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Maine Offseason 2020: We Stay Home But Swayman Leaves

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I think you are putting an inordinate amount of faith in Guite playing on a team that won a title and being in the NHL. Maine isn't hiring him to play hockey. Those are very different skills than being a coach. Lots of guys have been NCAA champions- 25 or so per year! Heck, ticapnews has a championship ring, get him in there! Even more guys play in the NHL each year! Are all of them qualified head coaches?

Agreed. To further your points, Guite played parts of five (5) seasons in the NHL, with two of those seasons being less than 10 games, and really only played one season where he was a regular (Avs in '07/'08 79 games) fourth line forward. For the most part he was an AHL player who had a 3 year spin as roster depth in Colorado. What's he gonna tell his recruits? "Hey, I was there when the great Joe Sakic was breaking down at the end of his career"? NHL player, for sure, congrats, but like you said, NHL guys like Guite are a dime a dozen, let's be real here. By comparison, Bob Corkum's relatively nondescript NHL career looks like frickin' Mario Lemieux.

Meanwhile, Walshy was a 3rd string goalie at Bowling Green, never played a minute in anger.

One was/is a legendary coach. The other isn't (yet, anyway).
 
Souza was on a team that hit a goalpost in OT if a National Championship game. He knows what winning looks like - so far that hasn’t translated in the least, and his teams look exactly like the final handful of Umile clubs...
 
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Speculation or insider information of some kind?

They’ll be a lot of conflicting information come out over the next week and we won’t really know until it’s announced what is legit and not legit. If Guite isn’t at the front of the pack hopefully that means there are some really strong candidates in the mix.
 
As much as I appreciate the sincere vote of confidence AMC, I'm going to pass. Too much of a commute and I don't want to relocate to eastern Maine.
 
Insider information of some kind.

It might end up being Guite, but that will mean someone else said “no”.

Very interesting.

Assuming you are telling the truth, I assume there's limited information you can give us. Is the name they're looking at someone that gets mentioned in this thread much?
 
it's time to move on from the Gendron era.

True ... but isn't the bigger question - the true elephant in the room - is it time to move on from the Walsh era? Grant was an integral part and stayed on long-term, and Tim was hand-picked by Walsh prior to his passing to lead the program if Walsh didn't make it through his ordeal. Red was part of the Walsh program earlier; Corkum and Guite were SW's players. Walsh era extensions, one and all.

In essence, I think UMaine Hockey to date has largely been the story of one man - a guy who took a fledgling D-1 program from nowhere to the very top of the mountain, and whose legacy has since lasted for another two full decades, with Tim and Red and various player/assistants all trying to replicate the magic of the original. Arguably Standbrook was the last true link inside of Walsh's inner sanctum, and when he retired, UMaine's fading results predictably began to fall off more quickly. But all in all, the overall approach by the UMaine athletic department was to draft off Walsh's memory as long as possible. Not that there's anything wrong with that; clearly, Walsh's planning and presence kept UMaine competitive for some time after.

Even now, looking at the folks being discussed ... in addition to some of those mentioned above, there's Monty and Capuano and Moore who get mentioned, and at least two of those guys seemingly have moved on for good. So people are still not wanting to move away from the Walsh legacy, and I totally get that. But 20 years after his passing, the succession plan of "hire Walsh's guys to run the program like Walshy" seems to be running on fumes. Mind you, we had our own HC at UNH who fancied the idea of creating his own long-term legacy. I don't think it lasted more than 20 months, or 20 weeks even.

It remains to be seen if UMaine hires a guy like Cam Ellsworth. Ironically, like Walsh, his playing experience as a nondescript goalie (albeit a 4 year starter at Michigan Tech) is his foundation. But only if/when UMaine does hire someone from outside the large Walsh umbrella that has since served the program for the last 20 years, will there be a break from the Walsh Era.

+++++++++++++++

As an aside ... when folks say Walshy was a next-level planner, the Whitehead hire has to be Exhibit A in his favor; can you even begin to imagine the process, where SW is in the fight of his life, knows it down to the ground, and finds the energy to pursue his own replacement?!? First, there's probably a discussion with GS where Grant confirms he's quite content with his regular #2 role, then there's a discussion with the AD regarding the need to add another full-salary coach to the staff, due to his perilous medical condition, and THEN there are discussions with TW, other staff and the returning players on how this will all be playing out? While most HEA coaches were chilling by the lake during the offseason, Walsh was protecting his legacy.
 
Very interesting.

Assuming you are telling the truth, I assume there's limited information you can give us. Is the name they're looking at someone that gets mentioned in this thread much?

