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LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

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My understanding through posts by Mr. 3dognight were that there was additional funding put into the budget for recruiting, goalie camps, advertising and a fundraising match. Aslo, there was effort put in by all the A.D.'s and presidents to merge what was left of the CCHA and WCHA. Also, Coach Roque was given an extended contract a few years ago. I think this is specific or was that question only for Mr. Bill.
I can't help but want to look back and read all the posts by people that tried to warn us about what went on behind the scenes. An overdo decision was made to make a change. It is almost unanimously supported by everyone involved with Laker Hockey, even the players from what I have been told. Is your group going to continue this until the A.D. is let go? Seems to me the shoe is on the other foot now and we have a new villian poster. Mr. Truth must be grinning ear to ear.

Who is Mr. 3dognight???? No advertising. No budget increases to speak of. Yeah, the league's were merged, but where was the plan and execution for the rollout of the new WCHA at Lake State? Didn't happen. I'm getting tired. This is getting old. I'll have faith in the program once the house has been cleaned. Until then we're just treading water.
 
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Who is Mr. 3dognight???? No advertising. No budget increases to speak of. Yeah, the league's were merged, but where was the plan and execution for the rollout of the new WCHA at Lake State? Didn't happen. I'm getting tired. This is getting old. I'll have faith in the program once the house has been cleaned. Until then we're just treading water.

1) I thought some money went into recruiting so they could recruit from western Canada. Haven't we picked up a couple of recruits from the western juniors? If this is the case I guess they did add money to the recruiting budget? Right?

2) Midge you may get your wish. In an earlier post I suggested with McClain's retirement he basically is taking Roque with him and that he may very well take the AD with him also. I don't have any idea if it will happen but in reorganizations this type of thing happens quite often. I have seen reorganizations like this in the past where the new President would have a new staff he would want. If I were in Dunbar's shoes I would be concerned. Just an opinion and only time will tell.
 
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I see attacks on the AD for not opening the "purse strings." But doesn't there have to be more money there to start with? Or do you cut some in else's budget? Whose budget do you take away from to add to hockey? Men's basketball? Women's Volleyball?
 
I see attacks on the AD for not opening the "purse strings." But doesn't there have to be more money there to start with? Or do you cut some in else's budget? Whose budget do you take away from to add to hockey? Men's basketball? Women's Volleyball?

I've heard there is more money, and that it's been withheld for whatever reason.
 
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I've heard there is more money, and that it's been withheld for whatever reason.

You state that I am a supporter of Dunbar and you want specifics as to how the current A.D. and President helped the Laker program yet you bring up this?? What proof do you have that any money was withheld?? Your hearing needs checking Midge as you must be utterly DEAF!!

Tell me, what is the role of an A.D. Is it to dress up in a cheerleaders outfit during games and geek up the crowd? Well Dunbar never did that but she was at many of the games I attended over the years and would happily take any feed back (though she gave me quite the sour face when I said Roque must go at the end of last year) at games or on campus. Is an A.D.'s responsibility to market the team...not really but seeing how Lake State does not really have a marketing department, the A.D.'s office did just that and set aside money for radio adds for HOCKEY and just HOCKEY! Is the A.D's responsibility to ensure that teams remain as competitive as possible by putting in place the right people....YES....and here Dunbar FAILS because she kept Roque well past his expiration date!

No budget increases to speak of. Yeah, the league's were merged, but where was the plan and execution for the rollout of the new WCHA at Lake State? Didn't happen. I'm getting tired. This is getting old. I'll have faith in the program once the house has been cleaned. Until then we're just treading water.

Budget increases...are you that clueless?!?! The hockey program was and is by far the biggest expenditure for Laker Athletics and the program was/is bleeding Athletics dry. While the hockey coaching staff's salaries are small in comparison to other hockey programs, they DWARF the budgets of every other sports program at Lake State. Yes, hockey brought in more revenue than B.B. but far more was shelled out on hockey than B.B.. The hockey team was far into the red, budget increases were a laughable fantasy. As for the rollout of the nWCHA, you are aware that Dunbar was quite instrumental in making sure Laker Hockey had a conference to be in this year as many programs wanted nothing to do with Lake State.

If Dunbar is to be removed, it only should be because of one reason , she kept Roque on far too long to the detriment of the program. You claim that the players liked and supported Roque, showing your utter ignorance of the situation. The other day I talked to a step parent of a former Laker to guage his response to Roque being let go...."Couldn't be happier" he said " the kid always complained what an ******* Roque was!" No, this was not Truthy's kid either and this was one of the Lakers better players when he played!

