LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

[gfmorris]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

A DIII guy on the way up looking to get his foot in the DI door. Salary shouldn't be too different.
A DI assistant looking for his first head coaching job might look at the salary as a stepping stone.
Whoever it is when he does good he's gone to greener pastures and you try to do it again.
Sounds as if the alternative is an alum who has done extremely well financially.

UAH got Danton Cole at a discount as a guy with an eye on the Michigan State job who would be coaching in a nothing league. (Chris Luongo was paid much the same as Cole, and I know what he made, roughly.) UAH upped things significantly (say 30%) with Kleinendorst, and I bet that they went higher with Corbett. You might get someone cheaper than what Corbett and Matt Thomas at UAA are being paid, but those guys have effectively set the bar for what you make to coach in this league. I wouldn't expect many people to take a whole lot less than that. $125k probably has to be the minimum, and I've seen some here say that Roque wasn't paid that much. I could be wrong about that.

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[Seawolf Fan]

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UAH got Danton Cole at a discount as a guy with an eye on the Michigan State job who would be coaching in a nothing league. (Chris Luongo was paid much the same as Cole, and I know what he made, roughly.) UAH upped things significantly (say 30%) with Kleinendorst, and I bet that they went higher with Corbett. You might get someone cheaper than what Corbett and Matt Thomas at UAA are being paid, but those guys have effectively set the bar for what you make to coach in this league. I wouldn't expect many people to take a whole lot less than that. $125k probably has to be the minimum, and I've seen some here say that Roque wasn't paid that much. I could be wrong about that.
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You may consider doing a little more research on that.
With a little digging most of the state university salaries are public record. It's public money paying it. Unless they're also getting a boost from an alumni association, etc. the salaries are there for the looking.
The football and basketball guys may have hit the pot at the end of the rainbow but when you get below the elites in hockey the salaries are not in the stratosphere (something many UAH folks are familiar with).
IMHO $125,000 would draw a pretty significant talent pool of applicants.
It would also be a sizeable raise for most ECHL coaches.

 

[gfmorris]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

You may consider doing a little more research on that.
With a little digging most of the state university salaries are public record. It's public money paying it. Unless they're also getting a boost from an alumni association, etc. the salaries are there for the looking.
The football and basketball guys may have hit the pot at the end of the rainbow but when you get below the elites in hockey the salaries are not in the stratosphere (something many UAH folks are familiar with).
IMHO $125,000 would draw a pretty significant talent pool of applicants.
It would also be a sizeable raise for most ECHL coaches.

I was under the impression that Corbett and Thomas were in the $140K range. Like I said, I could be wrong about that. I could find the answer about Corbett out pretty easily, because I can go and ask for the Athletics budget whenever I want as a taxpayer and graduate student.

$125K may be high.

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[Seawolf Fan]

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I was under the impression that Corbett and Thomas were in the $140K range. Like I said, I could be wrong about that. I could find the answer about Corbett out pretty easily, because I can go and ask for the Athletics budget whenever I want as a taxpayer and graduate student.

$125K may be high.
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Check out the newspaper articles back when our hiring process was being jacked around making us look foolish.
The numbers are there and the talent applying for the position is also there.
I'm pretty sure $125 will buy you a quality coach.
And yes Matt makes considerably more than that but when the position opened it was in the $125 range.

 

[gfmorris]

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You may consider doing a little more research on that.

http://www.uah.edu/images/administrative/finance/budget/Budget Book_2013_14.pdf

Pg. 23 is relevant. That's a line-item for salaries for all employees of the hockey office (HC, ACs, HockeyOps, Equipment). Given that the academic year runs July-June (or it did when I was SGA VP and handling budgets) and the GFY runs October-September, you're seeing overlap here across the FYs, and anyway, it's $362,181. With five people in that office, it's reasonable to expect that the head coach gets 40% of that pie (considering that HockeyOps and Equipment guys are really young and not paid a ton). That puts Corbett at $145K, and that's not counting fringes.

