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LSSU Laker Hockey

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From what I've learned about him, he seems kind of like Freddy. An undersized two-way forward with good short area quickness. I don't think he'll be a 25 point getter for us, but a third liner who will put in 10-12 points and play some defense.
Regardless of what their stats are or what their Junior coach says about them, we never know what they can do at the college level until they show up and play. The Lakers do need more team speed, so it's at least a little encouraging to hear that they are considered quick at the Junior level. Size doesn't concern me that much. I think speed and stick skills are more important.
 
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Using that data I'd be willing to bet that we spend more than Ferris on recruiting and would be in the same ballpark as Northern. There is no way Ferris spends only 12 grand recruiting for football. Their recruiting budget is shockingly low. It would be an interesting study to compare wins to recruiting budget, I'm sure Ferris would spend a lot less per win than most schools.

Have to agree and that begs the question of why does a "small" school like Ferris have better success at attracting USHL talent? I think it’s safe to say that Ferris has been somewhat more successful in terms of competing over the past ten years than LSSU has.

The OPJHL is a "fair" league, meaning that while it is not devoid of talent, it is a weaker league in comparison to other leagues across North America. I don't think that a D-1 team can make such a league its primary recruiting grounds and be successful.

I can understand the hesitation that the Laker staff may feel engaging in recruiting battles with other schools concerning USHL talent and its obvious they do not possess the recourses to properly scout the BCHL and AJHL but what about the NAHL? There are several teams in relative close proximity and as a whole the league is better than the OPJHL.
 
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Have to agree and that begs the question of why does a "small" school like Ferris have better success at attracting USHL talent? I think it’s safe to say that Ferris has been somewhat more successful in terms of competing over the past ten years than LSSU has.

The OPJHL is a "fair" league, meaning that while it is not devoid of talent, it is a weaker league in comparison to other leagues across North America. I don't think that a D-1 team can make such a league its primary recruiting grounds and be successful.

I can understand the hesitation that the Laker staff may feel engaging in recruiting battles with other schools concerning USHL talent and its obvious they do not possess the recourses to properly scout the BCHL and AJHL but what about the NAHL? There are several teams in relative close proximity and as a whole the league is better than the OPJHL.
The Lakers still have one unnamed verbal commitment for next season. Roque mentioned the kid committed over the holidays. Maybe he will be from the NAHL.
 
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These were the same kind of numbers in the early and mid 1980's when Lake Superior State didn't seem to have trouble finding great players, with a small budget with Frank Anzalone at the helm...

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I suggest you pay particular attention to the chapter on Inflation. :)
 
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I suggest you pay particular attention to the chapter on Inflation. :)

I was going to post something mentioning inflation about 30 minutes ago, but your post is much better.

Truth Squad is probably to stupid to even make it to the inflation chapter.
 
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Let's look at the last 10 years of Laker hockey:

Anzalone:
01-02: 8-27-2 (.243)
02-03: 6-28-4 (.211)
03-04: 9-20-7 (.347)
04-05: 9-22-7 (.329)

Roque:
05-06: 15-14-7 (.514)
06-07: 21-19-3 (.523)
07-08: 10-20-7 (.365)
08-09: 11-20-8 (.385)
09-10: 15-18-5 (.461)
10-11: 10-13-9 (.453)

Anzalone's best year was less successful than Roque's worst year.
 
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Nice work, Laker Dude and Dopey.

If Truth Squid and all his/her aliases has the balls to show up after that little dose of reality I'd be surprised.
 
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These were the same kind of numbers in the early and mid 1980's when Lake Superior State didn't seem to have trouble finding great players, with a small budget with Frank Anzalone at the helm, that build your little school into a national powerhouse, and you can thank him for all those banners that seems ancient history now.

But I am sure this will be brought up among his buddies on the forum and the Information Minister up there, as reason to keep this guy around for another four or five years as head coach.

Get those clubs shined, golf season starts in a couple of weeks.

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA

In addition to the issue of inflation of which others beat me to the punch in pointing out what a foolish post you made, you neglect to consider 1. Hockey is now a priority sport at a lot of "big time" schools, so in the 80s the Lakers weren't competing with the likes of an OSU, ND,etc for recruits, now that they are, the Lakers have very little to offer a recruit compared to schools of that stature. 2. Frank and the Lakers didn't have to worry about the NCAA clearinghouse back in the 1980s, and if some of the stories i've heard about the caliber of "student" many of the players from back then were are true, then it would have been a whole new ballgame as far as what the Lakers roster would have looked like if the players from back then had to pass the clearinghouse....
 
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The Lakers missed a golden opportunity to get some seperation from themselves and Ohio State last weekend and make a serious run at 4th place. With several teams in the hunt for home ice, it'll probably take running the table on the remaining games to get there. Looking at the Lakers opponent's for the remaining games, don't bet the ranch on it happening. However, if the hot goal tending and team defense can be matched with some opportunistic offense, who knows..............
 