Now Midge please give me specifics as to why Roque should have stayed?!?!/
 
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Listen JNACC ... it's Friday and I'm in a decent mood, however, your hateful tone and snarkiness is bringing me down. I'll do my best to address your issues in a respectful manner. First of all, I'd like to talk about Roque's likeability among players - both past and present. True, you are going to have an occasion guy who doesn't like the coach. But for the most part, Roque is well liked. I can think of two players on this year's roster who would beg to differ. Both saw very little, if any, ice time. So it stands to reason that they would feel negatively toward him. But, barring the occasional disgruntled player (and they are usually the loudest and first to tell you they don't like the guy!), Roque has had good relationships with his players - very evident because these relationships have been maintained well after graduation. Many attend the various golf outings and reunion events, etc.

The other issue I wanted to mention regards the roll out of Lake Superior State joining the WCHA. You've totally misunderstood what I was getting at with regard to the AD's involvement. Sure, she and the prez made sure that the Lakers had a league to play in, but that NEW league needed to be promoted, advertised, hyped-up, etc. ... basically rolled out to the public that the Lakers were in a fantastic new league! The logos needed to be ordered for the boards, ice, in the arena, on apparel, merchandise, etc. Press releases and advertising needed to be conducted to build excitement about the new league. A big splash should have been made .... and none of this happened! The AD didn't remember to order the logos for the ice and boards, and the coach was left scrambling to get this done in the few weeks before the first home series. Nothing was on the radio or in the newspaper. As a matter of fact, I remember seeing one billboard down by the Chinese food place on Ashmun that was up for a few weeks advertising season tickets with NO MENTION of the WCHA! Don't you think more of an effort should have been made by the AD to generate exposure of the new league and excitement for the upcoming season? Sadly none of this happened. It was like the WCHA snuck in under the cover of night.

With regard to money withheld from the hockey budget. True, this is just something I heard in passing, so it may or may not be true. But given the AD's disdain for the hockey program, I found it to be plausible. I have a feeling that the new coach will get a few more dollars than the $80k that Roque was getting. Not sure where it's coming from .... so who knows?

In my opinion, the AD is supposed to market all the sports at the university, see to it that they're as competitive as possible, and go to bat for her coaches. I'm not sure that she does this. She has her 'pet favorites' as far as sports and coaches go ..... and she certainly hasn't gone to bat for Roque. Of course all you snarky posters are going to say she did by keeping him for 9 seasons, but I'm talking about on a more consistent day to day, situation to situation basis. A good AD stands up for her coaches. I can't say that this was the case regarding Roque's tenure at the university.

Sorry, JNACC that I didn't give you my case for why Roque should have stayed. I think in my past posts I've talked about his virtues, and at this point, there is NO POINT in beating a dead horse. His contact has not been renewed, time to move on ..... I just hope they find who they're looking for. Given the set of circumstances the university is dealing with, I am highly doubtful this will happen.
 
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Rumor and fact can be two vastly different things. Remember that renovation project?

The renovation project is not a rumor. There is a donor, but currently the money for the renovation is tied up because the sale of his business has been stalled due to the fact that he's being investigated for fraud. Until the sale goes through, there is no way the renovation can move forward. It's a catch-22.
 
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In an earlier post I suggested with McClain's retirement he basically is taking Roque with him and that he may very well take the AD with him also. I don't have any idea if it will happen but in reorganizations this type of thing happens quite often. I have seen reorganizations like this in the past where the new President would have a new staff he would want. If I were in Dunbar's shoes I would be concerned. Just an opinion and only time will tell.

Wishful thinking, most likely. McLain is a lame duck, so I'm thinking nothing much will happen going forward. He's just keeping the seat in the president's office warm till the new guy gets there.
 
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Listen JNACC ... it's Friday and I'm in a decent mood, however, your hateful tone and snarkiness is bringing me down. I'll do my best to address your issues in a respectful manner. First of all, I'd like to talk about Roque's likeability among players - both past and present. True, you are going to have an occasion guy who doesn't like the coach. But for the most part, Roque is well liked.
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Patently false...I'm sorry but this is just so far removed from the truth that it is laughable...
Sure, she and the prez made sure that the Lakers had a league to play in, but that NEW league needed to be promoted, advertised, hyped-up, etc. ... basically rolled out to the public that the Lakers were in a fantastic new league! The logos needed to be ordered for the boards, ice, in the arena, on apparel, merchandise, etc. Press releases and advertising needed to be conducted to build excitement about the new league. A big splash should have been made ...

There were radio spots for Laker Hockey at the beginning of the season...there were no radio spots for any other Laker ahtletic program. We have to then conclude that the A.D. was fully behind the hockey program to the best of its (financial) ability.

In my opinion, the AD is supposed to market all the sports at the university, see to it that they're as competitive as possible, and go to bat for her coaches. I'm not sure that she does this. She has her 'pet favorites' as far as sports and coaches go ..... and she certainly hasn't gone to bat for Roque.

