 8 assists, 18 points
None of this is relevant to who will make a better D-1 head coach. Corkum's next game as a D-1 head coach will be his first. Ditto for Monty. We'll see what happens.
I'll repeat verbatim, just in case you didn't get it the first time around. Corkum had a marginally better NHL career, but let's face it - his single best year was after he was taken by Anaheim out of the Buffalo organization in the expansion draft. Before then he was a 4th liner at best who also spent a ton of time in the AHL. After that, his most productive stretch was a three year stretch as a 3rd/4th line player on some mediocre Phoenix teams. After that, he finished up his NHL career as a spare part.
Who are you - Corkum's personal accountant? Monty probably made more than Rocket Richard did over RR's entire NHL career. Based on your figures, Corkum no doubt made more than Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito combined. Relevance??????????
Correction - Corkum scored exactly 200 points in his 720 game NHL career. That's an average of about 20 points/season. For a forward. That's 4th line standard, no?
After 23 goals in his big breakout year with the expansion Ducks, the rest of his career goal scoring per season after that? 10, 9, 9, 12, 9, 5, 7, 3
And as far as his career in the NHL playoffs, his teams advanced past the first round twice. The 2001 NJ Devils made it to the Finals, but that was a season where Corkum was a spare part who played in 12 of their 25 playoff games, scoring 1 goal and 2 assists.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1099
I don't mean to belittle Corkum's NHL career, but if you think there is a huge gap in talent between 3rd/4th line players in mediocre organizations, and 4th liners/spare parts in better organizations - especially in the NHL pre-salary cap days - then I think you are chasing meaningless numbers, and are dismissing why organizations are strong (depth in talent) and others are weak. Again, think back to what was Corkum's big professional break. Expansion draft. And kudos to Corkum, he made the most of it. But you can't say or even infer that Monty "quit" or came up short for lack of trying. If he was a bigger guy like Corkum was, then maybe his NHL teams would have been more patient.
Before you dismiss that last point, consider this for a minute. Stats for the first 3 years of these players' post-NCAA NHL careers (first 4 years for Corkum):
Jim Montgomery: 85 games, 8 goals, 17 assists, 25 points
Martin St. Louis: 69 games; 4 goals, 16 assists, 20 points
Bob Corkum: 96 games, 10 goals, 8 assists, 18 points
None of this is relevant to who will make a better D-1 head coach. Corkum's next game as a D-1 head coach will be his first. Ditto for Monty. We'll see what happens.
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Chuckie, why do you waste so much time trying to insinuate Montgomery will be a better head coach than Corkum? Do you UHN fans really have that huge of an inferiority complex phercrissakes ? Between you and NCAA wather whining about Corkum throwing Timmay under the bus and your infatuation with who has bigger coaching balls, it gets a bit obnoxious. Go worry about whistlin Dicks future.
Chuckie, why do you waste so much time trying to insinuate Montgomery will be a better head coach than Corkum? Do you UHN fans really have that huge of an inferiority complex phercrissakes ? Between you and NCAA wather whining about Corkum throwing Timmay under the bus and your infatuation with who has bigger coaching balls, it gets a bit obnoxious. Go worry about whistlin Dicks future.
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Well, it is annoying to have other team's fans entertaining their morbid curiosities. Who doesn't like to look at a good train wreck from time to time.
At the same time, I think Chuck actually made some sense to a point where I can invest time to read, digest, and think of it. This is much better than I can remember his posts typically being.
But it is sort of like - don't confuse a family feud with an opportunity to make friends... you might find yourself the brunt of a lot of pent up frustration.
Given this, please have at Chuck.
Sorry Chuck, I couldn't resist.
Well, it is annoying to have other team's fans entertaining their morbid curiosities. Who doesn't like to look at a good train wreck from time to time.
At the same time, I think Chuck actually made some sense to a point where I can invest time to read, digest, and think of it. This is much better than I can remember his posts typically being.
But it is sort of like - don't confuse a family feud with an opportunity to make friends... you might find yourself the brunt of a lot of pent up frustration.
Given this, please have at Chuck.
Sorry Chuck, I couldn't resist. FiveHole12
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Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
Of course it matters what these guys did in the NHL.
