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Incoming Freshmen for Fall of 2012

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Hammer said:
Yeah, but then they go from 4 each with Adrian and MSOE to 2 against each, and 2 more against both SNC and St. Scholastica.
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True, but the saving grace is that all the MCHA teams will play each other twice starting in 2013-2014. Sort of like the "misery likes company" argument. Everyone's schedule is similar.
As it is now Northland and Finlandia get to play Marian and Lawrence 8 times. Not that its a picnic schedule , but its certainly easier than playing AC and MSOE 8 times.
 
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MW49 said:
AVFC, your point is well taken. Fritz' last recruiting class of 2009 had only 3 players, out of 16, that became productive quality impact contributors over the past years. Those three were Sullivan, Bark, and Bushbacher (now at LU) all from the OJHL which at that time was a good Tier II Canadian League. The 2010 and 2011 post-Fritz classes have only produced Sharp and McAloon as quality impact players at this point. I will caution you that those two Western Canadian Junior Leagues have either some inflated stats, or the Dmen and goalies out west need more development. Junior stats are tricky reads. The NAHL presents the same challenge. IMHO, that is why coaches are getting these larger recruiting classes. Its a rater reliability issue.
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Let me put it this way. In the past, CUW recruited almost exclusively from the MnJHL and the WSHL. The class that Wise has coming in suggests that business is not as usual at CUW. The class may not be as good as I am expecting it to be, but it will make that program better. That much I am sure of.
 
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On a positive note, comparing CUW's previous recruiting classes to this class is virtually impossible. This is by far the best recruiting class CUW has brought in, and I am sure it will have immediate impacts, brining the program much more respect. The school clearly has dedication to hockey. They are brining in new players, a new coach, a CCM sponsorship, and a new rink. All huge improvements. Though these players will all be inexperienced and young, I am sure they are all going to contribute and CUW will have a 10+ win record this season hopefully. It would be nice if LFC took this approach, as they need more wins, and it seems more dedication to hockey. No one even really attends the games. Hopefully LFC brings in more players than what is listed on the site. They need to rebuild....any thoughts???

LFC:
G Austin Severson
Kenai River Brown Bears (NAHL)
5'9", 180
Seattle, Wash.
48gp, (24-18-6, 2.98, .900)

F Ian Pichel
Kanata Stallions (CCHL)
5'10", 171
Rochester Hills, Mich.
56gp, (8-18-26), 72pim

D Keil Zornow
Kenai River Brown Bears (NAHL)
6'3", 205
Bountiful, Utah
23gp, (3-0-3), 31pim
 
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MW49 said:
Points well made.
When I look at the list of CUW's recruits they have 3 players that sport 50+ pts. for last season. One is from the OJHL and the other two are from NOJHL. These leagues are examples of my former cautions. They well may be that good , but I'd be skeptical unless due diligence supports the skill.
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Just a guess here, but I'm guessing that coaches like Wise have more information available to them than just the information that you and I can look up on the internet... and their track record as coaches / recruiters seem to suggest that they have some sort of idea of what they're doing and looking for.
 
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joeyc3402 said:
Just a guess here, but I'm guessing that coaches like Wise have more information available to them than just the information that you and I can look up on the internet... and their track record as coaches / recruiters seem to suggest that they have some sort of idea of what they're doing and looking for.
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Joeyc, nice edit on my post that you quoted. In the 2nd paragraph of the original post that you took the quote from, you know the paragraph you omitted/ deleted:eek:, I stated that Wise was an excellent coach and had a handle on what the recruits' skill offerings are.

Perchance, are you a political editor for the NY Times ?:p
 
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MW49 said:
Joeyc, nice edit on my post that you quoted. In the 2nd paragraph of the original post that you took the quote from, you know the paragraph you omitted/ deleted:eek:, I stated that Wise was an excellent coach and had a handle on what the recruits' skill offerings are.

Perchance, are you a political editor for the NY Times ?:p
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...so what, pray tell, is your point? That you don't know how good the teams are until they play games and the standings go up?

I guess I'm wondering what the big deal is in your eyes with people being impressed by Concordia's recruiting class. They've got recruits from highly reputable leagues.

If you'd like, I'll go in and un-delete the part of your post that I wasn't addressing. You know -the part where you say he "probably has a handle on" those players' offerings. The part that in your post to me (quoted fully as part of my post, including the irrelevant NY times part) you've removed the "probably" from.
 
