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LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

The fine and the suspension I referred to were two separate incidents, and the cop being " a hot head" proves my point. Regardless, if you want to think of Roque as even keeled, that is your prerogative, the important thing is that Roque and his temperament whatever you judge it to be; is no longer plaguing Lake State. I'm done arguing about Jim Roque and his merits (mainly the lack thereof) as a head hockey coach.

Your vagueness and attempt to 'spin' this into something bigger than it was is truly a commendable effort. The fine and suspension are the results of the same one incident involving a linesman who is hot-headed and made the threat against Roque. Not sure how a hot-headed cop proves anything you were trying to say! Have yourself a great day, eh?!
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

It bothers me how much is being said what a great recruiter Whitten is and he has recruited players that for the most part lose more games than they win and are never a serious threat to winning league titles or making the NCAA tournaments. I also love how he talked about Laker history and the great coaches they had and skipped past Anzalone . Seems Whittens first line of work is to follow the script .
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

Agree with post 154 - Previous coaches came, did their best, and moved on. Nothing to be gained by these perpetual ****ing matches. They drive away thoughtful posters, and do a disservice to your dignity. You know who you are, and believe me, we know where you stand. An opinion does not gain credibility with repetition.

New Coach
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

It bothers me how much is being said what a great recruiter Whitten is and he has recruited players that for the most part lose more games than they win and are never a serious threat to winning league titles or making the NCAA tournaments. I also love how he talked about Laker history and the great coaches they had and skipped past Anzalone . Seems Whittens first line of work is to follow the script .

I thought that, too when I first read it. I reread it and he was speaking of the MSU connection to Laker Hockey with Mason, Comley, and Jackson. No slight intended to Frank. Don't read something into in that is not there. Frank's place is secure in Laker history. As far as comments about him being "nicey" at his press conference - anyone ever hear a new coach coming on ANYWHERE (HS, college, pro) and not making like comments? I'm not hung up on the fact that he is coming from an assistant position. That's the natural progression and we were not in a position to attract a lot of current head coaches.

He's a young guy with a good reputation looking for his opportunity to shine. I'm sure he'll work hard and as a decades long Laker fan I will support him and am looking forward to meeting him. Change is a part of this business and I wish only the best for coach Roque and his family.

The comments about the assistant coaches did not surprise me. Sounds like that has not been settled yet so there was nothing he could say. He could have free reign within the scope of his budget but that's unknown. Three I was thinking about from the old CCHA. When Comley took over at MSU, deal was to keep Tom Newton for at least one year - he's still there. When Jackson took over at ND, I believe deal was to keep Andy Slaggart for one year - he's still there. When Jeff Blashill left WMU after one year, Andy Murray's deal was to keep the two assistants for at least a year - and they're still there.

I've read this post for years, along with several others, and this one stands out as one of the most negative on USCHO. I am hoping for more civility on this thread as the Laker program moves forward with our new coach, although I won't hold my breath:).
 
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Does anyone know who the reporter was in the red shirt who asked the last question?? After the presser was over and everyone was filing out he was asking Dunbar a few questions and I could hear some of his questions but none of Dunbar's answers....One question he asked was how many applicants there were and his last question was about Joe Shawhan...As I said I couldn't hear any of Dunbar's answers but I would sure like to get an ID on that reporter so I can see if i can track down wherever that interview is to be published at, cuz I'd like to see her answers to both questions.

I am the reporter. You'll be able to hear the interview in it entirety on Eagle 95.1 or www.radioeaglesoo.com. I believe I will be running the whole thing in the 8am hour tomorrow. I will also podcast it on our facebook page Eagle Radio 95.1
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

I thought that, too when I first read it. I reread it and he was speaking of the MSU connection to Laker Hockey with Mason, Comley, and Jackson. No slight intended to Frank. Don't read something into in that is not there. Frank's place is secure in Laker history.

I think Whitten was giving credit to three guys for the great programs Lake State once had and he actually left the real creator of Laker powerhouse hockey out of that mix. The MSU connection should read in reverse. MSU got Mason and Comely after they left Lake State and MSU actually owes it's rise to Lake State who made coaches out of Mason and Comely . Whitten was following a script.
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

Of course four years from now when we're still maxing out around .500 the LSSU fandom will be calling for his head. I hope Damon does well. But before you put the new coat of paint on this house, you'd better invest and shore up foundation and put the pillars in the brace the walls and the roof or the house will slowly continue to crumble.
 
