Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

People, having a baby in the US does nothing to change your legal status. If you're waiting to be deported as an illegal immigrant, having a US citizen as a offspring doesn't stop you from getting shipped out.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

People, having a baby in the US does nothing to change your legal status. If you're waiting to be deported as an illegal immigrant, having a US citizen as a offspring doesn't stop you from getting shipped out.

But long term having a child as a U.S. citizen makes it easier to get into the U.S. Hence the term "anchor".

 

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

But long term having a child as a U.S. citizen makes it easier to get into the U.S. Hence the term "anchor".

How so? The child can't sponsor you, at least not until an adult. In which case you'd still have to go to the back of the line, not get credit for the time you were already here.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

How so? The child can't sponsor you, at least not until an adult. In which case you'd still have to go to the back of the line, not get credit for the time you were already here.

It's actually true that having a citizen child makes it more likely parents are permitted to stay, in order not to break up the family. This was a very popular strategy used by Irish and Italian immigrant families back before, you know, the immigrants were A Clear and Present Danger to Our Nation.*

(* Except they were.)

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

How so? The child can't sponsor you, at least not until an adult. In which case you'd still have to go to the back of the line, not get credit for the time you were already here.

I believe having family connections is a factor in who gets in or not.

 

[Rover]

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It's actually true that having a citizen child makes it more likely parents are permitted to stay, in order not to break up the family. This was a very popular strategy used by Irish and Italian immigrant families back before, you know, the immigrants were A Clear and Present Danger to Our Nation.*

(* Except they were.)

I'm not sure that it is Kep. Think of why illegals get deported? For committing a crime or getting caught up in a raid. Commit a crime, male or female, one kid or 20 and you're gone. With raids, they don't let you out the back door if they have you detained and find out you have kids. I know of nothing in the law that gives illegals with US born children a more favorable status. I'd be happy to revise that if someone posts a relevant law.

I believe having family connections is a factor in who gets in or not.

It is if somebody's sponsoring you. Minors can't do that.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

It is if somebody's sponsoring you. Minors can't do that.

Yes Mr. Sudden Expert on Immigration Law

 

[Kepler]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

I'm not sure that it is Kep. Think of why illegals get deported? For committing a crime or getting caught up in a raid. Commit a crime, male or female, one kid or 20 and you're gone. With raids, they don't let you out the back door if they have you detained and find out you have kids. I know of nothing in the law that gives illegals with US born children a more favorable status.

The wife worked for the INS for a while so I actually know this. In practice, unless there's something very radical going on (like a warrant), deportations go through adjudication during which factors such as citizen dependents are presented. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and single with no kids and El Migra nails you, you are going back to the Homeland. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and you have a wife and 3 young children, 2 of them US born, and El Migra nails you, you are staying unless the judge you draw is a complete a-hole.

 

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

The wife worked for the INS for a while so I actually know this. In practice, unless there's something very radical going on (like a warrant), deportations go through adjudication during which factors such as citizen dependents are presented. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 18 and El Migra nails you, you are going back to the Homeland. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and you have a wife and 3 young children, 2 of them US born, and El Migra nails you, you are staying unless the judge you draw is a complete a-hole.

Kep I've got a source like that too. What I'm saying is that there's no legal basis for an illegal to stay because they've had a US born child, so the whole anchor baby concept doesn't exist. It does not give you any special status. If some one chooses to cut you a break (particularly at the point of contact with law enforcement - also have a relative who was in that field) they have some discretion, but at the same time maybe you get somebody who doesn't care and you're out as you've indicated. My feeling is that a lot of people in the US think that having a baby here either automatically allows at least the mother to stay, or gives the illegal parent some sort of enhanced status by law. It doesn't to the best of my knowledge. I would be curious of the posters who sited the "anchor baby" concept of how they thought having a child in the US affected the parents' legal status. We'd probably get a lot of different views on what exactly that does as there's a lot of misinformation out there.


Bob, try to add something to the conversation for once, will ya?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Actually, both of you seem to be fairly substantive and congenial with each other today.

I know, mind my own bees wax, I know...

 

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Actually, both of you seem to be fairly substantive and congenial with each other today.

I know, mind my own bees wax, I know...

If I had to speculate I'm thinking Bob is furiously scouring right wing media sources and immigration law to see if what we're saying is correct.

 

[Bob Gray]

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If I had to speculate I'm thinking Bob is furiously scouring right wing media sources and immigration law to see if what we're saying is correct.

Don't need to do that, as Kepler is helping verify what I said. But, your bluster is in fine form.

 

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Don't need to do that, as Kepler is helping verify what I said. But, your bluster is in fine form.

Didn't expect you to man up and admit you had this one wrong Bob, but I'm guessing the proof will be in how little you mention the term "anchor babies" from now on as you know you'll get ripped to shreds.

Now, while I am much closer to the Adonis status that another poster metioned, even I will admit I thought up until a year ago that having a child in the US changed the mother's legal status - either giving her added legal protection or moving her up in the line for citizenship. To my great surprise (and admittedly this isn't a big issue for me) that's not the case at all.

Guess Lou Dobbs was BS'ing everyone. Who'd a thunk?

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Yes, the possibility of you ripping me to shreds is an ever-present terror I must wrestle to overcome whenever I come on this message board!

 

[Rover]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Yes, the possibility of you ripping me to shreds is an ever-present terror I must wrestle to overcome whenever I come on this message board!

That would be true if you could remember what happened in the previous hour on any given day, but at your age those periods of lucidity are few and far between.

 

[Bob Gray]

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That would be true if you could remember what happened in the previous hour on any given day, but at your age those periods of lucidity are few and far between.

Well, I guess if that's the case, I'm fortunate, or I'd never dare to tread the paths of this message board. Or not.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Time to stop feeding the troll, Bob...

 

[Handyman]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

The wife worked for the INS for a while so I actually know this. In practice, unless there's something very radical going on (like a warrant), deportations go through adjudication during which factors such as citizen dependents are presented. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and single with no kids and El Migra nails you, you are going back to the Homeland. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and you have a wife and 3 young children, 2 of them US born, and El Migra nails you, you are staying unless the judge you draw is a complete a-hole.

The only gripe I have is it is LA Migra, not EL Migra. Migra is in the feminine form and El is a masculine term. The term for immigration has and will be "La Migra".

If you dont believe me, walk into the back of a restaurant and yell "La Migra" really loud and see what happens

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

The wife worked for the INS for a while so I actually know this. In practice, unless there's something very radical going on (like a warrant), deportations go through adjudication during which factors such as citizen dependents are presented. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and single with no kids and El Migra nails you, you are going back to the Homeland. If you're illegal and you have a full time job and no record and you're 28 and you have a wife and 3 young children, 2 of them US born, and El Migra nails you, you are staying unless the judge you draw is a complete a-hole.

Exactly. Sort of how the mother and father technically have exactly equal standing before the law for custody of the kids, but in a divorce, the kids usually seem to end up with the mother.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

What ever happened to Lou Dobbs? He would have been perfectly positioned for the vanguard of the nativist portion of the Tea Party and he would have brought some welcome intelligence to a group notably bereft of, even hostile to, it. IIRC there was talk of him running for governor of VA or something, which would have been as absurd as Al Franken running for the Senate.