She sheltered Roque for the better part of 9 years, for that alone she should be canned! There is simply no merit to the rest of your arguements/allegations.

Sorry, JNACC that I didn't give you my case for why Roque should have stayed. I think in my past posts I've talked about his virtues, and at this point, there is NO POINT in beating a dead horse. His contact has not been renewed, time to move on

We try to move on but you Roque apologists keep coming back to tell us how doomed we are now that St Jimmy is no longer leading the program...glad you finally realize that he is not coming back and that both the program and fans are ready to move on.
 
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There's a lot of interesting debate. Midge seems to be pretty close to the former coach. I wonder how close. As far as why he wasn't fired a year or two ago, it's likely that it had to do with his contract. If he got canned with a year left, LSSU is probably still on the hook for those dollars. If we can't pay one coach an average contract for this league, how can we pay two? It would appear that his contract expired this season and was not renewed. As for the donor, Midge states he's being investigated for fraud. I would say that decreases the chance that we see that money, or at the very least decreases the amount of the money. A pledge to donate is not a donation until the check clears.
 
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There's a lot of interesting debate. Midge seems to be pretty close to the former coach. I wonder how close. As far as why he wasn't fired a year or two ago, it's likely that it had to do with his contract. If he got canned with a year left, LSSU is probably still on the hook for those dollars. If we can't pay one coach an average contract for this league, how can we pay two? It would appear that his contract expired this season and was not renewed. As for the donor, Midge states he's being investigated for fraud. I would say that decreases the chance that we see that money, or at the very least decreases the amount of the money. A pledge to donate is not a donation until the check clears.

This is very possible, and its the scenario in which I see Dunbar could get a pass for keeping Roque too long....the state of the finances being what most of us think they are, if the contract dictated that Roque's salary was guaranteed through the length of the contract regardless of he still held the position, there was really no possible way to let him go and pay another coach. However, it was impossible for the fan base to know if the contract was guaranteed, especially since there was never a clear public statement on how long the contract even was....that was a topic of conversation on this very board multiple times; so it was easy for many of us to get down on Dunbar for keeping him too long.

Assuming JR's entire contract was guaranteed, hopefully the administration will leave themselves more "out" clauses in the contract of the next coach, especially regarding the scenario where the next coach chooses to leave on his own; which, would be a possibility if LSSU were to nab an up and coming candidate like many of us hope is the case. When you really think about it, there was no good reason that JR's contract should have ever been fully guaranteed...in my opinion he did not have nearly the level of success necessary to have that as a demand.
 
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Could Jim Roque really end up coaching Division 3 hockey at Finlandia Lions?

I hear it is possibile.
 
This is very possible, and its the scenario in which I see Dunbar could get a pass for keeping Roque too long....the state of the finances being what most of us think they are, if the contract dictated that Roque's salary was guaranteed through the length of the contract regardless of he still held the position, there was really no possible way to let him go and pay another coach. However, it was impossible for the fan base to know if the contract was guaranteed, especially since there was never a clear public statement on how long the contract even was....that was a topic of conversation on this very board multiple times; so it was easy for many of us to get down on Dunbar for keeping him too long.

Assuming JR's entire contract was guaranteed, hopefully the administration will leave themselves more "out" clauses in the contract of the next coach, especially regarding the scenario where the next coach chooses to leave on his own; which, would be a possibility if LSSU were to nab an up and coming candidate like many of us hope is the case. When you really think about it, there was no good reason that JR's contract should have ever been fully guaranteed...in my opinion he did not have nearly the level of success necessary to have that as a demand.

At worst, the contract is guaranteed except in cases of NCAA violations or legal trouble. At best there's a buyout clause. Why would anyone sign a contract if there is no way of enforcing it? As for a new coach, I've heard Tech has clauses in the contract to protect their investment should Pearson leave early. But you may not want to make that deal too iron clad if you're interested in someone who may use it as a stepping stone. The less advantageous the deal for the candidate, the less advantageous the pool of candidates.
 
Could Jim Roque really end up coaching Division 3 hockey at Finlandia Lions?

I hear it is possibile.

Where do you hear that? Unless you've talked to Chris, you don't have anything. Or were you having coffee at the Kaleva and one of the townies who knows someone who knows someone just randomly came to your table while you were enjoying the Panukakku? Either way, Chris plays it pretty close to the vest. The chances you have viable info are slim. I've talked to several in the hockey community there, and no one seems to have any idea who the top candidates are.
 
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Where do you hear that? Unless you've talked to Chris, you don't have anything. Or were you having coffee at the Kaleva and one of the townies who knows someone who knows someone just randomly came to your table while you were enjoying the Panukakku?

Heard they have a team up there that may fit Jim's daughter. Also the wife likes the pasties at Toni's.
 
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