Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
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Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
I know I shouldn't feed the troll - oh well.
As is often the case, Swami is correct, so I wanted to quote the entire post.
CC has the toughest admissions requirements of any WCHA team. Their 2008 Acceptance rate was 26% (compared with DU's 64%), and 66% of their incoming freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school class (compared with DU's 35%). I'm not trying to knock DU - it's a very good school - but the differences there are stark. Recruiting walk-ons? Total annual cost at CC is over $50k! That makes it pretty tough to recruit walk-ons. When competing with schools like MN and UND that can let pretty much anyone in and don't charge nearly as much, it's tough to compete. There are some very good players that have tried to get into CC (and one I know of to DU) who ended up at UND in particular because they couldn't get past the admissions department. These are guys who have had stellar careers, and might have made the difference in winning more hardware. Yet Owens still has a 0.630 all-time winning percentage, a few regular season trophies, and leads teams that are competitive every year.
It seems as though many people in our society count success only when a team or individual hoists a trophy after their last game. I don't buy it. I think Scott Owens has done a spectacular job in a number of areas - graduation rates, academic all-americans, developing people and players, running a very clean program, representing the school well, and on and on and on. As a hockey coach, he fields a competitive team every season despite having the most challenging set of circumstances of any WCHA coach. If the team were to sink back to UAA/MTU levels of futility, then I would jump on the "Fire Owens" bandwagon, but as long as he's having the kinds of success that he has, I absolutely support him!
I know I shouldn't feed the troll - oh well.
As is often the case, Swami is correct, so I wanted to quote the entire post.
CC has the toughest admissions requirements of any WCHA team. Their 2008 Acceptance rate was 26% (compared with DU's 64%), and 66% of their incoming freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school class (compared with DU's 35%). I'm not trying to knock DU - it's a very good school - but the differences there are stark. Recruiting walk-ons? Total annual cost at CC is over $50k! That makes it pretty tough to recruit walk-ons. When competing with schools like MN and UND that can let pretty much anyone in and don't charge nearly as much, it's tough to compete. There are some very good players that have tried to get into CC (and one I know of to DU) who ended up at UND in particular because they couldn't get past the admissions department. These are guys who have had stellar careers, and might have made the difference in winning more hardware. Yet Owens still has a 0.630 all-time winning percentage, a few regular season trophies, and leads teams that are competitive every year.
It seems as though many people in our society count success only when a team or individual hoists a trophy after their last game. I don't buy it. I think Scott Owens has done a spectacular job in a number of areas - graduation rates, academic all-americans, developing people and players, running a very clean program, representing the school well, and on and on and on. As a hockey coach, he fields a competitive team every season despite having the most challenging set of circumstances of any WCHA coach. If the team were to sink back to UAA/MTU levels of futility, then I would jump on the "Fire Owens" bandwagon, but as long as he's having the kinds of success that he has, I absolutely support him!
Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
While I agree with everything you've said (as well as Puck S), I think the above distinction goes unquestionably to Jamie Russel.
Tech has fairly difficult admissions themselves, hasn't had a successful team in about 35 years, and is a campus with a ratio of about 2:1 for male:female genitalia.
Plus, it's in ****ing Houghton.
While I agree with everything you've said (as well as Puck S), I think the above distinction goes unquestionably to Jamie Russel.
Tech has fairly difficult admissions themselves, hasn't had a successful team in about 35 years, and is a campus with a ratio of about 2:1 for male:female genitalia.
Plus, it's in ****ing Houghton.
LackofSuCCess
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
This was truly funny. Great response. However, unlike Scotty Owens it's unlikely the American people will give this President another term given his substantial shortcomings.
CC's hockey program is taking a nose-dive, which will be paralleled only by the nosedive of Greece's Economy.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
This was truly funny. Great response. However, unlike Scotty Owens it's unlikely the American people will give this President another term given his substantial shortcomings.
CC's hockey program is taking a nose-dive, which will be paralleled only by the nosedive of Greece's Economy.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
All true points except for selectivity of admissions. By virtue of its location, Tech has to admit more people than they probably would if the university were located in the southern Lower Peninsula.
