Hockey support in Georgia

[5mn_Major]

Re: Hockey support in Georgia

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the fact the Wisconsin recruits heavily in Minnesota and yet anyone want to take bets on the odds the Badgers ever go to Mankato or Bemidji again. The rumor is Wisconsin told UMD that "we want to play you still but it needs to be a 2 for 1 deal"...UMD told them to take a flying leap. I'm guessing Wisconsin told St.Cloud the same thing. As a Bulldog fan I'm going to miss the road trip to Madison but I hope that they don't cave into any 2 for 1 B.S.

Pretty stupid from Wisconsin if true. They should be continuing to immerse the state or they risk losing the recruiting mojo to MI, MSU, OSU, etc. Of course they'll still be behind other Minnesota schools when competing here.

The other issue is that, from what I know, WI doesn't try anywhere outside of the cities. Just outstate MN has more solid players than just about any other entire state.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Hockey support in Georgia

Pretty stupid from Wisconsin if true. They should be continuing to immerse the state or they risk losing the recruiting mojo to MI, MSU, OSU, etc. Of course they'll still be behind other Minnesota schools when competing here.

The other issue is that, from what I know, WI doesn't try anywhere outside of the cities. Just outstate MN has more solid players than just about any other entire state.

Doesn't surprise me though, especially if they just concentrate on the Cities. They probably think offering to go these schools once is doing them a favor. Part of me is surprised we got them 1 for 1. I wonder how much groveling Eaves had to do at Alzarez's altar to make that happen.

 

[Patman]

Exactly what I'm talking about. They lean on Minnesota heavily in their recruiting, but won't help the smaller D1 programs (that they used to share a conference with no less) so that kids in the region continue to have as many opportunities to play at the next level.

The irony is that UW folded their own program for 30 years.

We ALL do. Just because Minny can take every top player in its own state doesn't make other states morally inferior. That being said, local kids are easier to get because of local emotional attachment but they will go where the schollie is available

 

[fangers]

Here are a few that I can think of real quick:

Chris Lochner (Niagara) - Alpharetta, GA
Neil Ruffini (UAH) - Roswell, GA
Dave Caruso (Ohio St) - Roswell, GA
Doug Jones (Dartmouth) - Marietta, GA
Brad Miller (NoDak) - Alpharetta, GA
Jon Horrell (BGSU) - Acworth, GA

Craig Pierce and Kyle Lysaght, current UAH players from Atlanta area too

 

[duper]

Re: Hockey support in Georgia

We ALL do. Just because Minny can take every top player in its own state doesn't make other states morally inferior. That being said, local kids are easier to get because of local emotional attachment but they will go where the schollie is available

I always love the inane implication that by recruiting Minnesota players, non-Minnesota schools are somehow poaching or doing something unethical. It's completely ridiculous. As good as the U of Minnesota has been as a program, I'll bet that one of the biggest reasons why several other schools have more national championships than they do is their silly tradition of avoiding out of state recruits.

 

[Greyeagle]

Re: Hockey support in Georgia

I'll bet that one of the biggest reasons why several other schools have more national championships than they do is their silly tradition of avoiding out of state recruits.

That thinking has (for the most part) gone away.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Here are a few that I can think of real quick:

Chris Lochner (Niagara) - Alpharetta, GA
Neil Ruffini (UAH) - Roswell, GA
Dave Caruso (Ohio St) - Roswell, GA
Doug Jones (Dartmouth) - Marietta, GA
Brad Miller (NoDak) - Alpharetta, GA
Jon Horrell (BGSU) - Acworth, GA

Chris Maye (RPI '96) Atlanta

 

[Patman]

I always love the inane implication that by recruiting Minnesota players, non-Minnesota schools are somehow poaching or doing something unethical. It's completely ridiculous. As good as the U of Minnesota has been as a program, I'll bet that one of the biggest reasons why several other schools have more national championships than they do is their silly tradition of avoiding out of state recruits.

I'd love to have the same level of intrastate identifiability that Minnesota. I'd love to have all the best players in our state. But that doesn't make us any less worthy. Maybe he is assuming all others are pure mercenaries and that might be true... But at that point it's really just straight tribalist (nationalist) rhetoric

 

[JDUBBS1280]

We ALL do. Just because Minny can take every top player in its own state doesn't make other states morally inferior. That being said, local kids are easier to get because of local emotional attachment but they will go where the schollie is available

I'm just saying, they should give back by supporting the small programs. Would it hurt UW to visit Mankato or Bemidji every so often? I don't think that's too much to ask.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I always love the inane implication that by recruiting Minnesota players, non-Minnesota schools are somehow poaching or doing something unethical. It's completely ridiculous. As good as the U of Minnesota has been as a program, I'll bet that one of the biggest reasons why several other schools have more national championships than they do is their silly tradition of avoiding out of state recruits.

Not saying that at all. But if you are going to lean on Minnesota heavily in your recruiting, I don't think it is too much to ask (and actually in your program's best interest) to support the small MN D1 programs by visiting and playing them every so often. That's all I'm saying, and I don't think it's too much to ask. Minnesota and North Dakota are going to keep playing the Mankato's and Bemidji's. Wisconsin should too.

