Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
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Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
The only two years in which BC lost a title game and followed it up by winning the title the next season are 2000 and 2007 which rules out Michigan as the opponent.
And that has nothing at all to do with what the poster in question said.
The only two years in which BC lost a title game and followed it up by winning the title the next season are 2000 and 2007 which rules out Michigan as the opponent.
Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Is this really even debatable?
York is the greatest coach in the history of college hockey. Fact. Science. Book it. Done. Fin.
Absurd winning ways aside, he runs a good, clean program. He's the gold standard.
Not like that scumbag across town..
Is this really even debatable?
York is the greatest coach in the history of college hockey. Fact. Science. Book it. Done. Fin.
Absurd winning ways aside, he runs a good, clean program. He's the gold standard.
Not like that scumbag across town..
Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
My argument against this thought is this:
The best thing Jerry York did in his career was leave Boston. Throughout the 80's and 90's BU and BC always competed for the best "local" kid. Jerry arrived mid to late 90's with experience of the hockey talent nationwide. He landed a New York native recruit Marty Reasoner. Soon, see 2001 roster, players from throughout the country started commiting to BC. Jerry and staff went beyond the Massachusetts border and started recruiting the best North American talent. The counter point to your statement above is Jerry created the culture to get the best North American talent to choose BC. He made that platter and he and his staff load it up each year.
They, the non-local recruits, weren't being handed to BC before Jerry arrived, that's for sure.
He went out and got the kids, created a winning culture, and has successfully repeated this blue print year after year.
My argument against this thought is this:
The best thing Jerry York did in his career was leave Boston. Throughout the 80's and 90's BU and BC always competed for the best "local" kid. Jerry arrived mid to late 90's with experience of the hockey talent nationwide. He landed a New York native recruit Marty Reasoner. Soon, see 2001 roster, players from throughout the country started commiting to BC. Jerry and staff went beyond the Massachusetts border and started recruiting the best North American talent. The counter point to your statement above is Jerry created the culture to get the best North American talent to choose BC. He made that platter and he and his staff load it up each year.
They, the non-local recruits, weren't being handed to BC before Jerry arrived, that's for sure.
He went out and got the kids, created a winning culture, and has successfully repeated this blue print year after year.
Tipsy McStagger
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
I was @ Clarkson from 73-78 with the young Jerry York. He was learning, but he taught me more about how to coach a hockey team (just by watching) than any one of those stinkin' USA Hockey modules.
40 years a coach, 0 swear words. Remarkable.
I was @ Clarkson from 73-78 with the young Jerry York. He was learning, but he taught me more about how to coach a hockey team (just by watching) than any one of those stinkin' USA Hockey modules.
40 years a coach, 0 swear words. Remarkable.
LSSULaker889294
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Only a matter of time when York reaches 1,000 wins.
Only a matter of time when York reaches 1,000 wins.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Agreed, he's got an absolutely sick amount of talent lined for the next 3-4 recruiting classes and just can't see where he's going to win less than 25 games a season anytime soon.
Agreed, he's got an absolutely sick amount of talent lined for the next 3-4 recruiting classes and just can't see where he's going to win less than 25 games a season anytime soon.
Split-N
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Full disclosure: I'm a Northeastern grad. I live and die (mostly die) with the Huskies. I instinctively have no love for either of the institutions located on Commonwealth Ave. But, try as I might, I just can't find any loathing for Jerry York. I'm old enough to know about Marriucci, Armstrong, MacInnes, Mason, Kelley, Kelly, Brooks, Cleary, Johnson and others. My vote still goes to York for all of the reasons cited in the quote....and more.
Full disclosure: I'm a Northeastern grad. I live and die (mostly die) with the Huskies. I instinctively have no love for either of the institutions located on Commonwealth Ave. But, try as I might, I just can't find any loathing for Jerry York. I'm old enough to know about Marriucci, Armstrong, MacInnes, Mason, Kelley, Kelly, Brooks, Cleary, Johnson and others. My vote still goes to York for all of the reasons cited in the quote....and more.
