Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time

[solovsfett]

Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time

Berenson has two titles in the last 16 years with talent coming out of his ears. He cant carry York's jock, sorry. York is the best college coach ever (I dont just mean hockey).

Jerry York >John Wooden? let's not get too carried away here

 

[TimU]

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I know it's a sore subject for some, but the fact that York has been so successful with mainly college age (i.e. 18/19 year old freshmen), American kids in my opinion is another feather in his cap. I could probably coach a team to the FF if had a team full of 25 year old Canadian, semi-pros like so many schools seem to have these days.

Just remember: there's a reason those kids are playing D1 at 18, while most others don't make it until they're 21. It's because they're way more talented. Not a knock on Jerry York, but having these NHL-caliber 18-year-olds shouldn't be seen as a disadvantage.

 

[streaker]

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Berenson has two titles in the last 16 years with talent coming out of his ears. He cant carry York's jock, sorry. York is the best college coach ever (I dont just mean hockey).

This sounds to me like a person more bitter about Michigan/Berenson than an argument for Jerry York.

York is a class act and brought back a dormant program to a dynasty without scandal.

Best coach ever in all of sports? Yeah, ok. Nice leap.

 

[Onion Man]

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Jerry York >John Wooden? let's not get too carried away here

Im not talking about necessarily guys from the Jurassic era. I'd put him ahead of Coach K at Duke, etc or any of the other coaches across the collegiate spectrum. Wooden is different, but I'm not sure Wooden had to deal with Major Jr, NHL defections, etc either...

 

[Onion Man]

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This sounds to me like a person more bitter about Michigan/Berenson than an argument for Jerry York.

York is a class act and brought back a dormant program to a dynasty without scandal.

Best coach ever in all of sports? Yeah, ok. Nice leap.

First of all, there is no more overrated coach than Red Berenson. You call it what you want, but they have a pipeline to the USNDPT and they have two FF titles since he took over (both needing OT) and have been annual flops in the NCAAs every other year. He's a great regular season coach, but I'm not sure he's a guy who I'd say "can win the big one".

York, to me, is the best coach in any college sport today among the major sports. When it's all said and done, he may be the all time best. I think he is to be honest already.

 

[burd]

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Comparing hockey coaches to bball coaches now--with conviction??!!

The best uniform arguments made more sense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm not going to compare to other sports but I will say that BC's run the last, what, 13 years or so? has been nothing short of amazing. It's the kind of run I dare dreamed that Minnesota could be on after two straight but it didn't happen.

 

[solovsfett]

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First of all, there is no more overrated coach than Red Berenson. You call it what you want, but they have a pipeline to the USNDPT and they have two FF titles since he took over (both needing OT) and have been annual flops in the NCAAs every other year. He's a great regular season coach, but I'm not sure he's a guy who I'd say "can win the big one".

York, to me, is the best coach in any college sport today among the major sports. When it's all said and done, he may be the all time best. I think he is to be honest already.

funny thing about that CC/Mich title game...if CC wins that game Lucia has 3 titles and the conversation really changes (Lucia would then be 1-2 titles away from being considered one of the best of all-time as well). Suddenly you've got 2 guys who won it all @ small schools, move to a bigger school and win more titles. perhaps Jeff Jackson will enter the equation if he wins a couple @ Notre Dame but for now York is king and by a pretty wide margin.

I remember seeing BC in a regional in Madison when Reasoner was on the team. you could tell they were an up and coming "franchise" (as Melrose sometimes calls em), with good players and great coaching. I believe this had to be 1994, or 95? anyway, great team, better coach. Kudos Jerry.

 

[J.D.]

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'94-'95 would have been pre-Reasoner. I think you're talking about the 2000 tourney. I believe BC knocked off #1 Wisconsin to advance to the FF.

Edit: although Reasoner wasn't on that team either.

 

[Carter]

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Not a knock on Jerry York, but having these NHL-caliber 18-year-olds shouldn't be seen as a disadvantage.