 

[4four4]

I always love the inane implication that by recruiting Minnesota players, non-Minnesota schools are somehow poaching or doing something unethical. It's completely ridiculous. As good as the U of Minnesota has been as a program, I'll bet that one of the biggest reasons why several other schools have more national championships than they do is their silly tradition of avoiding out of state recruits.

Correct. In the eyes of many Minnesotans the Gophers did it the "right" way by building within the state first than winning national championships.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Correct. In the eyes of many Minnesotans the Gophers did it the "right" way by building within the state first than winning national championships.

I agree. Early pain got them the recruiting advantages they enjoy today.

 

[Pink Pony]

Here are a few that I can think of real quick:

Chris Lochner (Niagara) - Alpharetta, GA
Neil Ruffini (UAH) - Roswell, GA
Dave Caruso (Ohio St) - Roswell, GA
Doug Jones (Dartmouth) - Marietta, GA
Brad Miller (NoDak) - Alpharetta, GA
Jon Horrell (BGSU) - Acworth, GA

Not a bad liist of player,

 

[Slap Shot]

I'd love to have the same level of intrastate identifiability that Minnesota. I'd love to have all the best players in our state. But that doesn't make us any less worthy. Maybe he is assuming all others are pure mercenaries and that might be true... But at that point it's really just straight tribalist (nationalist) rhetoric

Most of us aren't that insufferably provincial and short-sighted.

 

[bigmrg74]

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I'm just saying, they should give back by supporting the small programs. Would it hurt UW to visit Mankato or Bemidji every so often? I don't think that's too much to ask.

Oh on the other side of the Lakes, Michigan and Sparty going to Ferris, WMU, LSSU, NMU, and Tech. Very doubtful those two would ever go north of the bridge, and it would take some wheeling and dealing for em to hook up with Ferris and Western on the west side of the state, say like some sort of tournament at Van Andel.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Most of us aren't that insufferably provincial and short-sighted.

Has nothing to do with being provincial. I know plenty of people who are far less provincial than I am that can agree that it's wrong that Wisconsin is all but abandoning it's smaller former college mates.

And as for the other discussion, you don't have to be provincial to recognize that Minnesota's early recruiting practices and struggles have given it the recruiting advantages it enjoys today. That's just plan old factual.

You try so hard to be anti-provincial man that sometimes you get in your own way. This is not a Minnesota versus the world discussion. It would be flat out better for college hockey if Wisconsin would continue to play the smaller schools in the former WCHA every so often.

I can't express how tired and predictable your criticism has gotten. You and I will never see eye-to-eye on what pride in program and state means, so I'm not sure why you keep beating that dead horse. I'm not going to change my views, and you likely aren't going to either.

Although in this discussion, all that really is irrelevant.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Oh on the other side of the Lakes, Michigan and Sparty going to Ferris, WMU, LSSU, NMU, and Tech. Very doubtful those two would ever go north of the bridge, and it would take some wheeling and dealing for em to hook up with Ferris and Western on the west side of the state, say like some sort of tournament at Van Andel.

That's just too bad if true. I think it's in the best interest long-term for schools like Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin to support the smaller schools they used to share a conference with. It would keep college hockey strong.

 

[Split-N]

Re: Hockey support in Georgia

Here are a few that I can think of real quick:

Chris Lochner (Niagara) - Alpharetta, GA
Neil Ruffini (UAH) - Roswell, GA
Dave Caruso (Ohio St) - Roswell, GA
Doug Jones (Dartmouth) - Marietta, GA
Brad Miller (NoDak) - Alpharetta, GA
Jon Horrell (BGSU) - Acworth, GA

Getting this thread back on track, let's not forget Victor Saponari (BU) and Vinny Saponari (BU & Northeastern) from Powder Springs, GA. Both won a national championship at BU (2009).

 

[Pink Pony]

Getting this thread back on track, let's not forget Victor Saponari (BU) and Vinny Saponari (BU & Northeastern) from Powder Springs, GA. Both won a national championship at BU (2009).

10' players from Georgia so far.

 

[streaker]

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Oh on the other side of the Lakes, Michigan and Sparty going to Ferris, WMU, LSSU, NMU, and Tech. Very doubtful those two would ever go north of the bridge, and it would take some wheeling and dealing for em to hook up with Ferris and Western on the west side of the state, say like some sort of tournament at Van Andel.

Western chose to go to the Big Pants league with Miami. I don't share much sympathy for them and as of late they don't need any. As far as the others- those schools (at least the fans) didn't have any use for Michigan or MSU since they were 'catered to' by the CCHA. Why do they all of a sudden care now that they are not mandated to visit by league play? Why are those programs 'obligated' to look after those programs? This isn't the United Way. It's business. If they want teams to come into their rink, they'll have to relax their stance on 2 for 1's. Not saying it's right, just saying that these programs don't have much leverage.