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Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?

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There was no mention of lower ticket prices that I saw.........

You are correct. I commented that their season tickets were priced out of line with other Hockey East teams. I also told them that after 40 years I would no longer be purchasing season tickets. I don't think most fans care about gifts or gimmicks. They want to see a quality team that wins more than 8 - 10 games a year.
 
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I don't envy the job the marketing guys at the school, its thankless and difficult work, but if you really believe people are buying tickets for chuck a puck when the team can't score and can't win you are delusional.
 
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I don't envy the job the marketing guys at the school, its thankless and difficult work, but if you really believe people are buying tickets for chuck a puck when the team can't score and can't win you are delusional.

The marketing group is surely in a difficult place right now with the hockey program.
However last year I noticed a significant decrease in the visibility of the program in the local news and other local media, not that there was a lot to report on. Many homes games were not well advertised nor mentioned in the news, if you weren't a real fan and knew the schedule you wouldn't even know there was a game that weekend. That's not good!

Aside from winning more games, wouldn't a little more effort to get the team doing some things in the community and covering that help to keep them in the public eye some more, as well with the students at the university? I'm sure some players would prefer not to do something like this but why not its good experience.
 
The marketing group is surely in a difficult place right now with the hockey program.
However last year I noticed a significant decrease in the visibility of the program in the local news and other local media, not that there was a lot to report on. Many homes games were not well advertised nor mentioned in the news, if you weren't a real fan and knew the schedule you wouldn't even know there was a game that weekend. That's not good!

Aside from winning more games, wouldn't a little more effort to get the team doing some things in the community and covering that help to keep them in the public eye some more, as well with the students at the university? I'm sure some players would prefer not to do something like this but why not its good experience.

I think part of that is there isn't as much local media in Maine. I believe the PPH stopped covering Maine games a few years ago and obviously 620 isn't around anymore. I think I read some of the local tv stations have cut back as well.

There are no easy solutions but I think a good starting place would be to price season tickets at $200 for non-donor seats and $300 for donor seats(some of the seats aren't even that great). For single games I would do $15 for non donor seats and $25 for donor seats and have the price the same for every game. They would do well to make the exhibition game free and schedule a bad team Maine could score seven or eight goals against. None of this will happen unfortunately and the place will probably be more empty than it was last year.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a radio station dedicated to UMaine athletics? They could have a recognizable voice, like Dale Duff, do a morning show and another during Drive Time. They could interview coaches and players, have fans call in to the show...all aimed at promoting UMaine athletics. The station wouldn't make a profit so it would have to be a labor of love by some wealthy alumnus.

Too bad there isn't one of those around.
 
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I think part of that is there isn't as much local media in Maine. I believe the PPH stopped covering Maine games a few years ago and obviously 620 isn't around anymore. I think I read some of the local tv stations have cut back as well.

There are no easy solutions but I think a good starting place would be to price season tickets at $200 for non-donor seats and $300 for donor seats(some of the seats aren't even that great). For single games I would do $15 for non donor seats and $25 for donor seats and have the price the same for every game. They would do well to make the exhibition game free and schedule a bad team Maine could score seven or eight goals against. None of this will happen unfortunately and the place will probably be more empty than it was last year.




The BDN does an outstanding job with it's UMaine sports coverage, and Larry and Pete Warner are two of the best in the business.
 
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I think part of that is there isn't as much local media in Maine. I believe the PPH stopped covering Maine games a few years ago and obviously 620 isn't around anymore. I think I read some of the local tv stations have cut back as well.

Mark Emmert did a great job covering Maine hockey (and other sports) the past few years, but has left to go take a job back in the Midwest where he's from. Best of luck to him.
 
Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?

