unofan
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Jesus hung out with prostitutes and other undesireables. He told a mob to "let you who is without sin cast the first stone." I think he was fine condoning bad behavior, at least in a live and let live manner.
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Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
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Jesus hung out with prostitutes and other undesireables. He told a mob to "let you who is without sin cast the first stone." I think he was fine condoning bad behavior, at least in a live and let live manner.
He then said "Go and sin no more."
mookie1995
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Jesus married a prostitue and had a kid. He could have been friends with Tucker Max. Seems like an ok dude to Mookie
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Priceless
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Maybe one of the theologians in this thread can tell me exactly where the good book says same sex marriage is supposed to be against the law. I can't seem to find the passage, but I'm just a layman.
Maybe one of the theologians in this thread can tell me exactly where the good book says same sex marriage is supposed to be against the law. I can't seem to find the passage, but I'm just a layman.
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Speaking of things not addressed in the Bible being sins - what are all you heathens doing on the internet? And driving cars? And watching hockey? BLASPHEMERS!
'Cause, see, ... well, er... the Bible *does* mention heterosexual marriage, but it doesn't say anything about homosexual marriage, and, um, so I guess anything that is not discussed in the Bible must be a sin. It absolutely, positively is not the simple fact that homosexual marriage happened to be culturally irrelevant at the time the Bible was written. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Speaking of things not addressed in the Bible being sins - what are all you heathens doing on the internet? And driving cars? And watching hockey? BLASPHEMERS!
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I think Sodomy is one of things that are listed as very bad.
mookie1995
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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I'm hardly a theologian, but there is a passage of the Old Testament which states something along the lines of, "If a man lies with another man, or a woman with another woman, or a man or woman with an animal, it shall be an abomination". I believe it is only in the King James Version of the Bible. I'm paraphrasing, but I know I've heard of this passage before from Protestant folks (I went to Catholic school, though I no longer practice the faith, which used the New American Version). One of the devout will have to clue us in as to the exact book, chapter, and verse. Since marriage implies an exclusive sexual relationship, this passage is usually extended by Christians to include to gay/lesbian marriage.
As always, don't shoot the messenger!
I'm hardly a theologian, but there is a passage of the Old Testament which states something along the lines of, "If a man lies with another man, or a woman with another woman, or a man or woman with an animal, it shall be an abomination". I believe it is only in the King James Version of the Bible. I'm paraphrasing, but I know I've heard of this passage before from Protestant folks (I went to Catholic school, though I no longer practice the faith, which used the New American Version). One of the devout will have to clue us in as to the exact book, chapter, and verse. Since marriage implies an exclusive sexual relationship, this passage is usually extended by Christians to include to gay/lesbian marriage.
As always, don't shoot the messenger!
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St. Clown
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
I believe it's in Leviticus, and not just the King James version. Then again, I've only ever browsed through it as a favor to a friend of mine with whom I have philosophical debates. She's devout Lutheran and I'm atheist and we go back and forth with respect on these things.
mookie1995
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
next you gonna tell us you only brush past the pictures in playboy while reading the articles "in case i see someone i recognize"?
next you gonna tell us you only brush past the pictures in playboy while reading the articles "in case i see someone i recognize"?
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Leviticus also says eating a lobster is a sin. So much for the Maine economy.
Leviticus also says eating a lobster is a sin. So much for the Maine economy.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Probably because there's also another passage talking about sleeping with someone before you're married. I'm not surprised that it would only be in King James; like I said, the Roman way of thinking would take something and screw it up in order to fit their own agenda. Granted, King James was a Brit, but they liked to do the same thing. Not to mention, this was at about the time the Church of England was coming to be, not too far removed from the Western Schism.
Probably because there's also another passage talking about sleeping with someone before you're married. I'm not surprised that it would only be in King James; like I said, the Roman way of thinking would take something and screw it up in order to fit their own agenda. Granted, King James was a Brit, but they liked to do the same thing. Not to mention, this was at about the time the Church of England was coming to be, not too far removed from the Western Schism.
