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Irish Hockey: Straight Inta Compton

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I am also perturbed at the vagueness and non-committal statements still coming out. The new conference did not actually say ND was uninvited.
No, but they have supposedly said they're going to begin play with only eight teams. That doesn't make ND uninvited (going back to my "how stable will this really be" question), but it does make ND going a different direction for 2013-2014.
 
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No, but they have supposedly said they're going to begin play with only eight teams. That doesn't make ND uninvited (going back to my "how stable will this really be" question), but it does make ND going a different direction for 2013-2014.
NCHC probably didn't want to totally burn the bridge. However, at this point, ND has chosen it's direction for 2013-2014 which is taking their ball(puck) East.

Notre Dame hockey: Irish appear headed to Hockey East
Tom Nevala, Notre Dame’s senior associate athletic director in charge of hockey, said Notre Dame would likely have an announcement Wednesday considering its future conference affiliation.

"At this point we have finished our investigation as to what our future affiliation is going to be," Nevala said prior to Notre Dame’s exhibition game Sunday evening at the Joyce Center. "I think it’s prudent at this point to wait until we have all the parties involved together, all the formalities out of the way and then the appropriate announcement will be made. I look for that probably Wednesday of this week."
Link: http://www.southbendtribune.com/sbt...eaded-to-hockey-east-20111002,0,6126428.story

It sucks, I was hoping that North Dakota and Notre Dame would get to play against each other regularly. Alas, it wasn't meant to be. Good luck to your program when it officially begins Hockey East play.
 
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First of all 8 of the 10 schools are within 90 minutes of Boston... Do you really think flights to Denver, Duluth, Omaha, MSP and Grand Forks would be any easier than flights to New England?
90 minutes. 2 hours. Whoopee ding. They would not have to fly for every away game in the new conference (Miami, WMU...) and would fly fewer times given the smaller conference.
J.D. said:
If they did travel partners for trips to ND, ND could play BC and BU on a Friday/Saturday night.
How is this different from my complaint. If your scenario happens, that is still a total of one weekend per team per year.

And all the writings still really don't say anything. What you all are quoting/paraphrasing is still just vague enough that nothing is definitive. Watergate didn't have this much secrecy and non-denial denials. Do I think Wednesday will come and go without an answer? You betcha.
 
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ND to Hockey East, huh? Should be interesting. I would imagine ND would play Boston College during their football weekends if possible. Probably a good thing for Hockey East, too.
 
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I suppose a schedule like that could work, but it seems wasteful to have two teams travel out to IN in a weekend when it could just be one.

If Hockey East goes to 12 as expected, they've already brought up the probability of a 22 game league schedule--true home and home with every other team. Why then would only one HE team be sent out to South Bend on a weekend? I can't imagine there being a lot of midweek games on ND's schedule. As an example, with the ECAC travel partners, you're either home for the weekend or on the road. That's how I think it would be for ND. One home league game every other week wouldn't work.

How is this different from my complaint. If your scenario happens, that is still a total of one weekend per team per year.

Huh? You said, or the way you worded it, made it seem like you'd only see each HE every other year in your building.
 
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Huh.

Would have liked to have you guys west, given it would have been a nice little triangle of bus trips. Hopefully we still can get a few home and homes ahead of farking Penn State (based on the one rumor where ND wanted to basically play the Big Ten as their non-conference schedule)
 
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Huh? You said, or the way you worded it, made it seem like you'd only see each HE every other year in your building.

There was talk before that teams would play true "home and homes" (on a Friday and Sat night) but that ND would be "unbalanced" in that they would have either 2 home games or 2 away games against each team, each year....so for example, instead of a home and home, BC would play 2 at ND one year, then ND would play 2 at BC the following year.... not sure if that idea has any legs or not.
 
