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Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn

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Drew S. said:
The fact that its illegal in this country to do what Maine wants to do overseas tells you how ethical it is. I also wonder how profitable those kids really are if you have to pay 25% (front loaded) to someone else. The focus needs to shift from trying to raise revenue so no one in administration gets laid off to what is the most effective way to educate Maine kids given the resources available. I think they need to look at reducing supply if there is excess capacity and also utilize new technology. It's doubtful any of that will happen though.
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It's about more than just not laying off administration. The fact is Maine is getting older. In order to maintain the programs the University offers now, it needs a certain enrollment. If class sizes drop too low, some majors become too costly per student. If Maine doesn't have enough graduate students to sustain a graduate program for a particular science or engineering major it means that research conducted in that program will come to an end (and grant money that funds that research will go somewhere else). University research is an important factor in the local economy, and can lead to spin off ventures or technology licensing revenue.

The fact is Maine needs to attract more and more students "from away" just to keep things running, and without a research University in our state we are really dooming ourselves.

I do think they need to eliminate some of the smaller programs from the other Universities and send those students to UMaine. Physics at USM is an unfortunate example. They also probably don't need two universities in northern Maine. Have some distance learning centers for the non-traditional students working on their degrees.
 
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walrus said:
Since when is college athletics about how many people watch?
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Because college athletics is now just a business. It's all about the $$ and nothing else. And if nobody's watchin' they aren't making any $$. The NCAA should be abolished.
 
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Because college athletics is now just a business. It's all about the $$ and nothing else. And if nobody's watchin' they aren't making any $$. The NCAA should be abolished.
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So at umaine that's leaves men's hockey
 
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BassAle said:
It's about more than just not laying off administration. The fact is Maine is getting older. In order to maintain the programs the University offers now, it needs a certain enrollment. If class sizes drop too low, some majors become too costly per student. If Maine doesn't have enough graduate students to sustain a graduate program for a particular science or engineering major it means that research conducted in that program will come to an end (and grant money that funds that research will go somewhere else). University research is an important factor in the local economy, and can lead to spin off ventures or technology licensing revenue.

The fact is Maine needs to attract more and more students "from away" just to keep things running, and without a research University in our state we are really dooming ourselves.

I do think they need to eliminate some of the smaller programs from the other Universities and send those students to UMaine. Physics at USM is an unfortunate example. They also probably don't need two universities in northern Maine. Have some distance learning centers for the non-traditional students working on their degrees.
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Do Maine kids really need this fancy book-learnin' anyway? Put them to work in the service industry. McDonald's is always hiring and we can use them to pick potatoes and blueberries. Kids who want an edumacation can pay to go to one of the BBC schools or out of state.
 
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Matt Strickrott of Guilford, NH has been added to the team as an emergency goalie. He will only see practice time barring a few unforeseen injuries. He saw mop up duty with Jr. Monarchs in EJ and played previously with the Monarchs Empire team.
 
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BassAle said:
It's about more than just not laying off administration. The fact is Maine is getting older. In order to maintain the programs the University offers now, it needs a certain enrollment. If class sizes drop too low, some majors become too costly per student. If Maine doesn't have enough graduate students to sustain a graduate program for a particular science or engineering major it means that research conducted in that program will come to an end (and grant money that funds that research will go somewhere else). University research is an important factor in the local economy, and can lead to spin off ventures or technology licensing revenue.

The fact is Maine needs to attract more and more students "from away" just to keep things running, and without a research University in our state we are really dooming ourselves.

I do think they need to eliminate some of the smaller programs from the other Universities and send those students to UMaine. Physics at USM is an unfortunate example. They also probably don't need two universities in northern Maine. Have some distance learning centers for the non-traditional students working on their degrees.
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Very true. Another example is electrical engineering at USM. Unfortunately, politics rule and trying to bring change and eliminate duplication of programs comes very slowly if at all.
 
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Runsub5 said:
Very true. Another example is electrical engineering at USM. Unfortunately, politics rule and trying to bring change and eliminate duplication of programs comes very slowly if at all.
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what are you saying about EE at USM?
I have no idea what the enrollment is in that program, but it seems to me that that is a program that he University system ought to try and keep.

Kids who graduate with an EE degree have a chance of landing a job, and a job that pays over $50-60K to start, while kids with degrees in English better know how to differentiate between a latte and a cuppuchino (I think).