I thought that, too when I first read it. I reread it and he was speaking of the MSU connection to Laker Hockey with Mason, Comley, and Jackson. No slight intended to Frank. Don't read something into in that is not there. Frank's place is secure in Laker history.

I think Whitten was giving credit to three guys for the great programs Lake State once had and he actually left the real creator of Laker powerhouse hockey out of that mix. The MSU connection should read in reverse. MSU got Mason and Comely after they left Lake State and MSU actually owes it's rise to Lake State who made coaches out of Mason and Comely . Whitten was following a script.

I would agree. It also is wise to note that Comley, Mason and Jackson are pretty well respected by their peers, players and fans and that Frank is a very polarizing figure at best. He didn't mention the other two coaches that followed Jackson either and it's impossible to separate Frank I & Frank II. Stay on the positive.
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

Before people get ugly keep in mind that Whitten will get an opportunity to show what he can do now that he is here. My points were aimed at how he got here. . Remember, we are within 24 hours of that announcement.
Also, I am not saying that there was anything corrupt in the hiring. I am saying that I think this was a critical hire and other than knowing influential people, his record is extremely weak and that is being generous. Please comment!
 
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If you are saying that he was "specifically told" not to mention Frank, I don't buy that one iota. Why would that even matter? He has nothing to do with what happened in Laker hockey prior to yesterday. I know some of the posters on here who's #1 pick was not chosen will root for him to fail as they rooted for Jim Roque to fail but let's give him his chance to be successful.

On another note, I just listened to the U. S. under 18 team beat Czech Republic 5-2 for the gold medal. They had a great run after losing their first game to the Swiss. They beat the Lakers in the Sauklt 3-2 in October. Laker PBP guy Bill Crawford broadcasted all the games on the internet.
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

If you are saying that he was "specifically told" not to mention Frank, I don't buy that one iota. Why would that even matter? He has nothing to do with what happened in Laker hockey prior to yesterday.

I'm sure that was for someone else Meridian? I never mentioned Frank.
 
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What really turned me was when he said that a week and a half ago when he met with the team in the locker room and looked at the pictures on the wall he told them “We’ve got a great responsibility to live up to.” That was ten days ago. Did all the applicants have a chance to meet with the team in the locker room? I was told they did not. I look forward to reading responses. That’s why most of us tune in.

All 4 guys that came in for visits met with the team.
 
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I'm sure that was for someone else Meridian? I never mentioned Frank.

A previous poster mentioned that Whitten was "following a script." That's what I was commenting on.

However - for you - How about some paragraph spacing on long posts.?:) Easier to read.

Now that I think of it, my panties got in a bunch when he did not credit Bill Selman with hiring Frank.
 
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A previous poster mentioned that Whitten was "following a script." That's what I was commenting on.

However - for you - How about some paragraph spacing on long posts.?:) Easier to read.

Now that I think of it, my panties got in a bunch when he did not credit Bill Selman with hiring Frank.
LOL.....Sorry Meridian, I aint a very much good writer. I'll try to be better at that.
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

People were too afraid to ask the REAL questions! It's funny that Whitten mentioned AD's knowledge of hockey - she's married to a hockey coach and her kids play hockey. Funny he didn't mention that they coach and play in St. Ignace - our community's rival team! He also didn't mention that her husband was part of the coaching staff who experienced the worst years of hockey at Lake State, and brought the program to its knees. His comments were all nicey-nicey ***kissing comments. He will see in time. You just wait!

I thought this forum had enough with Roque’s depravity, so I had kept quiet about it. Meantime, the toxic Roquettes army is still around calumniating honest people and spreading their propaganda on the net to show Jim Roque as the victim, without anyone here standing up and saying what informed people know.

Politically correct statements at press conferences is just standard practice; I’ve heard Roque’s awesome job being praised by people who meantime were preparing for getting rid of him. Just listen to players at the hockey show and sit with them a few hours later.