So they admit more than one might think (the average ACT score of each incoming class is only about 26), to account for actual enrollment, plus the inevitable first year attrition when probably 20-25% or so realize they can't handle the academics or the winter weather or the lack of the female species (or some combination of those three).
Nonetheless, it is my opinion that Tech's problems have more to do with lack of recent success than anything else (though bad luck on the recruiting trail in the last three years has not helped). Compounding the problem is that Grade 'A' recruits generally want to play with other Grade 'A' recruits, most of whom are headed for the heavyweights of the league.
All true points except for selectivity of admissions. By virtue of its location, Tech has to admit more people than they probably would if the university were located in the southern Lower Peninsula.
So they admit more than one might think (the average ACT score of each incoming class is only about 26), to account for actual enrollment, plus the inevitable first year attrition when probably 20-25% or so realize they can't handle the academics or the winter weather or the lack of the female species (or some combination of those three).
Nonetheless, it is my opinion that Tech's problems have more to do with lack of recent success than anything else (though bad luck on the recruiting trail in the last three years has not helped). Compounding the problem is that Grade 'A' recruits generally want to play with other Grade 'A' recruits, most of whom are headed for the heavyweights of the league.
owslachief
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
Magic 8-ball comes up with variant of Yes every time.
Magic 8-ball comes up with variant of Yes every time.
Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
I love sports fans. The team had a good season. The coach got a better offer and left. He's disloyal. He's a traitor. He's a take the money and run guy. Have a season where you don't meet expectations. His head must be served on a silver platter. Obviously loyalty is a one way street in the world of sports.
I love sports fans. The team had a good season. The coach got a better offer and left. He's disloyal. He's a traitor. He's a take the money and run guy. Have a season where you don't meet expectations. His head must be served on a silver platter. Obviously loyalty is a one way street in the world of sports.
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LackofSuCCess
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
In the summer time I'm guessing SCOTTY is busy thinking of all the reasons/excuses his team won't be making the playoffs this year.
Here are the top 5:
1) Injuries: Several Tigers are rehabbing currently and there are certainly
going to be one or two more as the season goes along. This is an
all-time favorite.
2) League Expansion: I can hear it now, "This is the toughest league in college hockey and we've just made it tougher by adding two excellent programs."
Predicted 2010-2011 record against these opponents (1-3). Predicted Scotty comment [in a slightly confused and surprised tone] "Geeze, well, Bemidji and Omaha are two good teams. We didn't move our feet or pay the price. They were better."
3) Inexperience: "We're young and this is going to be a process." He'll blame another crappy season on being inexperienced.
4) Predicted Scotty comment following loss to MSU @ GLI: "Wow. Can't remember being that disappointed in a team's efforts. Well unless of course I recall the loss to MSU on our home ice during the NCAA a few years ago. Then again, at least we made it to the tournament that year--not likely to happen again under my coaching tenure."
If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but you all KNOW in your "heart of hearts" that we'll hear these and similar half-assed excuses this year. Maybe if his players spent less time partying/carousing and more time on hockey we'd see a change, but don't look for it with this year's captain's selections, which are subpar other than Dineen.
P.S.--Don't forget the 2nd consecutive loss to Air Force at the Cadet Ice Arena.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
In the summer time I'm guessing SCOTTY is busy thinking of all the reasons/excuses his team won't be making the playoffs this year.
Here are the top 5:
1) Injuries: Several Tigers are rehabbing currently and there are certainly
going to be one or two more as the season goes along. This is an
all-time favorite.
2) League Expansion: I can hear it now, "This is the toughest league in college hockey and we've just made it tougher by adding two excellent programs."
Predicted 2010-2011 record against these opponents (1-3). Predicted Scotty comment [in a slightly confused and surprised tone] "Geeze, well, Bemidji and Omaha are two good teams. We didn't move our feet or pay the price. They were better."
3) Inexperience: "We're young and this is going to be a process." He'll blame another crappy season on being inexperienced.
4) Predicted Scotty comment following loss to MSU @ GLI: "Wow. Can't remember being that disappointed in a team's efforts. Well unless of course I recall the loss to MSU on our home ice during the NCAA a few years ago. Then again, at least we made it to the tournament that year--not likely to happen again under my coaching tenure."