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Hard to argue against him, plus he only 66. He could win a few more titles before it is all done.
What is the other head coach with 5 titles? Someone at Michigan during the 40s and 50's?
Hard to argue against him, plus he only 66. He could win a few more titles before it is all done.
What is the other head coach with 5 titles? Someone at Michigan during the 40s and 50's?
Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
As a UNH fan, and by far no fan of BC, I have to say York is by far the best coach I have ever seen. Can always root against BC, but can never find myself rooting against York, he does it with style and class, any school would be lucky to have him
As a UNH fan, and by far no fan of BC, I have to say York is by far the best coach I have ever seen. Can always root against BC, but can never find myself rooting against York, he does it with style and class, any school would be lucky to have him
MinnesotaNorthStar
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
The shocking thing is he has only won the Penrose once. I'm sure he doesn't care though. He'll take the titles.
The shocking thing is he has only won the Penrose once. I'm sure he doesn't care though. He'll take the titles.
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
"That guy from Michigan" was Vic Heyliger, a giant in the sport, thankyouverymuch.
This conversation makes me sick to my stomach.
I hate watching BC win titles. Drives me nuts. Only team I'd rather see win less in North Dakota, and that's only because they're a threat to Michigan's title record. Thing is, while York always has good talent, it's not like his teams are always the most talented in the country; Michigan, North Dakota, and Minnesota (among others) have also fielded loaded teams throughout York's most successful stretch of play.
I'm a Michigan guy, and I wouldn't trade Red Berenson for anything. A brilliant coach, a molder of men, a true Michigan Man, everything we would want, including championships. Our tourney streak is a cherished record. I hate the idea that someone would be clearly better than Red in some category. Similar, yes; better? Don't like the thought.
But the fact is that York has outshined every one of his peers. He has outperformed Ron Mason. He has outperformed Dean Blais. He has outperformed Jack Parker. He has outperformed Don Lucia. He has outperformed George Gwozdecky. He has outperformed Jeff Jackson.
And he has outperformed Red Berenson. He is by any reasonable criteria the best coach of this era.
All time? We're talking about a wide range of eras, here; the era of Vic Heyliger is vastly different from the era of today, as is the era of Murray Armstrong or Herb Brooks. I think that's a hard comparison to make.
"That guy from Michigan" was Vic Heyliger, a giant in the sport, thankyouverymuch.
This conversation makes me sick to my stomach.
I hate watching BC win titles. Drives me nuts. Only team I'd rather see win less in North Dakota, and that's only because they're a threat to Michigan's title record. Thing is, while York always has good talent, it's not like his teams are always the most talented in the country; Michigan, North Dakota, and Minnesota (among others) have also fielded loaded teams throughout York's most successful stretch of play.
I'm a Michigan guy, and I wouldn't trade Red Berenson for anything. A brilliant coach, a molder of men, a true Michigan Man, everything we would want, including championships. Our tourney streak is a cherished record. I hate the idea that someone would be clearly better than Red in some category. Similar, yes; better? Don't like the thought.
But the fact is that York has outshined every one of his peers. He has outperformed Ron Mason. He has outperformed Dean Blais. He has outperformed Jack Parker. He has outperformed Don Lucia. He has outperformed George Gwozdecky. He has outperformed Jeff Jackson.
And he has outperformed Red Berenson. He is by any reasonable criteria the best coach of this era.
All time? We're talking about a wide range of eras, here; the era of Vic Heyliger is vastly different from the era of today, as is the era of Murray Armstrong or Herb Brooks. I think that's a hard comparison to make.
solovsfett
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
When BC lost to Wisconsin in 06 the team skated off the ice after the handshake and Jerry was upset w/them for not acknowledging their fans before leaving, so he called them all back out (1/2 of them were walking down the tunnel) and asked them to go acknowledge their fans so the team skated to the section w/the largest amount of BC fans and saluted them w/sticks in the air.