Ah, but he retains them. That's the difference. The rest of us don't seem to have that ability.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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Plus, it isn't like other schools don't get Blue Chippers as well. I would say Michigan, Notre Dame, UW, MN, North Dakota, BU, CC and DU all pretty much get nothing but top talent. So even if York does have a recruiting advantage over say schools like UML, PC, UNH, etc, he's still competing on a level playing field with all those previously mentioned schools.

 

[Caustic Undertow]

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Berenson has two titles in the last 16 years with talent coming out of his ears. He cant carry York's jock, sorry. York is the best college coach ever (I dont just mean hockey).

Your ability to discuss this is so clouded that you can't even understand basic pronoun agreement. I think most people can see that I am calling York the greatest of the era. Perhaps you saw "Michigan" and your rose-colored glasses turned black.

As for Red's place with other coaches, he has not been significantly outperformed by any coach of this era, <b>other than York</b>.

 

[joecct]

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Ah, but he retains them. That's the difference. The rest of us don't seem to have that ability.

But how many schools HAVE NHL caliber 18 year olds? Mine doesn't and will not for the foreseeable future.

Now once the integer gets going, does the Ann Arbor program become the defacto BTHC JV with occasional leakages to UND, and HEA?

 

[solovsfett]

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'94-'95 would have been pre-Reasoner. I think you're talking about the 2000 tourney. I believe BC knocked off #1 Wisconsin to advance to the FF.

Edit: although Reasoner wasn't on that team either.

maybe it was 96 or 97 then. dane county coliseum, and BC was there along with RPI and CC IIRC

 

[lewylew]

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York definitely deserves to be in the discussion, but "best ever" is always a debate. I am biased, but I wonder how successful York would still be if Shawn Walsh were still around. Walsh could recruit and "X and O" with the best of them, especially against York and BC.

 

[vizoroo]

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Murray "The Chief" Armstrong, University of Denver, and Jerry York, BC and Bowling Green, have 5 NCAA Championship rings.
Armstrong and York are the only 2 coaches to win 3 titles in 5 years.

Yes, the eras and challenges are different, but what should be considered is the type of programs they have run. Stressing academics, character, team, attitude and achievement. Each man can be considered a class act. Their personal lives are an example for their players. Both have impacted their players in a much larger venue than a 200' x 85' rink.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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While I certainly agree that Walsh was a hell of a coach, unfortunately, there will always be the black cloud of those NCAA violations hanging over his legacy. I've also wondered how successful he would have been without Standbrook by his side all those years. Unfortunately, we never got to see how successful he could have been had he stayed healthy and coached for another 20 years...

 

[TimU]

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Ah, but he retains them. That's the difference. The rest of us don't seem to have that ability.

Well, for the most part they still need to develop physically before they can play in the NHL: the guys at that level are just as talented, and 25-35 years old. That's not Jerry York magic, it's biology. Again, I am not trying to make the argument that York isn't the best college coach at present, or of his generation. But winning with young players isn't such a big feat when those players as a group are just flat-out better hockey players than 90% of the teams they face. And he doesn't have to do anything special to keep an 18-year-old kid from jumping to the NHL. Also, his ability to land all these great players is helped immensely by the facilities and huge budgets he has to work with. Other people with the facilities, TV exposure, and recruiting budget of BC could do extremely well. Maybe not as well as York (and he's been successful at other schools without those advantages), but let's face it: he is in a situation tailor-made for developing perennial contenders.

 

[lewylew]

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Agreed, and Standbrook had a lot to do with Walsh's success, especially recruiting, but one thing to consider is the 2 Maine teams that Whitehead took to the finals and "almost" won with was pretty much leftover from Walsh's days. If only...

With that said, York is definitely deserving of being in the top coaches of all time and a hard guy not to like, but it's so subjective when you consider all the greats.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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Pretty good bet that Maine would have won one of those Championship games had Walsh been at the helm. It truly is amazing how quickly he turned Maine into a powerhouse program.