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Irish hockey '12-'13: Why would you not wanna go there?

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Oh, and by the way, I hope Pooley enjoyed the shower he took after his penalty killing unit gave away whatever scrap of momentum by basically playing an ol'e defense. Best water bottle toss I've seen Jackson make since 2009 at the Joyce. Of course he was angry at Kevin Langseth then, not completely frustrated with his own team/coach. Bench everyone you can and start the scrubs. More histrionics there for you.
 
Re: Irish hockey '12-'13: Why would you not wanna go there?

Oh, and by the way, I hope Pooley enjoyed the shower he took after his penalty killing unit gave away whatever scrap of momentum by basically playing an ol'e defense. Best water bottle toss I've seen Jackson make since 2009 at the Joyce. Of course he was angry at Kevin Langseth then, not completely frustrated with his own team/coach. Bench everyone you can and start the scrubs. More histrionics there for you.

Feel better?
 
Re: Irish hockey '12-'13: Why would you not wanna go there?

Just puttin' it out in the universe that ND better win tonight, lest we watch a promising first half slip into oblivion.
 
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Just puttin' it out in the universe that ND better win tonight, lest we watch a promising first half slip into oblivion.

Sigh.
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So the SBT article claims that 4 games do not a trend make. How about 6?

Since the turn of the calendar, this is the trend: 1.67 GF/game. 2.83 GA/game (I'm not counting the ENG's otherwise that number would be north of 3). Scoring first in 4 of the 6 games but winning only one those. 8% on the PP. Giving up a goal in the first 2 minutes of the game twice. Giving up a goal within 40 seconds after scoring twice. Giving up 2 goals within a span of 80 seconds three times.

Some of these stats are literally the opposite of the first half of the season.

As a paying customer, one who, unlike the students, does not need to be bribed to attend games, and who will return year after year ad infinitum, I demand better of the product on the ice. Dare I say, I deserve better for my money.
 
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Calm down.

P.S. You were the one wetting your pants after the first three weekends even though we were 4-2 and had won the IceBreaker Tournament. Then we won all but one of our next ten games, where the only game we lost should have ended up a tie. JJ just has to get everyone back on the same page, no need for hystrionics.

Actually, we were 5-1 after three weekends. And while all wins are nice, none of them were over teams that would be included in the tournament should it start today, so not really a murderer's row.

Do you need to be reminded that last season as the Irish fell further and further out of contention you were the one railing against Jackson for continuing to start Mike Johnson and also had given up on the season before it was over? Pot, meet kettle, I guess. And the last time I checked, I haven't said anything is over. I said some things are worrisome.

Worrisome like losing despite scoring first, something that we've now done 3 games in a row after going 13-0 when lighting the lamp first. Like goaltending, which was the strongest area of this team by the time we were 14-4, but has now become mediocre at best. Johnson can not be counted on and Summerhays has become a nightmare of fundamental back-sliding. His glove hand looks slow, he's out of position frequently, his rebound control has gone to hell, and he's lost his cool quite visibly lately with alarming regularity. Like special teams. 1 for 18 on the PP while the other guys have scored 4 in the last 4 games. I know people are hurt, and this is as close as the team can come to having a legitimate excuse for the struggles, but to a great extent, special teams play can be impacted by doing fundamental things properly. 5-5 and 4-4 can be impacted to a much greater extent by your talent level, but special teams can rely on some very basic principles. Principles like puck support, positioning, hard work to establish net front presence and shooting the puck. Fundamentals disappear from this team with stunning regularity once things get tough. It's why they lost last year and why they have begun another tailspin this year.

We went from first place in the CCHA by a full game with 2-3 games in hand on the entire league to tied with games in hand on neither of the two teams we could have buried had we continued to play well. We were 3rd in the PWR after beating BG in December and now we are 10th. One more bad weekend and we will be on the outside looking in. Those are all facts. Not speculation. Not histrionics. Facts.

Jackson has his shiny new barn and a team full of NHL draft picks (12, three times as many as the teams we are on a four-game losing streak to COMBINED) to work with. Yet we get outworked and outcoached repeatedly, especially in our own building. Our players and coaches all say the right things about the arena that they've been blessed to play in, and that arena was one very big and expensive reason for rostering more NHL picks than any other team in the league. Yet after christening it with a 5-0 start we are only 14-12 since. This program played in two Frozen Fours while calling the Joyce Center home. They played for a title with a team with half as many NHL prospects as this one, and got to the final game while missing their best player. In retrospect, when I said the teams from 2007-09 would mop the floor with this one, I was probably darning them with faint praise.