Obviously, what I’m being told could be junk, but I’m not being deceitful here. I hear the frontrunner has been discussed here. I do not think it will be Cam Ellsworth either.

I’m not super close to this thing, but I know people who are closer than all of us and I share what I can without betraying confidences.

Time will tell, but I’m told the plan is not to just give the job to Ben Guite.
 
Obviously, what I’m being told could be junk, but I’m not being deceitful here. I hear the frontrunner has been discussed here. I do not think it will be Cam Ellsworth either.

I’m not super close to this thing, but I know people who are closer than all of us and I share what I can without betraying confidences.

Time will tell, but I’m told the plan is not to just give the job to Ben Guite.

I hear you. Thanks for giving what tidbits you can, it's all very interesting.

That being said, with all the information you've given us, I hope the frontrunner is Barr. I'd be absolutely thrilled if that was the hire.
 
Bottom line is pretty obvious.

Maine is up S*it Creek without a paddle.

The roster is lousy, kinda like UNH, and who would want either job?
 
Ben Barr would be great for a lot of different reasons. I know some folks don't want it, but I love he has strong ties to people associates with Maine. He coached a year with Montgomery and obviously Leaman was his mentor so that makes him part of Shawn's coaching tree as far as I'm concerned. Ken Ralph would have been AD when he was playing at RPI so that connection probably helps as well. He makes much, much more sense than Cam Ellsworth.

It will be interesting how he handles the transition if he gets the job. Typically the assistant coaches are made to walk the plank but where Ben and Alfie were both heroes on a national championship team it is a little more sensitive than normal. I think there are probably a dozen to 15 guys on the roster or recruits you want to keep as well.
 
Ben Barr would be great for a lot of different reasons. I know some folks don't want it, but I love he has strong ties to people associates with Maine. He coached a year with Montgomery and obviously Leaman was his mentor so that makes him part of Shawn's coaching tree as far as I'm concerned. Ken Ralph would have been AD when he was playing at RPI so that connection probably helps as well. He makes much, much more sense than Cam Ellsworth.

It will be interesting how he handles the transition if he gets the job. Typically the assistant coaches are made to walk the plank but where Ben and Alfie were both heroes on a national championship team it is a little more sensitive than normal. I think there are probably a dozen to 15 guys on the roster or recruits you want to keep as well.

You make some crazy statements my man. As I said previously, I don't think it's going to be Ellsworth. I think I know who it will be. But to say Barr makes "much, much more sense than Ellsworth" is a crazy exaggeration. You do know one guy is already a head coach, right? A head coach who has had success everywhere, in every role. One who took over a power program and, I believe, IMPROVED the winning %. Not easy to do.

I don't know Cam Ellsworth personally, so don't take it that way. But I do have a pretty informed perspective on coaches/coaching and I'm not sure you have properly prioritized what makes coaches successful.
 
Nice story but...

You know how I like nice stories, Wally. I trust I must have missed some nuance in the initial circumstances of Whitehead's hire? But that's how I remembered it (admittedly, 20 years can fog some details) and I went with it. I know it's not the BDN or the first hand stuff you guys on here often deal with, but here's a link to a couple items I picked up on the topic (amazing how hard older stuff is to access) on some random search engines:

ESPN.com: NCAA - Doing it for coach

Despite the severity of the treatments, which also included the removal of his left kidney and lung in the 15 months he lived with the disease, Walsh fully expected he would be back behind the Maine bench for the start of practice in September.

"We don't expect to see the tumor-fighting results until a few more months down the line, but all the indications so far point to a successful conclusion," Walsh said last summer.

But Walsh needed someone he was comfortable with to run the team just in case health issues forced him to miss any hockey time. He called on friend and former assistant Tim Whitehead, who had just completed a five-year run as the head coach at UMass-Lowell.

"Tim will help us keep consistency in our program. He knows our system and he knows the league inside-out," Walsh said when he hired Whitehead as an assistant on Sept. 7, 2001. "He's a top-notch teacher and coach that will add a lot to the success of our program."

Seventeen days later, Walsh was gone and Whitehead was named the interim head coach.


Maine Hires Whitehead As Head Coach (michigansthumb.com) - except of an Associated Press item?

Whitehead, a former coach at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell, was hand-picked by Walsh as an assistant who could take over in the event his health took a turn for the worse. Whitehead was a scout for the Vancouver Canucks before joining Walsh.

Again, apologies if I missed some nuance, but I did try to avoid outright fiction/creative writing on this, I know the topic is near and dear to UMaine-iacs (rightly so) so I wanted to handle it properly.
 
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