[You can also see from that budget that hockey gets more money than everyone else, but that men's hoops and softball do better than the other sports. That doesn't surprise me at all, but it may interest those of you that don't know anything about UAH. You'll also note that hockey is the only program to have its own operating budget line item, and that's a six-figure item at that.]

I wasn't able to quickly find the budget on uaa.alaska.edu. I'll take any pointers on that from UAA people, since the comparison is there.

Here's LSSU's budget: http://www.lssu.edu/busoff/documents/FY14GeneralFundBudget.pdf

I'm posting that link because the coffee shop I'm in is about to close, so I'm about to leave. I'm going to keep reading it to figure out where they're hiding Athletics.

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[gfmorris]

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Check out the newspaper articles back when our hiring process was being jacked around making us look foolish.
The numbers are there and the talent applying for the position is also there.
I'm pretty sure $125 will buy you a quality coach.
And yes Matt makes considerably more than that but when the position opened it was in the $125 range.

But $125K wasn't enough to get Thomas or Corbett. Is it a good floor to start discussions? Perhaps, but I doubt that anyone without the Internet and a few hours' time (read: an agent) isn't going to find that information out and uses those numbers to frame their salary discussions. In short, I'd be surprised if someone was hired in the WCHA at that value.

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[aparch]

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I was under the impression that Corbett and Thomas were in the $140K range. Like I said, I could be wrong about that. I could find the answer about Corbett out pretty easily, because I can go and ask for the Athletics budget whenever I want as a taxpayer and graduate student.

$125K may be high.

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Pulling some numbers from http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
Average Annual Institutional Salary per Head Coach
(average of all Men's Sports Head Coaches at school):
Bowling Green State University: $165,004* Division 1 in all sports
Minnesota State University - Mankato: $103,821
University of Alaska - Anchorage: $88,496
Michigan Technological University: $85,753
Northern Michigan University: $72,852
Bemidji State University: $67,293
University of Alabama - Huntsville: $61,859
Ferris State University: $57,257
University of Alaska - _airbanks: $56,217
Lake Superior State University: $23,700



$125k won't get you any former WCHA coach, except for maybe Jamie Russell...
http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2009/07/17/gwozdecky-is-wchas-highest-paid-coach/

Here is a rundown of WCHA “base” coaching salaries (2009):
Alaska Anchorage — Dave Shyiak, $110,000 in 2009-10, contract through 2011-12
Colorado College – Scott Owens, financial terms unavailable, contract through 2012-13
Denver – George Gwozdecky, base and length unavailable
Minnesota – Don Lucia, $222,789 in 2007-08, contract through 2011-12
Minnesota Duluth – Scott Sandelin, $150,000 in 2009-10, contract through 2011-12
Minnesota State- Mankato – Troy Jutting, $138,000 in 2008-09, expected to sign contract extension
Michigan Tech – Jamie Russell, $116,759 in 2008-09, contract through 2011-12
North Dakota – Dave Hakstol, $210,000 in 2007-08, contract through 2011-12
St. Cloud State – Bob Motzko, $167,000 in 2008-09, contract through 2014-15
Wisconsin – Mike Eaves, $229,511 in 2008-09, contract through 2013-14

 

[Seawolf Fan]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

Aparch....at that salary the lake state guy can't afford to be living from his car...he can't afford a car on that money
He wants to know if you've got a station wagon with a little extra room?

 

[gfmorris]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

Thanks, aparch.

I haven't been able to find the General Athletics Fund budget for LSSU, but not for lack of trying. That's what it's titled, and it should be available. I did find where the capital fund was $511k in the red ( ), but that's it.

I'm hearing little rumbles myself. I hope that there's an earthquake for all this, or maybe just a kaiju. I mean, a kaiju tearing up the UP would be kinda ... wait, this isn't Pacific Rim.

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[aparch]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

Aparch....at that salary the lake state guy can't afford to be living from his car...he can't afford a car on that money
He wants to know if you've got a station wagon with a little extra room?

Ha!