I have been researching game-by-game actual home attendance (non-home 'home' games are excluded) for Hockey East teams. Maine's average attendance has dropped the past five seasons (although the median went up slightly in 15-16), but what I noticed is that after poor attendance in 2009-10 it spiked in 2010-11, before dropping sharply again in 2011-12. Maine had a better record in 2011-12, but attendance dropped significantly: the average dropped 491/game down 10% and the median dropped 568 down 11.4%. What was different about the 2010-11 season that attendance increased and there were 8 games which it topped 5000?

Sean
 
I have been researching game-by-game actual home attendance (non-home 'home' games are excluded) for Hockey East teams. Maine's average attendance has dropped the past five seasons (although the median went up slightly in 15-16), but what I noticed is that after poor attendance in 2009-10 it spiked in 2010-11, before dropping sharply again in 2011-12. Maine had a better record in 2011-12, but attendance dropped significantly: the average dropped 491/game down 10% and the median dropped 568 down 11.4%. What was different about the 2010-11 season that attendance increased and there were 8 games which it topped 5000?

Sean

The numbers are bogus. They use tickets 'sold' to calculate attendance even though they scan each ticket and surely that information is going somewhere. There have been games where they claimed the attendance was around 4K when there weren't half that many people there.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a radio station dedicated to UMaine athletics? They could have a recognizable voice, like Dale Duff, do a morning show and another during Drive Time. They could interview coaches and players, have fans call in to the show...all aimed at promoting UMaine athletics. The station wouldn't make a profit so it would have to be a labor of love by some wealthy alumnus.

Too bad there isn't one of those around.

Why don't you start it?
 
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Why don't you start it?

Sadly, I am far from wealthy. But if you want to give me the money, I'll be happy to do it. Even without the broadcast rights to the games it'd be worth it for me.
 
Wouldn't it be nice to have a radio station dedicated to UMaine athletics? They could have a recognizable voice, like Dale Duff, do a morning show and another during Drive Time. They could interview coaches and players, have fans call in to the show...all aimed at promoting UMaine athletics. The station wouldn't make a profit so it would have to be a labor of love by some wealthy alumnus.

Too bad there isn't one of those around.

Ill.bet the ratings on that would be astronomical, say at least 8 or 10 folks would listen. 92.9 talks maine sports, dale duff in the morning, another drive time show in afternoon. They cover maine athletics, their just isn't much to talk about other than women's bball
 
Ill.bet the ratings on that would be astronomical, say at least 8 or 10 folks would listen. 92.9 talks maine sports, dale duff in the morning, another drive time show in afternoon. They cover maine athletics, their just isn't much to talk about other than women's bball

How long has that been a sports station? It was always soft rock when I was growing up.
 
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How long has that been a sports station? It was always soft rock when I was growing up.
Several years, once WZON changed formats because they lost UMaine athletics, Dale was off the air for a few years. he and Clem finally got another go when the 92.9, the Ticket, changed formats to local and ESPN sports. Clem just moved on, so Dale has a new partner in the mornings. I listen to them during football season but they mostly talk Red Sox which sucks. They do talk Maine hockey during the season and if they actually had a team that was winning I'm sure there would be plenty of Maine hockey talk.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a radio station dedicated to UMaine athletics? They could have a recognizable voice, like Dale Duff, do a morning show and another during Drive Time. They could interview coaches and players, have fans call in to the show...all aimed at promoting UMaine athletics. The station wouldn't make a profit so it would have to be a labor of love by some wealthy alumnus.

Too bad there isn't one of those around.

"The Stand" or "Desperation"
 
I have been researching game-by-game actual home attendance (non-home 'home' games are excluded) for Hockey East teams. Maine's average attendance has dropped the past five seasons (although the median went up slightly in 15-16), but what I noticed is that after poor attendance in 2009-10 it spiked in 2010-11, before dropping sharply again in 2011-12. Maine had a better record in 2011-12, but attendance dropped significantly: the average dropped 491/game down 10% and the median dropped 568 down 11.4%. What was different about the 2010-11 season that attendance increased and there were 8 games which it topped 5000?