If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but you all KNOW in your "heart of hearts" that we'll hear these and similar half-assed excuses this year. Maybe if his players spent less time partying/carousing and more time on hockey we'd see a change, but don't look for it with this year's captain's selections, which are subpar other than Dineen.
P.S.--Don't forget the 2nd consecutive loss to Air Force at the Cadet Ice Arena.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
umassfan49
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Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
I don't see how you can even justify this thread. Honestly I know CC is a traditional power in the WCHA, and missing the NCAAs 2 straight years really doesn't change that. Granted they were expected to do well in 08-09 and although your currently rebuilding in a way your still very close. Joe Howe seems to be a pretty good replacement for Bachman, although not the same. Look at Maine, they made a run in the Hockey East tournament this year and resigned Whitehead for another 3 years when pretty much everyone was calling for his head. If CC makes a run at the NCAAs this year there is certainly no reason to fire Owens at all.
I don't see how you can even justify this thread. Honestly I know CC is a traditional power in the WCHA, and missing the NCAAs 2 straight years really doesn't change that. Granted they were expected to do well in 08-09 and although your currently rebuilding in a way your still very close. Joe Howe seems to be a pretty good replacement for Bachman, although not the same. Look at Maine, they made a run in the Hockey East tournament this year and resigned Whitehead for another 3 years when pretty much everyone was calling for his head. If CC makes a run at the NCAAs this year there is certainly no reason to fire Owens at all.
PenaltyBoxBeast
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Being the only other Tiger fan on this message board in the summer, I feel obligated to point out how this guy is spewing crazy talk and speaks lies.
Scott Owens has put the Tigers in excellent position to make a run this season. First of all, most of the team has been here the entire summer and working out. The new captains have taken their roles seriously and seem to be working the team hard this summer. Lowery is going to be a great captain. The second point I would like to make is that Scott Owens has put together a great schedule this season. I can't wait to watch the Tigers play Michigan State, RPI, Yale, and Huntsville. Strength of schedule is everything when it comes to pairwise rankings and the Tigers are in good shape in that department. Scott Owens, Bonnett, and Lammers have done a great job recruiting in recent years and this summer. The addition of Josh Thorimbert at goaltender fortifies a solid group of incoming freshmen. The young but highly talented bunch coming through CC right now could be as exciting as the seasons we had Marty Sertich and Mark Stuart. Jaden and Rylan Schwartz will be a ton of fun to watch this season.
Scott Owens has done a good job this offseason with building our schedule and recruiting. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is dead.
Being the only other Tiger fan on this message board in the summer, I feel obligated to point out how this guy is spewing crazy talk and speaks lies.
Scott Owens has put the Tigers in excellent position to make a run this season. First of all, most of the team has been here the entire summer and working out. The new captains have taken their roles seriously and seem to be working the team hard this summer. Lowery is going to be a great captain. The second point I would like to make is that Scott Owens has put together a great schedule this season. I can't wait to watch the Tigers play Michigan State, RPI, Yale, and Huntsville. Strength of schedule is everything when it comes to pairwise rankings and the Tigers are in good shape in that department. Scott Owens, Bonnett, and Lammers have done a great job recruiting in recent years and this summer. The addition of Josh Thorimbert at goaltender fortifies a solid group of incoming freshmen. The young but highly talented bunch coming through CC right now could be as exciting as the seasons we had Marty Sertich and Mark Stuart. Jaden and Rylan Schwartz will be a ton of fun to watch this season.
Scott Owens has done a good job this offseason with building our schedule and recruiting. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is dead.
LackofSuCCess
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Your all beast team is laughable: Nate Prosser? That guy got pushed around so badly on the ice I'm surprised the water pressure in the shower didn't knock him down in the morning.
Pete Geranazzo, Colin Schmidt, Cal Elfring, Eric Rud, Sean Reid, Ryan Reynard all deserve to be ahead of Nate Prosser.
Owens is mediocre!
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
Your all beast team is laughable: Nate Prosser? That guy got pushed around so badly on the ice I'm surprised the water pressure in the shower didn't knock him down in the morning.