I want to see this team fix some problems for a change instead of letting them define yet another season. I've said it many times, talent is a heavy burden to carry. This team has yet to show it can shoulder the load.
 
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IHF u seem to follow this team very closely, has 26 and 17 been part of the PK at any part of the season so far up until last nite.Also I know they were short in that area but to keep them out after the first goal seemed perplexing.
 
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IHF u seem to follow this team very closely, has 26 and 17 been part of the PK at any part of the season so far up until last nite.Also I know they were short in that area but to keep them out after the first goal seemed perplexing.

Jackson has utilized at one point or another most of the forwards on the team on the PK, including Fogarty and Larson. Lucia, Schneider and Nugent don't tend to see a lot of PK time as part of a normal unit.
 
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I said it last year and I'll say it again. I miss the Joyce Center. The place was a dump but the focus in that building was on one thing and one thing only, hockey. I sat there last night thinking ND is great at manipulating psychological conditions to control the crowd. What's funny is most of us don't even realize it. As soon as there is a controversial call or play the arena management goes instantly to dance cam, kiss cam or fan of the game. It immediately gets the crowd' s attention off hockey and on stupid stuff.

Also the seats on the north side of the arena are unusually small. That means once you are wedged in you can't get up (point granted that I could stand to lose a few lbs). There is a guy behind me that used to be one of the "back row loudmouths" at the Joyce. I think the only time he stands up anymore are for National Anthem and salute the vet. Speaking of that, sure it makes ND feel all warm and fuzzy ( words not usually associated with hockey) and patriotic but it takes the focus AWAY from the ice again.

Lastly and I'll get the rant out of my system, I used to enjoy talking hockey with the folks around me. Now we are constantly bombarded with artificial, fake (can we use that word in an ND thread) piped in noise in the form of music that I can't talk with the guy next to me. He is a great hockey guy to talk with and a yeller but he is so wedged in his seat I feel bad going to the restroom during the intermission.

So there is your fan experience at Compton. You're no longer going just to watch and cheer for a hockey team. It has become a fake entertainment experience. Maybe next rant we can talk about how the building affects the on ice action.
 
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You're preachin' to the choir ND1.

Please e-mail Darin Ottaviani (Darin.J.Ottaviani.1@nd.edu) to complain about the noise. I have done so and the more people who do...who knows? They may even listen to us.
 
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I said it last year and I'll say it again. I miss the Joyce Center. The place was a dump but the focus in that building was on one thing and one thing only, hockey. I sat there last night thinking ND is great at manipulating psychological conditions to control the crowd. What's funny is most of us don't even realize it. As soon as there is a controversial call or play the arena management goes instantly to dance cam, kiss cam or fan of the game. It immediately gets the crowd' s attention off hockey and on stupid stuff.

Also the seats on the north side of the arena are unusually small. That means once you are wedged in you can't get up (point granted that I could stand to lose a few lbs). There is a guy behind me that used to be one of the "back row loudmouths" at the Joyce. I think the only time he stands up anymore are for National Anthem and salute the vet. Speaking of that, sure it makes ND feel all warm and fuzzy ( words not usually associated with hockey) and patriotic but it takes the focus AWAY from the ice again.

Lastly and I'll get the rant out of my system, I used to enjoy talking hockey with the folks around me. Now we are constantly bombarded with artificial, fake (can we use that word in an ND thread) piped in noise in the form of music that I can't talk with the guy next to me. He is a great hockey guy to talk with and a yeller but he is so wedged in his seat I feel bad going to the restroom during the intermission.

So there is your fan experience at Compton. You're no longer going just to watch and cheer for a hockey team. It has become a fake entertainment experience. Maybe next rant we can talk about how the building affects the on ice action.

I heartily agree with this entire post and also sing in the choir. There are times during the seemingly endless din when I believe I could yell the F-word at the top of my lungs and not a soul around me would hear it. I would suggest you come on over to the ND tunnel and commiserate with JJfP and me, but we wouldn't be able to hear each other anyway. But please, PLEASE take the suggestion of e-mailing Ottaviani about your thoughts. There are others, both around us and in other sections, that also feel this way, at least about the endless noise. It would be nice at least if the hockey was the only unpleasant thing about the Compton.
 