Those are just the averages of all Men's Head Coaches at LSSU as reported to the US Gov't. Certainly the hockey head coach position pays better than that... but how little are the other coaches being paid to balance that out?

Also, this does not include any other salary incentives that are paid to the coach.

 

[Seawolf Fan]

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Ha!

Those are just the averages of all Men's Head Coaches at LSSU as reported to the US Gov't. Certainly the hockey head coach position pays better than that... but how little are the other coaches being paid to balance that out?

Also, this does not include any other salary incentives that are paid to the coach.

But you beg the question.
Any extra room in your station wagon?

 

[gfmorris]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

Ha!

Those are just the averages of all Men's Head Coaches at LSSU as reported to the US Gov't. Certainly the hockey head coach position pays better than that... but how little are the other coaches being paid to balance that out?

Also, this does not include any other salary incentives that are paid to the coach.

The only way that it can be that low is if they're paying $0 from the GAF for coaches and are covering them otherwise. Does LSSU have soccer coaches that also teach civil engineering classes? UAH used to be that way in the NAIA days.

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[blackswampboy]

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Pulling some numbers from http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
Average Annual Institutional Salary per Head Coach
(average of all Men's Sports Head Coaches at school):
Bowling Green State University: $165,004* Division 1 in all sports

average skewed by DI football ($400,000+), AD ($200,000+), and men's BB ($200,000+) salaries (as of 2012).
nevertheless...according to the tBlade, Bergeron made $168,369.98 (gross) in 2012.

Prior to Bergeron, Dennis Williams took home $92,223.05 (gross) in 2010.

 

[Bill]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

I think Roque currently was making somewhere in the low 80s.

 

[sm2pk]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

81,600

 

[Seawolf Fan]

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I think Roque currently was making somewhere in the low 80s.

If that figure is close to correct then yes, they won't attract the quality they want.
That figure is what a lot of ECHL guys are getting.
IMHO $125 will still get quality applicants.
Well that and a commitment for other institutional support.

 

[Bill]

If that figure is close to correct then yes, they won't attract the quality they want.
That figure is what a lot of ECHL guys are getting.
IMHO $125 will still get quality applicants.
Well that and a commitment for other institutional support.

That may be, but Ron Mason, Rick Comley, and Jeff Jackson weren't making big bucks when they started their head coaching careers at LSSU. For those with higher ambitions, it can be looked at as a stepping stone position.

 

[Seawolf Fan]

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That may be, but Ron Mason, Rick Comley, and Jeff Jackson weren't making big bucks when they started their head coaching careers at LSSU. For those with higher ambitions, it can be looked at as a stepping stone position.

Agreed 1000%
And at many other not top tier schools there are very similar examples.
Couldn't agree with you more.
With incentives Thomas will be at $170,000 this year.
Think we can keep him at the end of his contract?
I hope so but doubt it.

 

[CKrouth]

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A friend of mine said I should check out the USCHO Fan Forum and boy was he right, it's a hoot. Gloom & Doom on the horizon? Program shutting down? 15 different salary numbers for the head coach? It really is comical to read some of this stuff. Let me clear up a couple of things:

gfmorris - To save you a bit of time, you will not find the Athletics budget on the web. For financial statement purposes, Athletics is combined with all other auxiliaries for reporting on the CAFR and Michigan law only requires online display of General Fund salaries and Budgets for the Budget & Performance Transparency Reporting.

To everyone else: If you don't have a clue what is going on, don't post junk on the internet with regard to what your "sources" did or did not say. It makes the University look bad and ultimately does none of us any good, including Laker Hockey. If you have a question or concern, ask the appropriate office at LSSU before you make un-substantiated remarks. Rarely will you not get an answer to your question. All of the VPs contact information is on the web. Let them know your concerns, because with out that information being relayed to them, they may make a lesser-informed decision.

 

[Flashy Man]

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

Mel Pearson's contract.
http://www.techhockeyguide.com/2011/06/mel-pearsons-contract-revealed/