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MW49 said:
Joeyc, nice edit on my post that you quoted. In the 2nd paragraph of the original post that you took the quote from, you know the paragraph you omitted/ deleted:eek:, I stated that Wise was an excellent coach and had a handle on what the recruits' skill offerings are.

Perchance, are you a political editor for the NY Times ?:p
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So then what's your actual point? First you are skeptical of the quality of players from certain junior leagues but then not skeptical because you assume Wise would have a good grasp on the talents of those players. Which means you've stated nothing as it pertains to Concordia. Unless your point is that coaches need to research who they are recruiting? If so, that's a pretty daring stance.
 
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HockeyRocks....

I think you are disgruntled member of the now defunct LFC JV Team but at any rate to answer your questions.....

LFC has now fallen behind Concordia and won't make the play-offs next season!

They will face an even more uphill battle with the Knights and Saints joining, those 3 recruits you posted are embarrassing compared to their counterparts. Asking to go in the direction of Concordia....that will never happen, they have hockey just to have it...not to succeed at the highest level, nothing you shouldn't already know as you obvisously know a lot about the program or claim to, hockey doesn't matter there and never will!
 
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joeyc3402 said:
...so what, pray tell, is your point? That you don't know how good the teams are until they play games and the standings go up?

I guess I'm wondering what the big deal is in your eyes with people being impressed by Concordia's recruiting class. They've got recruits from highly reputable leagues.

If you'd like, I'll go in and un-delete the part of your post that I wasn't addressing. You know -the part where you say he "probably has a handle on" those players' offerings. The part that in your post to me (quoted fully as part of my post, including the irrelevant NY times part) you've removed the "probably" from.
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joeyc, the point is that when you add several recruits to a team, in this case 16, those junior league stats are not the sole or most reliable measure of future success. I said to be cautious of doing so. Coaches that do their due diligence in researching their skill set know were these players fit into the dynamic of the team. To the casual observer stats can be misleading.

In a post dated 7/15/12 @ 11:05am, I stated that I could see CUW as the 5th best team in the MCHA. Seeing that they finished dead last in 8th for the 2011-2012 season I must be somewhat impressed with this recruiting class. I'm wondering if in your eyes should I have ranked them higher , and for what reason are you so bothered by it?

BTW, the word "probably" means, insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected per Webster's International Dictionary. Therefore, my comment then and later still defines Wise has having a handle on those players offerings and not just taking whatever. That is a far cry from someone that just cuts off half a quote, and then criticizes a person for not recognizing the coach's abilities when the recognition was given in my unedited version.

Sorry, but the NY Times part was not irrelevant. We can disagree on this also.
 
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Raidineer said:
So then what's your actual point? First you are skeptical of the quality of players from certain junior leagues but then not skeptical because you assume Wise would have a good grasp on the talents of those players YES. Which means you've stated nothing as it pertains to ConcordiaYOU'RE WRONG. Unless your point is that coaches need to research who they are recruiting?WELL DON'T THEY If so, that's a pretty daring stance.NOT IF YOU READ BELOW
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Perhaps, you didn't realize that not all the players on these recruitment lists at the D3 level are recruited. That would be an assumption made by some readers. In fact, the Junior club teams or leagues list them on their sites as going there, but in many cases they are walk-ons that the coach is unaware of. These lists don't come off the desk of the coaches. If they did they'd be more comprehensive. Many of these players on the recruit lists won't be on the final roster, and names that you never seen will be.
 
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MW49 said:
joeyc, the point is that when you add several recruits to a team, in this case 16, those junior league stats are not the sole or most reliable measure of future success. I said to be cautious of doing so. Coaches that do their due diligence in researching their skill set know were these players fit into the dynamic of the team. To the casual observer stats can be misleading.

In a post dated 7/15/12 @ 11:05am, I stated that I could see CUW as the 5th best team in the MCHA. Seeing that they finished dead last in 8th for the 2011-2012 season I must be somewhat impressed with this recruiting class. I'm wondering if in your eyes should I have ranked them higher , and for what reason are you so bothered by it?

BTW, the word "probably" means, insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected per Webster's International Dictionary. Therefore, my comment then and later still defines Wise has having a handle on those players offerings and not just taking whatever. That is a far cry from someone that just cuts off half a quote, and then criticizes a person for not recognizing the coach's abilities when the recognition was given in my unedited version.