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Jackson has utilized at one point or another most of the forwards on the team on the PK, including Fogarty and Larson. Lucia, Schneider and Nugent don't tend to see a lot of PK time as part of a normal unit.

Thanks. Hopefully they won't have to be put in that situation again!!!!
 
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And now our vastly over rated student section chimes in. Unfortunate for these poor students to have to be relocated for the ONE GAME they bothered to show up for. :rolleyes:

When the CFIA opened it was nice to see all those students taking advantage of the much bigger student section than the one in the Joyce. But little by little, the students have disappeared. It has been a rare occurrence when the student section has been full of actual students. Other than a couple of marquee games (think BC or UM) the students have stayed away in droves in comparison to the first few games. Is it any wonder the university decided to begin selling the tickets to the general public?

The notion that these students "will continue to support Notre Dame athletics due to our love for this University and the teams" is laughable. How many of them support Muffet McGraw's squad? How often have the student sections been full for a men's basketball game? Do any of them show up at soccer games? We've had NCAA caliber teams on both sides of the gender line many times in the last decade, yet soccer is mostly ignored by students.

The truth is, Notre Dame students are mediocre at best when it comes to supporting their athletic teams. Do they need to be reminded that even at their beloved football game (the one team on campus they DO support) against Syracuse a few years ago they threw snowballs at their own team (and fellow students)? I have displayed a vocal disapproval a time or two with my team -- most recently this weekend -- but I have never treated them to something as shoddy as that and never would. I also show up for games regardless of the opponent.

I'm happy that these students wanted to attend a hockey game and sit with their classmates. But to think they are somehow being victimized here is laughable at best. Start showing up ALL the time (or even most of the time) and then complain that they've given away "your" seat. I wonder if these four are any relation to the overprivileged student who complained that former Governor Joe Kernan did not have the proper level of prestige to speak at commencement a few years ago. Yeah, the guy was only a former mayor of South Bend, a Notre Dame grad, a former Naval officer and -- oh yeah -- a prisoner of war. Maybe if we could get a few of the Notre Dame students to rattle more of their jewelry or take the silver spoons out of their mouths and actually make a little noise I might have some sympathy then.
 
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So the Harlem Globetrotters are playing across the parking lot at the exact same time as Friday's hockey game. Nice.
 
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If you liked Alaska's clutch-and-grab style of hockey, you oughtta love this weekend's matchup with Ferris State. They play clog-and-stifle. In fact, watch the neutral zone when they do line changes. You'll likely see 8 or 9 guys in maroon sweaters clogging up the center of the ice. I hate soccer.
 
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FSU's winning % is below .500 on the road, which helps ND. While their winning % on the road (.667) is better than at home, at least it's still above .500 (.583 to be exact).
 
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I also noticed that ND has 3 Dmen in their top 8 in scoring. I hate that, too. To me that means lots of forwards aren't doing their jobs. Fortunately, 2 of FSU's top 7 are Dmen also. Watch for Kyle Bonis on special teams. He leads the Bulldogs in PPG's with 6. Robbie Russo has 4.
 
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And, no, I'm not trying to add to my post count. Apparently either my computers, my new ISP or I am possessed by annoying gremlins and I can't post anything longer than about 50 words without it kicking me out. Mr. JJfP thinks it's me.
 
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Note to Alanis Morissette, in light of some recent posts here about the CFIA "experience," this actually IS ironic.

Of note, I agree with a number of things that earned Notre Dame this high ranking. The CFIA itself is a beautiful building, inside and out. Our tickets are as priced as well as anyone's, the arena is convenient to get to and park at, and the concessions are plentiful (if expensive, but that's MY standard, compared to other fare in any sports venue, they are reasonable) and easy to get to.

But as ND1 stated perfectly, there are simply too many times the arena management has decided to pull your attention away from the ice and the hockey. Turn down the volume a little, and remember that the only reason anyone is showing up is to see the game. No one will be there because the building is pretty and they show hyper little attention starved kids on the bigscreen if they didn't actually play hockey there. I'm not holding my breath though.
 
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