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If Hockey East goes to 12 as expected, they've already brought up the probability of a 22 game league schedule--true home and home with every other team. Why then would only one HE team be sent out to South Bend on a weekend?
Because I don't think a true home-and-home schedule is practical for ND in Hockey East. The ECAC makes it work with a travel partner arrangement, but ND's nearest possible travel partner would still be about six hours of air travel away. Maybe it could be done with Friday-Sunday games, but would anybody actually be happy with that? (Among other things, I think the fatigue factor would give the Irish a big advantage in Sunday games in that hypothetical scenario.)
 
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As an HEA fan, I remain skeptical but optimistic about ND possibly joining New England's premiere collegiate conference. I don't think Hockey East NEEDS nd, frankly I think there's a lot of untapped growth potential available to the current ten. I hate to blame the Commissioner's office but I think that a little more legwork on the marketing and media relations side of things would be a major boon to the league, with or without ND. That said, ND is obviously a big name and maybe it would be a catalyst for the media to start paying more attention to our fair league. BC/ND would definitely be a big draw.. I'd try and get over to Chestnut Hill for that game.

As for the 12th cylon, UConn makes the most logical sense geographically and alumni-base wise, but RPI is by all means a solid program and I'd take them over a flacid Uconn program.
 
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90 minutes. 2 hours. Whoopee ding. They would not have to fly for every away game in the new conference (Miami, WMU...) and would fly fewer times given the smaller conference.

How is this different from my complaint. If your scenario happens, that is still a total of one weekend per team per year.

And all the writings still really don't say anything. What you all are quoting/paraphrasing is still just vague enough that nothing is definitive. Watergate didn't have this much secrecy and non-denial denials. Do I think Wednesday will come and go without an answer? You betcha.

Unless I am missing something I would think that Notre Dame would have to fly East 6 times in the regular season to complete 11 road games in Hockey East versus 5 flights in the NCHC. Not even sure how many league games in the NCHC but Hockey East will almost definately be 22. Leaves ND plenty of room to schedule Big Ten teams along with Miami and a few others. Out of 12 non-league games I would say a minimum of 7 would be at home so travel wouldn't be that much different.
 
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There was talk before that teams would play true "home and homes" (on a Friday and Sat night) but that ND would be "unbalanced" in that they would have either 2 home games or 2 away games against each team, each year....so for example, instead of a home and home, BC would play 2 at ND one year, then ND would play 2 at BC the following year.... not sure if that idea has any legs or not.

My guess is that this is what would happen along with one other school playing ND home and home every year. Possibly RPI if they are the 12th. So all others would play 2 at home versus ND every other year.
 
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Amid all the talk and speculation I remember posting this in July:

I've heard quiet rumblings that Notre Dame has already tentatively accepted an invitation to the conference they would prefer to be in, but logistics are left to be worked out. All the talk from the powers that be at Notre Dame about there being no hurry and biding their time is just that, talk. They are doing their due diligence of course, but this is just a positioning ploy to give them an out to work out something with someone else if they don't get some of what they want. If what I'm being told is correct, the television aspects are being overstated in a lot of the online speculation and chatter. Exposure (television) is one criteria being worked out, but is hardly the only factor in where Notre Dame hopes to land.

While I may seem to have been wrong about the "biding their time" part, allow me this: We're talking about an arrangement that is two full seasons away still. 3 or 4 months of investigation and negotiation is really nothing at all. Things like this can move quicker, but they can also move much MORE glacially than this appears to have been moving.

Anyway...

It seems as though some in the NCHC and those who follow some of the teams are saying either they tired of waiting on us, or found some of our “demands” to be unacceptable. What were those demands, exactly? Scheduling? TV coverage? TV revenue sharing? Conference tournament location?

The only demand Notre Dame could have made that could fairly be perceived as unfair would be to want the NCHC to ensure that a TV contract with a national network would feature Notre Dame, and be a de facto Notre Dame hockey arrangement, as opposed to a true NCHC “game of the week.” But no team in the NCHC and few in college hockey have any kind of true “national” sports following. This can’t be a surprise to any faithful follower of college hockey, and wherever Notre Dame ends up, they’ll be a primary TV draw. There is no substantial money involved in a college hockey TV agreement or much of a potential in a ratings windfall, so fighting over a small amount of money or very few eyes is hardly in the best interests of any of the 8 teams. A particular scheduling model shouldn’t have been a major roadblock to anyone, because I cannot imagine Notre Dame insisting on anything far removed from the ordinary. A berth in Hockey East will surely mean a distant conference tournament for Notre Dame, so how hard would they have been pushing for, say, Chicago as a condition of joining the NCHC?