Pete Geranazzo, Colin Schmidt, Cal Elfring, Eric Rud, Sean Reid, Ryan Reynard all deserve to be ahead of Nate Prosser.
Owens is mediocre!
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
PenaltyBoxBeast
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Nate Prosser will probably be playing with the Wild next season. I know the Wild aren't great, but making an NHL roster is something that most defensemen don't do. Here's the link showing the situation.
http://cchockey.freedomblogging.com/2010/06/16/in-the-pros-future-looks-bright-for-prosser/11663/
Nate Prosser will probably be playing with the Wild next season. I know the Wild aren't great, but making an NHL roster is something that most defensemen don't do. Here's the link showing the situation.
http://cchockey.freedomblogging.com/2010/06/16/in-the-pros-future-looks-bright-for-prosser/11663/
LackofSuCCess
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I doubt he'll make it on the Wild Roster. And here, TJ Oshie who IS a bona fide NHL-er shows why in a game dating to several years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pasfffw75GY
Prosser was one of the most overrated/disappointing CC recruits in many years.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS
I doubt he'll make it on the Wild Roster. And here, TJ Oshie who IS a bona fide NHL-er shows why in a game dating to several years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pasfffw75GY
Prosser was one of the most overrated/disappointing CC recruits in many years.
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS
Dirty
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Nate Prosser was in Moorhead, MN yesterday along with Brent Burns for a summer tour with the Wild and was scheduled to also visit Grand Forks. Rumor has it Prosser refused to set foot in Grand Forks without assurances that TJ Oshie was not within the city limits.
Nate Prosser was in Moorhead, MN yesterday along with Brent Burns for a summer tour with the Wild and was scheduled to also visit Grand Forks. Rumor has it Prosser refused to set foot in Grand Forks without assurances that TJ Oshie was not within the city limits.
LackofSuCCess
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At about the 1:02 mark you'll see Prosser getting owned again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGnHaU9syI
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
At about the 1:02 mark you'll see Prosser getting owned again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGnHaU9syI
FIRE SCOTTY OWENS!
Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
In more than 2 months you still haven't been able to come up with a reply to my post? Face it - given that CC has the hardest job in the WCHA based on admissions requirements and cost to walk-on players, his 0.630 winning percentage is outstanding. CC will have an extremely difficult time finding a head coach who can match his success given the challenges they face.
In more than 2 months you still haven't been able to come up with a reply to my post? Face it - given that CC has the hardest job in the WCHA based on admissions requirements and cost to walk-on players, his 0.630 winning percentage is outstanding. CC will have an extremely difficult time finding a head coach who can match his success given the challenges they face.
Happy
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he didn't want to get hit by a flying lawn mower, ran over by a drunken driver, or get p!ssed on in the elevator. you can't really blame him for that.
he didn't want to get hit by a flying lawn mower, ran over by a drunken driver, or get p!ssed on in the elevator. you can't really blame him for that.
SCSU Euro
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Hate to break it to you... that's not getting owned AGAIN, its the same hit.
And I agree, I heard it's pretty likely Prosser will at least start the season next year in Houston; maybe he'll end up with the Wild later on in the year, who knows.
Hate to break it to you... that's not getting owned AGAIN, its the same hit.
And I agree, I heard it's pretty likely Prosser will at least start the season next year in Houston; maybe he'll end up with the Wild later on in the year, who knows.
Re: Is It Time For Cc To Fire Scott Owens?
Your an idiot. Most of the players you mention here were recruited by Owens or he at least helped recruit them in some way. Your probably just a bitter DU fan that can't get over the choke job that they displayed at the NCAA tournament this year and you have nothing better to do then make stupid comments about Owens. As Rich said below you have yet to make a suggestion as to who CC should replace him with to make the program better. Until you can man up and do that you should keep your mouth shut.
Your an idiot. Most of the players you mention here were recruited by Owens or he at least helped recruit them in some way. Your probably just a bitter DU fan that can't get over the choke job that they displayed at the NCAA tournament this year and you have nothing better to do then make stupid comments about Owens. As Rich said below you have yet to make a suggestion as to who CC should replace him with to make the program better. Until you can man up and do that you should keep your mouth shut.