I know one thing. If any of these guys are all about me, me, me, as Hoky suggests, then they won't accomplish squat no matter where they're coaching. We, we, we works well... telling a recruit what 'we' can do to improve his game and overall development, and what the recruit can do for 'us' to help make this a better team. No 18-20 year old kid wants to hear how much money some washed up NHL'er made in his career, or how many hours he played. For that matter, neither do I.
Wait... didn't Shawn Walsh win like 20 Stanley Cups? After being a 3rd string NCAA goalie? Impressive stuff.
Of course it matters what these guys did in the NHL.
I know one thing. If any of these guys are all about me, me, me, as Hoky suggests, then they won't accomplish squat no matter where they're coaching. We, we, we works well... telling a recruit what 'we' can do to improve his game and overall development, and what the recruit can do for 'us' to help make this a better team. No 18-20 year old kid wants to hear how much money some washed up NHL'er made in his career, or how many hours he played.
For that matter, neither do I. Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
He certainly has a grace period in my book. If Fans are not giving him a grace period then those people are not rational fans.
I don't understand how anyone can expect the team to be a national contender over night. He will deserve the chance to turn the team around as any other coach would be afforded. The process shouldn't reflect on corkrum. If people can't see that then it's there own immaturity of not getting what they wanted.
I'll say this, very few thought that whitehead would actually be fired and he was, abbott did that and it wasn't easy, he needs to afforded some respect for that. It's like this forum is a bunch of teenagers who cry everytime they don't get what they want. Blake james is gone, whitehead got fired, bob even posted a message on here. You guys have screamed for so long about whitehead being out of touch with fans ectt and bob actually tries to get engaged woth the fans, amazing!
There is a very good chance that monty wouldn't have taking this job, way better pay denver maybe 100k more a year.
The process has not been perfect to this point at all, but I will be behind corkrum and will give him a couple of season s to right the ship.
He certainly has a grace period in my book. If Fans are not giving him a grace period then those people are not rational fans.
I don't understand how anyone can expect the team to be a national contender over night. He will deserve the chance to turn the team around as any other coach would be afforded. The process shouldn't reflect on corkrum. If people can't see that then it's there own immaturity of not getting what they wanted.
I'll say this, very few thought that whitehead would actually be fired and he was, abbott did that and it wasn't easy, he needs to afforded some respect for that. It's like this forum is a bunch of teenagers who cry everytime they don't get what they want. Blake james is gone, whitehead got fired, bob even posted a message on here. You guys have screamed for so long about whitehead being out of touch with fans ectt and bob actually tries to get engaged woth the fans, amazing!
There is a very good chance that monty wouldn't have taking this job, way better pay denver maybe 100k more a year.
The process has not been perfect to this point at all, but I will be behind corkrum and will give him a couple of season s to right the ship.
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carltonbarrett
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Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
He's gonna need more than a couple seasons to improve the talent. Remember, TIMMAY's recruits are coming for at least another year or two so that means a guaranteed roster full of 3rd and 4th line types for the near future. He could try to convince some kids that they would be better off going elsewhere due to a lack of playing time, but that is always a slippery slope. It even took York like 4 years to get BC back on track and that was only after bringing in some sick recruits like Reasoner, Farkas, Mottau and Gionta.
He's gonna need more than a couple seasons to improve the talent. Remember, TIMMAY's recruits are coming for at least another year or two so that means a guaranteed roster full of 3rd and 4th line types for the near future. He could try to convince some kids that they would be better off going elsewhere due to a lack of playing time, but that is always a slippery slope. It even took York like 4 years to get BC back on track and that was only after bringing in some sick recruits like Reasoner, Farkas, Mottau and Gionta.
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Maybe the money came from corkum to get rid of timmay
Maybe the money came from corkum to get rid of timmay
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season
Nail on the head IMO... If TW had been ousted instead of extended, Corkum could've had his chance to succeed or fail by now, and the timing re: possibly hiring Jimmy would have been perfect. In any case, those three wasted seasons are going to be very difficult to overcome.
Still, ya gotta assume that Jimmy realizes that he was on Maine's short list, and took the DU job in spite of that fact. Money talks; always has.
Nail on the head IMO... If TW had been ousted instead of extended, Corkum could've had his chance to succeed or fail by now, and the timing re: possibly hiring Jimmy would have been perfect. In any case, those three wasted seasons are going to be very difficult to overcome.
Still, ya gotta assume that Jimmy realizes that he was on Maine's short list, and took the DU job in spite of that fact. Money talks; always has.
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