Isn’t it just as possible that there were teams making “demands” on Notre Dame that were unreasonable, especially considering that Notre Dame’s athletic department dwarfs those of all the schools in either conference (1 year old data shows ND about 40% larger than even BC)? Perhaps one set of schools or another thought with such a large bank account Notre Dame should have paid a “higher” price to join up, because they were more able to do so. While not a bad guy in any of this, Notre Dame is nonetheless not going to be giving away the store just for the “privilege” of joining any conference. And why should they? Either conference would see many positives in having Notre Dame as a member. And some challenges. For Hockey East it would mean some changes in the way they travel and most likely a change in the way their conference schedule looks. It may mean giving up a game each season against a long held rival. For the NCHC it brings in a team that may draw some attention away from the novelty of being a new league and may center attention a little further East than they may prefer. There too teams may have had to play fewer games against the bigger draws in the league to accommodate Notre Dame on the docket. Both conferences offer profound positives and real challenges to Notre Dame as well. Notre Dame fans have all sorts of opinions on those.

The rumblings I heard in July came from someone closer to the athletic department than I am, but not so close as to be necessarily privy to anything private. How it was explained made it sound that way to me as well, but that the decision making process was ongoing and nothing was set in stone. It still sounds to me that wherever we end up was the intended destination all along. I acknowledge this will not correspond to some of the theories out there. Take that for what it’s worth, and of course absent named sources and public confirmation, take all of this for what it is worth. I do acknowledge that aspect frustrates some of you as well.

Believe it or not, I have no strong opinion one way or the other as to where Notre Dame ends up. I might be the only one, Notre Dame fan or otherwise, who seems to feel this way.
 
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Because I don't think a true home-and-home schedule is practical for ND in Hockey East. The ECAC makes it work with a travel partner arrangement, but ND's nearest possible travel partner would still be about six hours of air travel away. Maybe it could be done with Friday-Sunday games, but would anybody actually be happy with that? (Among other things, I think the fatigue factor would give the Irish a big advantage in Sunday games in that hypothetical scenario.)

As you can imagine, this is hard to fully understand without seeing how it would be handled. I guess I was thinking that when ND travels, schools are close enough together where they'd be able to play two in a weekend without ridiculous amounts of travel in between spots. They wouldn't even need a set travel partner.
 
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I guess I was thinking that when ND travels, schools are close enough together where they'd be able to play two in a weekend without ridiculous amounts of travel in between spots. They wouldn't even need a set travel partner.
Oh, I agree with this, for the most part, although Maine, UVM, and RPI would be problematic. I think ND's scheduling would be driven by logistical considerations on the South Bend end of things. Also, if you were to pair ND with Maine, UVM, or RPI, it would tend to neaten things for the rest of the conference as well, as they could invert the ND schedule for that team (i.e. in one season, Northeastern would play two at Notre Dame and two at home against Maine/UVM/RPI, and then flip it the following season).
 
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Oh, I agree with this, for the most part, although Maine, UVM, and RPI would be problematic. I think ND's scheduling would be driven by logistical considerations on the South Bend end of things. Also, if you were to pair ND with Maine, UVM, or RPI, it would tend to neaten things for the rest of the conference as well, as they could invert the ND schedule for that team (i.e. in one season, Northeastern would play two at Notre Dame and two at home against Maine/UVM/RPI, and then flip it the following season).

I think the Friday-Sunday format would work if necessary. As an example, if ND was traveling to play Maine and UNH in a weekend. I could also see scenarios where ND would travel out here for just one game on the weekend (Maine as the example).
 
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I think the Friday-Sunday format would work if necessary. As an example, if ND was traveling to play Maine and UNH in a weekend. I could also see scenarios where ND would travel out here for just one game on the weekend (Maine as the example).