Sean

Nyquist maybe, he left after 2011 season.
 
Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?

These are questions I asked here and in other fan forums 2-3 years ago and the answer was always "Put a better team on the ice." That doesn't help John Diamond and the other marketing guys sell tickets. It handcuffs them. Then people complain when attendance suffers. Well, if you'd either tell them how you want them to build value into the season ticket or tell them that you don't care if they do promotions during the season that slash ticket prices, then they can go after the attendance problem. Or you can continue to give wise-@s$ answers and they will continue to be handcuffed; attendance will continue to drop, the Alfond will continue to be a morgue and the resources Red and Ben have to "put a better team on the ice" will get smaller and smaller. We're already at a point where the budget is a joke in Hockey East. Are you hoping it will become the laughingstock of the AHC as well?

What do they expect people to say, though? Why are season ticket holders expected to subsidize the team by paying a higher ticket price than those who buy single game tickets? I understand that they need to slash prices on single gamers to make it look like there are fans in the stands. But you are treating your core costumers like dirt. These people who are complaining aren't newcomers to the area or the product. They are season ticket holders since the early 1980's. They've spent a lot of money on tickets, on concessions, on parking, on donations, on merchandise. Most of us who are still around don't expect national championships anymore. I think we'd all settle for a basic competitiveness.

Asking these people who have been there for you for 30+ years to shell out more just because the team needs it is fine. That's called a donation. You have a list of everyone who has season tickets, and you know their addresses. Send them a letter saying "our budget is tiny compared to the HEA average, here's what we need to compete!" THAT is how you raise money from your core customer, not by making them pay more for the same thing that everyone else does. I would wager that every single person here is now or once was a regular donor to either UMaine hockey, UMaine athletics generally, Friends of Maine Hockey, etc. And I bet everyone felt good about it because at some level, that was their choice. They were invested in the team, they felt they were being treated fairly, and they were happy to help. Charging your season ticket holders more than it would cost for them to go to games isn't a voluntary contribution, it's a shakedown. But for a shakedown to work, the victim has to have no other options. Here, there are options.

It would be nice for season ticket holders to have free parking near the arena. It would be nice to get a hat or a scarf. But that isn't the "thank you" you give a donor (other than maybe the parking spot).

The level of trust between the athletic department and the fans in Orono is incredibly low. When Maine was first establishing itself as a hockey power, when the baseball team was going to Omaha, there was a feeling of "us" that pervaded the whole thing. And the athletic department fostered it well. "We" were going to Omaha. "We" were going to the Frozen Four. "We" were going to have a pregame pep rally at a bar outside the arena. When the NCAA came down on Walsh, it was an affront to us all.

That eroded slowly (then quickly in the Whitehead years). Shawn's death probably started it, but there were the off-field and off-ice incidents, there was the hiring of AD's from outside the program who didn't understand the effect of screwing over WZON, there was the Whitehead/Cosgrove/Woodward/Blodgett era of cozying up to major donors and keeping them happy at the expense of fans who just wanted to go to games and see wins and have fun. None of this is the current marketing team's fault, but it's what they are battling against. We are nearing our second decade of taking for granted that the fans would be there, so why listen to how upset they are about the direction of Maine hockey and Maine athletics?

Of course they are going to get wise *** answers. People are mad. It's going to take a lot more than a questionnaire to change that.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a radio station dedicated to UMaine athletics? They could have a recognizable voice, like Dale Duff, do a morning show and another during Drive Time. They could interview coaches and players, have fans call in to the show...all aimed at promoting UMaine athletics. The station wouldn't make a profit so it would have to be a labor of love by some wealthy alumnus.

Too bad there isn't one of those around.

There was a radio station in Madison that devoted an hour a day to only UW athletics. It was neat, they interviewed players and coaches from all sports. It didn't last......I'm still bitter. Obviously money talks and it didn't make enough and no alums put up cash to keep it going. I feel your pain.
 
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