Rather than slandering whoever is not on your guru’s tribe, why don’t you ask - and answer - the real question: Why was Jim Roque fired?
Kris Dunbar had no choice but to acknowledge that keeping Jim Roque around had become increasingly unsafe in many respects. Taking advantage of an expired contract, she crossed her fingers that an unexpected end of season winning burst would not happen and make it too difficult to justify without giving the true reasons and boost the Roquettes.
She wishes she had done it several years earlier when she was informed about troubling facts, but just didn’t have the guts, or experience, or support, to face the consequences.
The reactions for just not renewing a contract for a coach who had brought nothing after nine years suggest what it would have been like with the slightest achievement.

If Kris Dunbar is to be blamed, it should be for for letting Jim Roque loose and failing to fulfil her supervisory role, and deliberately ignoring the facts brought to her attention. She may have to face the consequence for her negligence, but not in this post.
The poor performance, low attendance or whatever allegedly is all the AD’S fault are not the reasons why Jim Roque was fired.

After slandering Joe Shawhan who was deceived by Jim Roque when questioning his practices, the Roquettes now bring in Anzalone, who hired and taught Jim Roque the job, but was later thrown under the bus by the same ungrateful person. Sure, Anzalone crossed the line at times, and I am by no means an Anzalone supporter in this respect, but in all fairness, Anzalone was almost harmless compared to Roque.

Bright abusers and indeed manipulators in general often manage to live a whole life destroying people and their environment while still making themselves out to be quiet and “even keeled” people. When they are not so bright, they make disturbing mistakes like running after a referee on the ice, calling the police against a linesman, going ape**** in the locker room with no reason or staying totalling impassive when a reaction is expected, disappearing for days or weeks without letting players know what's next, humiliating players publicly during a game or in front of teammates, grabbing a player by the jersey and bluntly pulling him out of team picture, ignoring the opponents coach when shaking hands and still denying despite the cameras … just mentioning a few.

Only the tip of the iceberg is visible but, behind the scenes, staff, supervisors, assistants, broadcasters, referees and of course players experienced or witnessed intimidation, manipulation, interference, and other abusive behaviors, leading many players and parents to suspect the man is sick since, in addition to numerous deceptions, serious distress was intentionally caused to his scapegoats to freeze them out.

This is what the next organization hiring Jim Roque will get if they fail to do their homework, but as far as the Lakers are concerned, it is a huge stone being pulled out of the shoe, which is great news.

All other things being equal (recruitment, finance etc ...), just bringing this nuisance to an end will surely give anyone around the team a chance to contribute for the best, and at least the Athletic Director has a chance to adjust and learn from experience. Fans should be confident that the coach and the AD will now work together. They can be pretty positive about the Lakers improving significantly before long, and should do their part by attending games and donating.

There is no doubt that there will be other repercussions than just ending the contract, but this will have no effect on the team’s performance, and is therefore outside the scope of this post. As a matter of fact, it didn’t raise much interest when it was pertinent, mostly giving rise to scornful comments by moronic posters.

Jim Roque followers should now stop using this post for their propaganda aimed only at sabotaging the people now in charge and making Jim Roque appear as a victim.

I also encourage the Anti-Roquettes, (including the “Truths” and several others) who believe that Jim Roque should be held accountable, to refrain from upsetting peaceful posters by bringing it up here and instead join energy within a group already dealing with the matter in a discreet but factual and more efficient way.

Hopefully this will help this thread move on, concentrating on it’s core objectives which are exchanging ideas, reflecting on how the Lakers perform, and recommending ways on how to improve.
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

Hopefully this will help this thread move on, concentrating on it’s core objectives which are exchanging ideas, reflecting on how the Lakers perform, and recommending ways on how to improve.

AA,

Sounds like a pretty radical and bizarre concept but I'm willing to give it a try. Loved the moronic posters comment:)
 
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off-season thread (part 2)

I will fully support Coach Whitten and wish him well. But I'm totally underwhelmed by the group of finalists. A 2nd assistant from out East (Barr), a first assistant who's been part of a perennial loser (Christian), a second assistant whose teams have lost far more than they've won at similar programs to LSSU, albeit slightly better resourced (Whitten) and a D-3 coach (Fogarty). I have nothing to back it up, but my gut tells me he was the top choice but couldn't reach an agreement on things like salary, assistants and resources. But there is something horribly wrong if that's the best we can do.
 
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