Sorry, but the NY Times part was not irrelevant. We can disagree on this also.
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I guess I was confused as to why you'd sit there and point out something so obvious (that numbers can be misleading), and then hedge that statement by stating that the coach probably knows what he's doing. I was merely expressing this confusion, admittedly in a scornful way.

I think you're in the right neighborhood as far as where they'll finish, FWIW.
 
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joeyc3402 said:
I guess I was confused as to why you'd sit there and point out something so obvious (that numbers can be misleading), and then hedge that statement by stating that the coach probably knows what he's doing. I was merely expressing this confusion, admittedly in a scornful way.

I think you're in the right neighborhood as far as where they'll finish, FWIW.
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joeyc, no problem here. I've been somewhat cloudy lately working, vacationing, and then working again in 95+ degree heat for the past 3 1/2 weeks.
 
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I just think Wise has brought in so many players not because he expects some of them won't work out, but rather because Concordia needs so many players.

Kinda like Coghlin's first few recruiting classes at SNC (like '93-'96.) Tons of new guys, and they were all better than the players at SNC before Coghlin arrived.
 
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MW49 said:
Perhaps, you didn't realize that not all the players on these recruitment lists at the D3 level are recruited. That would be an assumption made by some readers. In fact, the Junior club teams or leagues list them on their sites as going there, but in many cases they are walk-ons that the coach is unaware of. These lists don't come off the desk of the coaches. If they did they'd be more comprehensive. Many of these players on the recruit lists won't be on the final roster, and names that you never seen will be.
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If you really think any team worth its salt has anything resembling legitimate tryouts that are littered with walk-ons, I suspect you've spent too much time around a place like Lake Forest lately. For the top half of the teams in the nation, at a minimum, guys don't end up on the team unless they are specifically recruited by the coach. One might find a handful of exceptions to that, but to think otherwise suggests you're either about 20 years behind the times or only familiar with teams that have been and remain terrible.
 
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Raidineer said:
If you really think any team worth its salt has anything resembling legitimate tryouts that are littered with walk-ons, I suspect you've spent too much time around a place like Lake Forest lately. For the top half of the teams in the nation, at a minimum, guys don't end up on the team unless they are specifically recruited by the coach. One might find a handful of exceptions to that, but to think otherwise suggests you're either about 20 years behind the times or only familiar with teams that have been and remain terrible.
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I now understand why the Forbes Magazine (Aug. 2011) article, on the Academic Rankings of American Universities, ranked MSOE #578 in the nation. Who mentioned tryouts??? Who mentioned that walk-ons even get a sniff of the ice???? With reading comprehension like this its no wonder your comments or suggestions are worthless at best.

What was said is that these recruit lists are comprised of names that end up on junior teams' websites, junior league websites, or submitted by somebody other than the coach. Some, if not most, coaches don't give out names of recruits until school starts, or until the October 15th start of the season. That is why I stated some names on these pre-season lists don't end up on the roster and other names of unannounced players do.

BTW, I'm not affiliated with LFC. However, why do you slam Lake Forest and denigrate them as you have in the past? (Like you did months ago on the 'MCHA Thread') Isn't that the'terrible team' that knocked you out of the Harris Cup in 2010, and pushed your Raiders to the brink in overtime of game 3 of the 2012 Harris Cup playins? Both times on your own ice! You should have more respect for those Foresters.
 
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MW49, you seem to be very familiar with the MCHA and have a lot of knowledge of the teams. I am an LFC fan, and was wondering if anyone knows why they are doing so poorly lately. Also, if anyone knows why people mentioned in the sprong they were going to the ACHA, and that idea suddenly disappeared . What has happened to the LFC team the was once a powerhouse in the 90's, and to the program? They fixed up the rink, but still need a new one, have a new locker room, a good school, and also a new good coach. Why aren't things working out at LFC? They seem to be falling behind with the rest.
 
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Rocks.....
For real, can you talk about another program?

What do you want to know? You are never going to be successful in hockey if you're hockey team is treating the same as your women's tennis team, period.

Anyway, let's talk about something else like Adrian and the new rivalry of them and Norberts, also this is an incoming class thread not LFC and what is wrong.
 
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