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Like many topics in the Bible, you can probably find several subtle inferences regarding homosexuality (whether intended or not). Likewise, its entirely possible to look past the many strong, multiple messages that you shoud neither judge others nor discriminate. This has been commonplace since the Bible was written. Thankfully society has largely understood what's important...and is greatly improved since the Bible was originally printed.
Like many topics in the Bible, you can probably find several subtle inferences regarding homosexuality (whether intended or not). Likewise, its entirely possible to look past the many strong, multiple messages that you shoud neither judge others nor discriminate. This has been commonplace since the Bible was written. Thankfully society has largely understood what's important...and is greatly improved since the Bible was originally printed.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
And then there's subtle messages where the Bible should not be followed because it fits someone's agenda.
If you want my stance, here it is: Some people want to follow the Bible because it gives them direction and purpose, and makes them happy. I say let them do it. Some people don't want to let some enshrined artifacts run their lives and instead make their own decisions to make them happy. I say let them do it. The dispute has always been when one person believes that his or her beliefs directly trump another person's beliefs, and therein lies the issue. This is where a governing body needs to get out of the way and look at the situation from a standpoint of the person's beliefs.
And then there's subtle messages where the Bible should not be followed because it fits someone's agenda.
If you want my stance, here it is: Some people want to follow the Bible because it gives them direction and purpose, and makes them happy. I say let them do it. Some people don't want to let some enshrined artifacts run their lives and instead make their own decisions to make them happy. I say let them do it. The dispute has always been when one person believes that his or her beliefs directly trump another person's beliefs, and therein lies the issue. This is where a governing body needs to get out of the way and look at the situation from a standpoint of the person's beliefs.Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Absolutlely. I always thought that evangelicals were the primary offenders of rigid, preachy behavior regarding this. In the last few years, I have been exposed to quite a few athiests who shown the same behavior.
The worst is when some tailor the meaning of the Bible (or other doctrine including athiesm) to fit their own beliefs...and then use it to 'tell others what to do'. Frankly that behavior is the antithesis of Jesus' teaching.
And then there's subtle messages where the Bible should not be followed because it fits someone's agenda.
Absolutlely. I always thought that evangelicals were the primary offenders of rigid, preachy behavior regarding this. In the last few years, I have been exposed to quite a few athiests who shown the same behavior.
The worst is when some tailor the meaning of the Bible (or other doctrine including athiesm) to fit their own beliefs...and then use it to 'tell others what to do'. Frankly that behavior is the antithesis of Jesus' teaching.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Sort of reminds me of that one scene from "Footloose" when Kevin Bacon pulls out the Bible and John Lithgow has that "oh ****" look on his face.
Sort of reminds me of that one scene from "Footloose" when Kevin Bacon pulls out the Bible and John Lithgow has that "oh ****" look on his face.
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Priceless
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
So lobsters, scallops and gay people are allowed now?
So lobsters, scallops and gay people are allowed now?
manurespreader
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Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?
Well before I answer priceless, you have to understand something about the bible. If you have an agenda, any agenda, you can find quotes there to support your point of view. You can also find quotes refuting that point of view. So the evangelicals are guilty as charged, and the real problem is no one really hits them in the face with their own BS.
From my point of view, I left church for a long time, but after some thought, came back. I find it makes my life better.
So Priceless, sure, whatever.
Too many people use Chirst's message and the bible in general for money and power. Been going on for a long time, but Don't confuse that with the message.
Well before I answer priceless, you have to understand something about the bible. If you have an agenda, any agenda, you can find quotes there to support your point of view. You can also find quotes refuting that point of view. So the evangelicals are guilty as charged, and the real problem is no one really hits them in the face with their own BS.
From my point of view, I left church for a long time, but after some thought, came back. I find it makes my life better.
So Priceless, sure, whatever.
Too many people use Chirst's message and the bible in general for money and power. Been going on for a long time, but Don't confuse that with the message.
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