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Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
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AMC
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
These guys are 7th round picks, its not like van Riemsdyk coming into UNH as a top 5 pick. They are fine. They aren't program changers.
These guys are 7th round picks, its not like van Riemsdyk coming into UNH as a top 5 pick. They are fine. They aren't program changers.
BBDiehard14
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You wouldn't want another guy like Colin shields? He was a sixth round pick. I don't want guys who come in, have one good year, and then leave. I don't understand why you and others are obsessed with some sort of quick fix/overnight miracle. It was always going to take some time for Maine to be successful again. You and others who are expecting it overnight are delusional.
AMC
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
I expect it overnight? My point is that these guys coming in aren't going to make any real difference between this year and next.
I don't think Maine will ever be "successful" like people define "successful." The default finish for Maine hockey will be like 8th/9th in Hockey East. A senior laden team maybe is 5th and on the fringes on NCAA discussion. A young team will be near the very bottom. This class doesn't change that expectation for me.
I expect it overnight? My point is that these guys coming in aren't going to make any real difference between this year and next.
I don't think Maine will ever be "successful" like people define "successful." The default finish for Maine hockey will be like 8th/9th in Hockey East. A senior laden team maybe is 5th and on the fringes on NCAA discussion. A young team will be near the very bottom. This class doesn't change that expectation for me.
Having young teams and old teams was a Timmy thing. You need to balance the classes and have a somewhat even mix. I see Maine being a fourth or fifth place team in an average year. I think they should make the NCAA's between 60 and 70 percent of the time. Time will tell but I think what Red and co have done recruiting the last couple years (2016, 2017, and 2018 classes) has laid a good foundation for Maine going forward.
AMC
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
60-70% of the time?????? I'm hoping for once a decade.
60-70% of the time?????? I'm hoping for once a decade.
Patman
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rufus
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
If, by overnight you mean three seasons now, and still no light in sight.
If, by overnight you mean three seasons now, and still no light in sight.
Three potentially four kids coming in who were drafted isn't progress?
BBDiehard14
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
We're not Kentucky basketball. I don't want any one-and-done's. That's not how you build a t-e-a-m as in team.
We're not Kentucky basketball. I don't want any one-and-done's. That's not how you build a t-e-a-m as in team.
AMC
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
Lot of good having a tight knit group is when they don't have any talent and can't score goals.
I don't think Maine is turning down one and done guys. But late round picks that don't score much in juniors aren't saviors. They can all group up and create a steady team that finishes in the middle of the pack when they are upperclassmen. That's fine. But you guys are the ones who want to be in the NCAAs 60-70% of the time. That takes very high end talent. This ain't it.
Lot of good having a tight knit group is when they don't have any talent and can't score goals.
I don't think Maine is turning down one and done guys. But late round picks that don't score much in juniors aren't saviors. They can all group up and create a steady team that finishes in the middle of the pack when they are upperclassmen. That's fine. But you guys are the ones who want to be in the NCAAs 60-70% of the time. That takes very high end talent. This ain't it.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Coach K was smart enough to understand today's climate. I'll go with coach K and take any one and done guys who will come to Maine.
In basketball you get 13 scholarships and only seven or eight guys play versus hockey with 18 scholarships and 20-23 guys playing depending on injuries. Kentucky is already out of this year's tourney and Duke will probably follow them tonight. I would be happy with the right one and done guy every few years but there aren't enough good ones coming through to use it all the time. Just look at Wisconsin.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Yeah, duke and Kentucky suck, neither one will win a NC this year. Follow D1 men's bball before this year?
I don't think anyone wants 18 one and dones
Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
I do, and both programs were much better before they started the one and done thing.
Its hard to figure out exactly what some posters do want.
I do, and both programs were much better before they started the one and done thing.
Its hard to figure out exactly what some posters do want.
NorthMike
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
Theres truth in all of this. My 2 cents worth.
10 years ago the boat was sailing along merrily with a good onshore breeze in cobscook bay on a blue bird day at high tide. Next thing you know after a few toddies its low tide and the keel is stuck deep in the muck. The coaching staff is now piloting it out to deep water again while dragging the keel for a long while.
It takes a roster full of decent talent kids who can grind out a season and play like a team. Do the recruits and many returning kids not seem to fit this profile? I’m somewhat optimistic.
Since it hit bottom, getting one and dones just ain’t in the cards right now anyway. The team isn't going to build immediate success with that sort of strategy right now.
Continue building the decent roster, instill the program system, get some goal tending and when and if we can get a high recruit one and doner - hope they fit in as a team player and work well with all, the chance is this could launch a decent season and what is needed for program.
Theres truth in all of this. My 2 cents worth.
10 years ago the boat was sailing along merrily with a good onshore breeze in cobscook bay on a blue bird day at high tide. Next thing you know after a few toddies its low tide and the keel is stuck deep in the muck. The coaching staff is now piloting it out to deep water again while dragging the keel for a long while.
It takes a roster full of decent talent kids who can grind out a season and play like a team. Do the recruits and many returning kids not seem to fit this profile? I’m somewhat optimistic.
Since it hit bottom, getting one and dones just ain’t in the cards right now anyway. The team isn't going to build immediate success with that sort of strategy right now.
Continue building the decent roster, instill the program system, get some goal tending and when and if we can get a high recruit one and doner - hope they fit in as a team player and work well with all, the chance is this could launch a decent season and what is needed for program.
BBDiehard14
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Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
Given that he's a '95 and the league he was recruited from, my guess is he is a depth guy, and that the only playing time he'll see is in exhibition games.
Given that he's a '95 and the league he was recruited from, my guess is he is a depth guy, and that the only playing time he'll see is in exhibition games.
Re: Maine Black Bears - Return to the Glory Years or On to Oblivion?
If you have 3 goalies you then have NO goalies. If you have 4 goalies, but the 4th has to sit a year then you still have 3 which = NO goalies. Thus if you have 5 goalies, minus one who sits out a year then what you are doing is praying you have a goalie!!
He's a recruited walk-on who started playing goalie in hockey later in his maturation process. What you are really trying to do is catch lightning in a bottle with him! Hell since 3 = 0, maybe 4 can = 1!???
If you have 3 goalies you then have NO goalies. If you have 4 goalies, but the 4th has to sit a year then you still have 3 which = NO goalies. Thus if you have 5 goalies, minus one who sits out a year then what you are doing is praying you have a goalie!!
He's a recruited walk-on who started playing goalie in hockey later in his maturation process. What you are really trying to do is catch lightning in a bottle with him! Hell since 3 = 0, maybe 4 can = 1!???
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