How about Hobey Baker bias, will ECAC ,Hockey East ever win

[Slap Shot]

This year the Hobey was unlike any other because johnny's chances were shot after a early and convincing exit from the tournament, Hartzell is a goalie, and LeBlanc didnt have much in the way of goals. When I first heard LeBlanc was a student teacher i thought he was the frontrunner but I think because its a requirement for his degree that shouldnt be valued too high. Look in my eyes Hartzell was the most valuable to his team over these guys. Quinnipiac had little offense all season and made the national championship, shows how great there goalie was. Its a shame especially when LeBlanc dissapeared on Thursday night and Hartzell was a wall even though the voting had already taken place. Id also be interested to hear what the awards board members or what ever they are said to Hartzell immediately after the ceremony because they shook his hand and said somethig to him before they shook LeBlanc's

It's not an MVP nor playoffs award, and everything else in your post is incomprehensible.

 

[BigAl]

It's not an MVP nor playoffs award, and everything else in your post is incomprehensible.

You forgot to sign your comment as LeBlanc's dad

 

[DaveStPaul]

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Actually, the wcha won the hobey, something the east seems to not have enough quality players to win very often. Ala, the best player also plays in the best conference.

Happy, I've seen some amazing hockey living here in MN, so I'm not taking anything away from the quality out here. But if the Hobey had been founded in Boston by the Beantown Athletic Boosters, we're talking a whooooole different list of winners.

 

[DaveStPaul]

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Almost forgot! They'd have modeled the trophy after Mike Eruzione. Sure, it's called the "Hobey Baker" award -- but make the statue look like your local guy!

 

[snively]

Maybe because he realized the game was over and he can't change the past. He also probably realized he should be happy that he won the highest individual honor in college hockey, and not mope to impress doorknobs like you by being "crestfallen".

Fair enough. Trust me, I wasn't looking for him to impress me -- it just to be him this particular time..

I just think it's odd that so much media is devoted to this award during the only week in which an individual award DOESN'T matter. It's that juxtaposition I find odd. Why not award it a week or so later and keep the focus where it really belongs?

 

[duper]

Re: How about Hobey Baker bias, will ECAC ,Hockey East ever win

Fair enough. Trust me, I wasn't looking for him to impress me -- it just to be him this particular time..

I just think it's odd that so much media is devoted to this award during the only week in which an individual award DOESN'T matter. It's that juxtaposition I find odd. Why not award it a week or so later and keep the focus where it really belongs?

Well, do you want anyone to know about the award? If so, then you probably better hand it out during the only weekend out of the year when more than the 100 of us here on uscho even realize they play hockey in college.

 

[SCSU Euro]

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You forgot to sign your comment as LeBlanc's dad

He's right. Its not the equivalency of the hockey Heisman, off-ice has a TON to do with it and LeBlanc's intangibles helped. And just like defensive players don't win the Heismann, goalies don't win the Hobey.

Fair enough. Trust me, I wasn't looking for him to impress me -- it just to be him this particular time..

I just think it's odd that so much media is devoted to this award during the only week in which an individual award DOESN'T matter. It's that juxtaposition I find odd. Why not award it a week or so later and keep the focus where it really belongs?

They have a free Friday night. Plus its nice to try to get the guys actually there and not joining via Skype from their hotel room as they're on the road playing professional hockey.

 

[Slap Shot]

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You forgot to sign your comment as LeBlanc's dad

You forgot to sign yours as my bitch.

 

[The Rube]

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It's not an MVP nor playoffs award, and everything else in your post is incomprehensible.

.

 

[PhatKroger10]

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I have no strong feeling about who I believe should have won it, and personally I believe they should give it to the best player, regardless of off ice conduct.

However, I think Hartzell was handicapped due to the perception that the ECAC is a mid-major type conference. The voters could attribute his high stats due to "a lack of competition". Also, the Ryan Miller standard in "an elite conference" makes being a goaltender difficult.

I am entirely speculating, but is it possible that Johnny Gaudreau rubbed some people the wrong way by switching his committment? I think the sophomore card hurts him, and not being able to factor his World Juniors play in hurts. He should still find one on his mantle after next year.

I feel like this year it was awarded more so as a team award due to the lack of a statistical monster. I think the voters ultimately said, "Wow, St. Cloud State topped teams like Minnesota, North Dakota, and Denver? Who's their statistical leader and how does he compare nationally? Eh, good enough."