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Funny to see how you all get on "truth something"'s game.
What a waste of time to argue about Anzalone again and again. By the way, adapting Roque's rhetoric, one could say that Anzalone was progressing, and Roque declined after first taking advantage on Anzalone's hard work ... actually, who cares (except Anzalone who was fired).
Also about figures, crossing what I know about disclosing figures to the public in general, and how it is applied locally, it will take much more evidence to convince me that funds are so scarce at LSSU (comparing to several others); if there really is so little money, then I wonder about the way it is spent.
Raw figures don't show favorable circumstances. Playing NMU a month earlier or later, or having less help from the posts, the stats wouldn't probably be better that those of Anzalone (which was terrible). One question worth considering would be : what is the real difference ?
 
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Funny to see how you all get on "truth something"'s game.
What a waste of time to argue about Anzalone again and again. By the way, adapting Roque's rhetoric, one could say that Anzalone was progressing, and Roque declined after first taking advantage on Anzalone's hard work ... actually, who cares (except Anzalone who was fired).
Also about figures, crossing what I know about disclosing figures to the public in general, and how it is applied locally, it will take much more evidence to convince me that funds are so scarce at LSSU (comparing to several others); if there really is so little money, then I wonder about the way it is spent.
Raw figures don't show favorable circumstances. Playing NMU a month earlier or later, or having less help from the posts, the stats wouldn't probably be better that those of Anzalone (which was terrible). One question worth considering would be : what is the real difference ?

Nobody is necessarily saying that Roque is a good coach by any means and most on here would like to see him get the axe at the end of this season, but when your board is being constantly flooded by moronic posts talking up a coach who did much worse than Roque in his most recent tenure, after awhile it becomes hard not to say something.

As far as the budget goes, if one were to assume (by the given numbers) that LSSU, FSU, and NMU's hockey recruiting budgets are in the same ball park than I would agree with calling into question how that money is being spent and why LSSU is neglecting the USHL when teams like the two mentioned are able to get players from there with regularity.
 
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Nobody is necessarily saying that Roque is a good coach by any means and most on here would like to see him get the axe at the end of this season, but when your board is being constantly flooded by moronic posts talking up a coach who did much worse than Roque in his most recent tenure, after awhile it becomes hard not to say something.
You have a point :)
Messrs Truth etc. , could you please make an effort, concentrating on here and now in a civil manner. You have a lot to bring, if you want to.
 
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Nobody is necessarily saying that Roque is a good coach by any means and most on here would like to see him get the axe at the end of this season, but when your board is being constantly flooded by moronic posts talking up a coach who did much worse than Roque in his most recent tenure, after awhile it becomes hard not to say something.

As far as the budget goes, if one were to assume (by the given numbers) that LSSU, FSU, and NMU's hockey recruiting budgets are in the same ball park than I would agree with calling into question how that money is being spent and why LSSU is neglecting the USHL when teams like the two mentioned are able to get players from there with regularity.

I couldn't have said it any better, thank you.
 
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I think what the lakers do in the play-offs should decide what happens to the coaching staff .
 
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I think what the lakers do in the play-offs should decide what happens to the coaching staff .

That's a very shallow and simplistic way of looking at things. A couple of (good/bad) breaks and a hot goalie can change your fortunes (in either direction) very quickly in a 2-game playoff series. If you're an athletic director, you have to look at the overall state of the program. Is it where you want it to be? If not, do you feel it is moving in the right direction? When making important decisions, you gather as much data as you can. Why base a decision on a playoff series when you have a 6-year track record? In addition to win-loss records, I'm sure the athletic director would also look at things like academic success rates, ticket revenues, public relations, off-ice issues, etc.
 
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That's a very shallow and simplistic way of looking at things. A couple of (good/bad) breaks and a hot goalie can change your fortunes (in either direction) very quickly in a 2-game playoff series. If you're an athletic director, you have to look at the overall state of the program. Is it where you want it to be? If not, do you feel it is moving in the right direction? When making important decisions, you gather as much data as you can. Why base a decision on a playoff series when you have a 6-year track record? In addition to win-loss records, I'm sure the athletic director would also look at things like academic success rates, ticket revenues, public relations, off-ice issues, etc.

I agree Dopey, with Roque being here for 6 years there is certainly some judgements that can be made from what is a substantial amount of data. With that being said (and keep in mind that I agree with you) unfortunately, I do believe the Lakers playoff fortune may tip the scales in favor of Roque staying or not staying with the administration depending on how they do. I believe a first round exit will add fuel to the argument of firing Roque, A second round exit I don't believe will tip the scales in one way or another, and a berth in the final four I think would go a long way towards saving his job (unfortunately). Since a first round win-second round loss is a medium between the two extremes here are the devil's advocate arguments (depending which side of the fence you are on regarding Roque keeping his job) regarding those "extremes" of playoff results as best I can make them:

In the case of a first round playoff exit:

Roque has never had a winning record nor won a playoff series with players that he has recruited, the Lakers over the majority of his time here have put themselves in position to take jumps in the standings but in those crucial series and games have nearly always come out flat and faltered. The Lakers always seem to run out of gas late in the season as a whole and particularly in Saturday games late in the season, look unconditioned and tired (as was the case last Saturday at OSU). The Lakers are at a disadvantage as far as recruiting goes, but it takes no amount of talent to be conditioned, Roque is simply not pushing his team hard enough in practice and as a result they play tired undisciplined hockey late in the season. Many of the close games the Lakers lose they fall because they beat themselves by making stupid mistakes and putting forth uninspired play, not because they were outtalented, and that falls directly on the coach.
A perfect microcosm of this situation is last season when they reached number 18 in national polls only to fall apart in the last month of the season and lose yet again in the first round of the playoffs.... Roque should be fired.