Maybe... although from a fan's persepctive, isn't Saturday night the best night to have home games?
 
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Mike McMahon has just posted this article in the Eagle Tribune.

Link to full article

Notre Dame will join Hockey East beginning in the 2013 season, according to multiple sources. An announcement could come from the league as early as today and the Irish have scheduled an announcement for Wednesday.

Notre Dame was choosing between Hockey East and the newly formed National Collegiate Hockey Conference after the Big 10, which will sponsor hockey beginning in 2013, took teams from the CCHA (Notre Dame's former conference) leaving the Irish affiliated with smaller schools.

Earlier yesterday, the NCHC released a statement saying that it chose to move forward with eight teams.

"We are very confident with our decision and excited to move forward as a strong eight-team conference," said Brian Faison, North Dakota athletic director and the AD committee spokesman. "As we have stated many times, it is our goal to establish the National Collegiate Hockey Conference as the premier conference in men's hockey and there's no question in our minds that we are well positioned to do so with our membership."

Notre Dame's decision was based largely on television. Soon, each conference in the country will announce its own television deal with NBC Sports Network (what Versus will turn into in January) to air college hockey games nationally. Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract.

The NCHC, according to sources, was reluctant to go along with Notre Dame's television wishes.


Hockey East will also start the process of considering schools for a 12th program to the league. Candidates include RPI and UConn, but a decision has not been made.
 
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Mike McMahon has just posted this article in the Eagle Tribune.

Link to full article

McMahon's article, like many before, has mistakes. Notre Dame does not have a deal on their own yet with Versus (soon to be NBC Sports Network). He has since corrected himself.

It amazes me how shoddy a lot of the reporting has been regarding all of the conference shuffling. Many of these "journalists" ought to be ashamed of themselves, publishing so many things absent confirmation from the parties involved. It has been going on non-stop since the spring. Then you have the local paper here in South Bend doing their level headed best to ignore the whole thing, like it didn't matter at all. My guess is some of the things that have been thrown about by people here on USCHO and other team-oriented web forums have ended up in some of these articles. All things considered, the South Bend Tribune probably carries the least guilt, seeing as how they have published so little, and what they have published at least contained quotes from the participants, lending at least a little credibility to the process. Of course had they been out front and pursued this story with a tenth of the zeal they pursue the preferred flavor of Gatorade at this week's football practice, perhaps Notre Dame would have felt a little more pressure to appear to be more out in front of this story. As it is, when it's all said and done now Notre Dame will look like it was left to go begging, hat in hand. Whether or not this is true.
 
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Maybe... although from a fan's persepctive, isn't Saturday night the best night to have home games?

I don't see any real necessity, and too many drawbacks for it to be a likely choice.

Yes, Saturday night is best for home games, but the Friday Sunday option could work when Notre Dame makes the trip to play Maine. That's just one possibility.

McMahon's article, like many before, has mistakes. Notre Dame does not have a deal on their own yet with Versus (soon to be NBC Sports Network). He has since corrected himself.

It amazes me how shoddy a lot of the reporting has been regarding all of the conference shuffling. Many of these "journalists" ought to be ashamed of themselves, publishing so many things absent confirmation from the parties involved. It has been going on non-stop since the spring. Then you have the local paper here in South Bend doing their level headed best to ignore the whole thing, like it didn't matter at all. My guess is some of the things that have been thrown about by people here on USCHO and other team-oriented web forums have ended up in some of these articles. All things considered, the South Bend Tribune probably carries the least guilt, seeing as how they have published so little, and what they have published at least contained quotes from the participants, lending at least a little credibility to the process. Of course had they been out front and pursued this story with a tenth of the zeal they pursue the preferred flavor of Gatorade at this week's football practice, perhaps Notre Dame would have felt a little more pressure to appear to be more out in front of this story. As it is, when it's all said and done now Notre Dame will look like it was left to go begging, hat in hand. Whether or not this is true.

Wait, where did McMahon correct himself? I still see "Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract."
 
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