But I do agree that there needs to be a lot of consolidation and a lot of administration cutting
 
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MaineHockeyMom said:
what are you saying about EE at USM?
I have no idea what the enrollment is in that program, but it seems to me that that is a program that he University system ought to try and keep.g
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UMaine and USM are competing for the same students,
 
BassAle said:
It's about more than just not laying off administration. The fact is Maine is getting older. In order to maintain the programs the University offers now, it needs a certain enrollment. If class sizes drop too low, some majors become too costly per student. If Maine doesn't have enough graduate students to sustain a graduate program for a particular science or engineering major it means that research conducted in that program will come to an end (and grant money that funds that research will go somewhere else). University research is an important factor in the local economy, and can lead to spin off ventures or technology licensing revenue.

The fact is Maine needs to attract more and more students "from away" just to keep things running, and without a research University in our state we are really dooming ourselves.

I do think they need to eliminate some of the smaller programs from the other Universities and send those students to UMaine. Physics at USM is an unfortunate example. They also probably don't need two universities in northern Maine. Have some distance learning centers for the non-traditional students working on their degrees.
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Maine can't be all things to all people. I agree wholeheartedly on the engineering program, if anything Maine should put more resources towards it. If there is a program the system does not offer a kid can always go out of state.

The problem numbers wise isn't just in Maine, nationwide there are fewer people between the ages 6-18 as there are between 18-30. I think you'll see a lot of schools have trouble in the next 10 years or so. What I would like to see Maine do is scale back on UMFK, UMM, and UMPI type schools. I think the system would be better off investing those dollars elsewhere and with online classes/community colleges you don't need those schools spread throughout the state. I think they should look to offer a cheap way kids can get an associate or bachelors degree through the online/CC program. The second part would be investing more money in Umaine so they can make it more of a top school and expand the programs they are successful in. I read today that only 36% of kids graduate from Umaine in four years, which I think says quite a bit about how the current administration is doing.
 
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Drew S. said:
When other schools are paying $100K+ a year you're certainly not going to get the best and brightest for $45K a year. Its pretty embarrassing the school can't come up with a little bit more than that, especially when it has a proud tradition in hockey.
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Minor possible infraction. According to the Maine Hockey Journal:

The NCAA has been notified that the university is investigating possible compliance concerns. The school is currently investigating whether NCAA bylaws restricting the number of hours student-athletes spent in activities directed or supervised by the coaching staff were violated.
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Drew S. said:
Maine can't be all things to all people. I agree wholeheartedly on the engineering program, if anything Maine should put more resources towards it. If there is a program the system does not offer a kid can always go out of state.

The problem numbers wise isn't just in Maine, nationwide there are fewer people between the ages 6-18 as there are between 18-30. I think you'll see a lot of schools have trouble in the next 10 years or so. What I would like to see Maine do is scale back on UMFK, UMM, and UMPI type schools. I think the system would be better off investing those dollars elsewhere and with online classes/community colleges you don't need those schools spread throughout the state. I think they should look to offer a cheap way kids can get an associate or bachelors degree through the online/CC program. The second part would be investing more money in Umaine so they can make it more of a top school and expand the programs they are successful in. I read today that only 36% of kids graduate from Umaine in four years, which I think says quite a bit about how the current administration is doing.
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It says a lot more about how the students have been doing, or what they have been doing;)
 
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walrus said:
UMaine and USM are competing for the same students,
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I am not 100% certain I agree with that.
I can promise that there is NOTHING that would have gotten me to go to USM when I was college-age... maybe the 2 universities are competing for many of the same students, but not all.
and I have no idea, but do kids from MAss and Penn and CT go to USM?
 
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You probably meant Brice O'Connor and Mark Anthoine. As of the Fenway Park announcement, no captains had been named. The two of them were there because they were seniors from the New England region. I think the two of them will have C's on their sweaters come October, but it wasn't official.
 
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CollegeHockeyRinkReport said:
You probably meant Brice O'Connor and Mark Anthoine. As of the Fenway Park announcement, no captains had been named. The two of them were there because they were seniors from the New England region. I think the two of them will have C's on their sweaters come October, but it wasn't official.
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yeah... brice o'connor, mark anthoine, and his brother connor anthoine (uvm)... how could i not screw that up
 
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