In the case of first and second round wins resulting in a CCHA final four appearance:

Roque has had a tumultous tenure, it started out nicely with a trip to the CCHA final four and winning records in his first two years but then he dropped off a bit. His record with "his" players has been dismal but it may have simply taken awhile for him to get his feet under him as a head coach especially regarding recruiting (granted he has experience with this as an assitant but it can certainly be a little different animal when you are calling the shots in recruiting as opposed to doing the footwork under the direction of a different head coach) this may explain why he had success with Frank's players who were already somewhat conditioned to the tempo and mindset of college hockey and it took some trial and error for Roque to figure out the best way to instill that in "his" players from the moment they started college hockey, but it appears he has gotten those kinks ironed out....

To justify this notion, the Lakers have improved in points in the CCHA the last 3 years (starting from the institution of the shootout) from 21 in 08-09 to 35 last year and have 37 with one series remaining this year. He has started to have success with the recruiting and developing players: 4 of the 5 seniors who have seen regular playing time this season are in the top 10 in scoring for the team, as are 1 of the 2 regular playing juniors and all 4 of the sophomores who see regular action, so with increased experience, Roque's players are making increased contributions to the team. Also let's not forget that despite having a school that is hard to bring top notch players in to, he has managed to find studs in Schofield, Trotman, Monardo, and thus far, Kapalka. There is a plethora of youth on this team and when combining the final four run this year with the fact that next year's team will lose only 2 seniors, the Lakers are clearly on to something. If Roque can get increased scoring output from his returning players next year to offset the losses of the seniors this year (no small feat but if the more experience = more points notion holds true as it has, it can be done, all of which doesn't include any points that next year's class contributes) than the Lakers are in position to be a defenseively sound team that has playoff experience and have a great chance of placing in the top 6 in the next two seasons and hopefully beyond...Roque is finally on the right track and should keep his job.

For what it's worth I will reitirate (sp?) that I do believe that Roque should be fired after this season regardless of the finish but I just thought I would make the most unbiased cases for the best and worst case scenarios regarding the Lakers fortunes the rest of the season and how I believe the pro- and anti- Roque arguments may be made when this is all said and done. Any thoughts or comments (not regarding Frank Anzalone or other mindless rambling:D) would be as always, be much appreciated!
 
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Have to agree and that begs the question of why does a "small" school like Ferris have better success at attracting USHL talent? I think it�s safe to say that Ferris has been somewhat more successful in terms of competing over the past ten years than LSSU has.

The OPJHL is a "fair" league, meaning that while it is not devoid of talent, it is a weaker league in comparison to other leagues across North America. I don't think that a D-1 team can make such a league its primary recruiting grounds and be successful.

I can understand the hesitation that the Laker staff may feel engaging in recruiting battles with other schools concerning USHL talent and its obvious they do not possess the recourses to properly scout the BCHL and AJHL but what about the NAHL? There are several teams in relative close proximity and as a whole the league is better than the OPJHL.

I would say that Ferris, Western and the like get the kids from downstate because well they are from downstate and they have grown up around these schools, maybe gone to a hockey school during the summer and generally just get looked at by these schools more because they are in there backyard. The coaching staffs from FSU amd WMU can drive a few hours and see plenty of USHL action and still be home that night, can the Laker coaches do that? Sure they can if the want to get home in the early morning hours. Look at WMU and FSU rosters and you'll find a lot of michigan kids staying close to home, which i would think, would be easier on the hockey budget overall.
 
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I would say that Ferris, Western and the like get the kids from downstate because well they are from downstate and they have grown up around these schools, maybe gone to a hockey school during the summer and generally just get looked at by these schools more because they are in there backyard. The coaching staffs from FSU amd WMU can drive a few hours and see plenty of USHL action and still be home that night, can the Laker coaches do that? Sure they can if the want to get home in the early morning hours. Look at WMU and FSU rosters and you'll find a lot of michigan kids staying close to home, which i would think, would be easier on the hockey budget overall.

If it is simply about location then how do you explain Northern Michigan's ability to attract 10 players from the USHL, five from the BCHL/AHL and even one from Europe?

Location may play some small part in the Lakers inability to garner talent from the elite leagues but there is obviously much more to it than that. I happen to feel that there is a conscious decision on the part of the coaching staff to recruit heavily from the OPJHL ranks.
 
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