 

[hockeyenthusiast]

Re: How about Hobey Baker bias, will ECAC ,Hockey East ever win

This year the Hobey was unlike any other because johnny's chances were shot after a early and convincing exit from the tournament, Hartzell is a goalie, and LeBlanc didnt have much in the way of goals. When I first heard LeBlanc was a student teacher i thought he was the frontrunner but I think because its a requirement for his degree that shouldnt be valued too high. Look in my eyes Hartzell was the most valuable to his team over these guys. Quinnipiac had little offense all season and made the national championship, shows how great there goalie was. Its a shame especially when LeBlanc dissapeared on Thursday night and Hartzell was a wall even though the voting had already taken place. Id also be interested to hear what the awards board members or what ever they are said to Hartzell immediately after the ceremony because they shook his hand and said somethig to him before they shook LeBlanc's

Only Thursday? You're too kind. He disappeared throughout the postseason.

 

[goldy_331]

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I have no strong feeling about who I believe should have won it, and personally I believe they should give it to the best player, regardless of off ice conduct.

Of course you do, you're a Whioux fan. Unfortunately for the Whioux, it's not an MVP award or a "Best Player" award. It's something different, something more. It honors its namesake who was more than a great hockey player, but an exemplary individual as well.

 

[treerat]

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Why are WCHA fans so insecure? They always seem the need to "prove" how good they are over us east coast rubes.

As to the Hobey this year, LeBlah did it for 4 years, Hartzell only one. New Jersey's Gaudreau will be back in the running next year.

Also next year, keep an eye on Peca.

 

[William Blake]

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Rather than complaining about the Hobey going to a particular conference over another, you should be complaining that goalies aren't allowed to win it anymore. This year there were no forwards who lit the world on fire and no defensemen who put up crazy numbers, yet there were at least 3 goalies with great numbers who got snubbed in favor of the guy who put up the 9th highest ppg in the league. I can't think of an argument where Leblanc was the best at his position (or best in his conference) let alone the best in college hockey. Or maybe it's more of a "he's a nice guy and isn't bad at hockey" award.

 

[PhatKroger10]

Of course you do, you're a Whioux fan. Unfortunately for the Whioux, it's not an MVP award or a "Best Player" award. It's something different, something more. It honors its namesake who was more than a great hockey player, but an exemplary individual as well.

That is a fair and valid point. But why is it that hockey is the only sport that requires character be considered for their highest heralded award (otherwise Tebow would have won 3)? Is there potential need for a Hart and Byng type award situation?

 

[goldy_331]

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That is a fair and valid point. But why is it that hockey is the only sport that requires character be considered for their highest heralded award (otherwise Tebow would have won 3)? Is there potential need for a Hart and Byng type award situation?

Every award is started by someone. The Decathlon Club started the Hobey Baker Award and decided that it should be different than other awards and award character as well as ability. If you want to start a different award, go for it. Set up your own committee, find sponsors, name it after Ralph, do whatever you want. I don't see the need for any other award. We have All Americans, various league awards and the Hobey. I think it's plenty for what is a niche sport in college hockey.

 

[SCSU Euro]

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You forgot to sign yours as my bitch.

O... M... G.... Must spread rep

This year there were no forwards who lit the world on fire and no defensemen who put up crazy numbers, yet there were at least 3 goalies with great numbers who got snubbed in favor of the guy who put up the 9th highest ppg in the league.

Yet he was voted League POTY and Student Athlete of the Year. Weird...

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: How about Hobey Baker bias, will ECAC ,Hockey East ever win

Of course you do, you're a Whioux fan. Unfortunately for the Whioux, it's not an MVP award or a "Best Player" award. It's something different, something more. It honors its namesake who was more than a great hockey player, but an exemplary individual as well.

Um, this is a west vs east thread aka a western superiority thread.

Like them or not, the whioux are your team mates (in this).

Try to be a team player, k?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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But we all know the real reason is that the WCHA is the best league in college hockey. And only the best players from that league are going to win.

The "best league in college hockey" just saw its top three teams lose to the EZAC by a combined score of 11-4.

Oh, and another WCHA team, Wisconsin, was murdered by UMass-Lowell (of the Hockey East). What, exactly, do you have to support your contention that the WCHA is a better conference?

Never lose your sense of humor.

You honestly couldn't tell that Biddy's post was a joke?

 

[The Rube]

Re: How about Hobey Baker bias, will ECAC ,Hockey East ever win

Never lose your sense of humor.

You honestly couldn't tell that Biddy's post was a joke?

Here's my support: Half the WCHA made the tourney. Top to bottom, the WCHA is the best conference. Overall. As a whole.


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