This is one reason I feel Jerry is a class act.
Re: different era's, there has to be a way to evaluate this from a dispassionate perspective.
I LOVE Bob Johnson but at this point Jerry York is the better NCAA Coach based solely on NCAA rings. I could argue if Bob had stayed 10 more years at Wisco he'd have 5 or more titles but that didn't happen...Brooks could have 5 or more at Minnesota but he left early as well.
my .02 is what York has done is also even more impressive than Heyliger (sp?) as the competition is much tougher for recruits now and there are far more good to great teams in the tourney each year now as opposed to the 50's.
and that title at Bowling Green? Really? Consider who were the powers back in 84, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Duluth, Michigan State all in the West alone. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment in and of itself.
When BC lost to Wisconsin in 06 the team skated off the ice after the handshake and Jerry was upset w/them for not acknowledging their fans before leaving, so he called them all back out (1/2 of them were walking down the tunnel) and asked them to go acknowledge their fans so the team skated to the section w/the largest amount of BC fans and saluted them w/sticks in the air.
This is one reason I feel Jerry is a class act.
Re: different era's, there has to be a way to evaluate this from a dispassionate perspective.
I LOVE Bob Johnson but at this point Jerry York is the better NCAA Coach based solely on NCAA rings. I could argue if Bob had stayed 10 more years at Wisco he'd have 5 or more titles but that didn't happen...Brooks could have 5 or more at Minnesota but he left early as well.
my .02 is what York has done is also even more impressive than Heyliger (sp?) as the competition is much tougher for recruits now and there are far more good to great teams in the tourney each year now as opposed to the 50's.
and that title at Bowling Green? Really? Consider who were the powers back in 84, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Duluth, Michigan State all in the West alone. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment in and of itself.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
I know it's a sore subject for some, but the fact that York has been so successful with mainly college age (i.e. 18/19 year old freshmen), American kids in my opinion is another feather in his cap. I could probably coach a team to the FF if had a team full of 25 year old Canadian, semi-pros like so many schools seem to have these days.
I know it's a sore subject for some, but the fact that York has been so successful with mainly college age (i.e. 18/19 year old freshmen), American kids in my opinion is another feather in his cap. I could probably coach a team to the FF if had a team full of 25 year old Canadian, semi-pros like so many schools seem to have these days.
Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Just so we're clear, "team full of 25 year old Canadians" is quite the exaggeration. Anyway, to be honest, it doesn't really bother me too much. I'll take the talent over age any day of the week. It's worked out fine for BC. As long as older collegiate players are getting an education and contributing to society, I don't have a problem with it. And while it's great seeing so much local talent playing and winning for BC, I wouldn't think any less of York if he fielded a team full of Canadians.
Just so we're clear, "team full of 25 year old Canadians" is quite the exaggeration. Anyway, to be honest, it doesn't really bother me too much. I'll take the talent over age any day of the week. It's worked out fine for BC. As long as older collegiate players are getting an education and contributing to society, I don't have a problem with it. And while it's great seeing so much local talent playing and winning for BC, I wouldn't think any less of York if he fielded a team full of Canadians.
Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
Berenson has two titles in the last 16 years with talent coming out of his ears. He cant carry York's jock, sorry. York is the best college coach ever (I dont just mean hockey).
Berenson has two titles in the last 16 years with talent coming out of his ears. He cant carry York's jock, sorry. York is the best college coach ever (I dont just mean hockey).
solovsfett
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Re: Jerry York is the best NCAA hockey coach of the last 30 years, maybe of all-time
this has never been a problem for me. I don't care if teams field entirely american or entirely straight from high school line-ups or entire canadian or entirely 20y.o. and up players.
the bottom line is I want to see great hockey, drop the puck!
this has never been a problem for me. I don't care if teams field entirely american or entirely straight from high school line-ups or entire canadian or entirely 20y.o. and up players.
the bottom line is I want to see great hockey, drop the puck!