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Hockey East - The Off Season

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You casually call the man a "cheater" on these boards. I doubt that you or anyone else here would have the cajones to do it to his face.

Do you actually know what he and Albie did that might have caused the sanctions that were imposed on them? The answer is NO, you don't. You know what was in the media or exaggerated in blogs. Great sources at times, but not this time! The University has not made the details public, although a few of us who are close to the coachs know the real story.

While I believe it would be inappropriate to share the details with you, I can say unequivocally that the alleged texting violations had absolutely nothing to do with competitve recruiting and that texts were not made to any athlete that another school was recruiting. The violations would have been of a technical nature and are nothing that deserve to call acts of cheating.

Perhaps it would be an act of strong character on your part to refrain from accusing someone before you have all the facts and before you have learned what it is that he may have done.

Wouldn't say it to his face? This is a message board you know, it's not designed to be a forum to speak directly with the coaches or players.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that a school would pre-emptively suspend their head coach and top assistant in the stretch run of the season because of some minute violation that was more of a technicality. The NCAA calls these types of these "minor violations" and they tend to amount to incredibly dumb things like overpaying meal money for a player by an insignificant amount, or arranging for an injured player who stayed after the team bus left for treatment to receive a ride from the arena back to the hotel while on the road with a team employee instead of getting one on his own. The penalties amount to repaying the sum of money to someone, usually very insignificant amounts, and the coaching staff pledges to attend some hour of NCAA rule re-education session or something dumb. Basically, it's all a load of BS, and most definitely does not warrant a pre-emptive suspension.

Suspensions are for major NCAA violations, which include excessive contact and things of that nature. I'm not sure how you can say the violations had nothing to do with competitive recruiting (that's a little redundant in this context) when NU's own press release on the suspension said this: "The possible violations relate to telephone and text message legislation and were revealed during the course of routine internal compliance monitoring." So clearly, it had to do with phone calls and text messages, which are only a violation in two ways, a player using athletic department phones for excessive personal use, which 99.9% of the time is not a major violation, or the coaching staff made excessive contact with recruits, which is frequently a major violation.

Sure, the press release says possible violations, but the only way they suspend him pre-emptively is if they already know they're violations. The NCAA is the body that definitively determines that they are violations, not the school.

You say the "violations would have been..." which is kind of confusing, but I think implies that there were no violations. The school would not dole out a lengthy pre-emptive suspension if there were no violations.

You make it seem like nothing happened and they just broke a series of rules in technicality only, and not in the spirit of the rule, meaning they didn't really break the rule. I too know someone who works directly in the AD there, specifically within the hockey program, and while he was 100% tight-lipped on what happened, it was made very clear from my conversations with him that something definitely happened, and it was not an irrelevant minor violation.

The only other semi-plausible explanation for this whole scenario would be if he really didn't do anything, and NU was just out to get him for some reason. This scenario makes little sense though because if they went this far to "get him" they likely would have fired him already in the offseason, and reinstating him just before the playoffs wouldn't be consistent with the "out to get him" mentality.
 
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You casually call the man a "cheater" on these boards. I doubt that you or anyone else here would have the cajones to do it to his face.
So what you saying is cheeting eez actualy one of he betteur qualitys, compared to being a violent lunatic I meaning, eh?

A cheeting vilent sycopathe, dat sound like juste de guy you wants leeding young mens et represent you universitie.
 
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Sure, but "post season flops" has to include some rather pedestrian efforts in the HE tourney too. I still have to think that a bad/mediocre effort in the HE tourney followed by a Rd 1 win followed by a Rd 2 collapse is still going to net out to be a bad postseason performance IMO (2010).

So really, 2011 was clearly not a flop. 2009 was certainly not a flop either but not great. But 2010 and 2008... not pretty. And no FFs or even a trip to the HE finals in any of those years. 2 years out of the last 4 UNH didn't even make it to the Garden (with home ice). But maybe 2 of the last 3 being not that bad of a flop is an upward trend? One can hope!

Interestingly enough, the better UNH teams had the far worse falls back in the early 2000s. 2002 comes to mind more than 2003, since half the 2003 goofers are now staple players for their respective NHL clubs. Alas I digress. Looking at this years class, UNH had the one bad game against RIT, but managed to push BU ( who eventually won the title) and ND to close, hard faught 2-1 games. Notre dame in 2008 beat everyone except BC, so they weren’t too bad either, although UNH shouldn’t have let up as many goals as they did.

In closing, I don’t believe anyone is arguing UNH is a playoff powerhouse. You’d be stretching if you said otherwise. However, to say they are as much of a colossal failure as they were in the past would also be a lie too. They haven’t blown games by nearly as wide of margins, and were nearly FF contenders in a year they maybe shouldn’t have even made the playoffs. (2009). I hate to play “what if”, but maybe a few of these games wouldn’t have been so bad if they got even a few of the blue chip players they had gotten earlier commitments from? Smith leaves early, JVR leaves early, White never shows up, Yandle was a failure, Reid goes to SCSU…. Heck, could Esposito, trotter, or kolomatis made a difference? Probably. Despite this, the UNH system has show resilience in the regular season and kept games closer in the post season.

Its all how you look at it. If you are pessimistic enough, you can paint any program, or any person a failure.
 
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Gawd, this is horrendously slow even for the offseason.

How about a poll...

Next seasons most improved team ........ Vermont : Talented incoming class compliments a now vetern offense

Next seasons biggest fall .......... Merrimack : with huge losses including da costa MC takes a significant step back

Next seasons biggest surprise...... Saporni gets booted by Cronin after releasing another music video about 'roid rage

Next seasons take it to the bank .....Jack Parker dismisses one of BU's top 5 players

Next seasons HE finals Boston College v. UNH

BC...... Despite being the pre-season favorite, Milner rides the pine all season long.

BU..... The highly talented and skilled team once again finishes in the top 4 in HE and misses out on an NCAA bid

Maine ..... Timmay recruits 3 more goalies dismissing Sullivan

UMA...... continues to average an attendance 25% of capacity

UML ...... Start off slow before making a stretch run leading to absurd expectations heading into 2012-2013

MC ........ Cannata sets single season record for most saves as he gets shelled game in and game out

UNH ....... Umile keeps UNH at the top of the standing....somehow

NU .......... Cronin gets suspended ....again....

PC ......... Wins a game in February for the first time in 3? years.

UVM .........Returns to the NCAA tourney with an uncharacteristically consistent season
 
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Gawd, this is horrendously slow even for the offseason.

How about a poll...

Next seasons most improved team ........ Vermont : Talented incoming class compliments a now vetern offense

Next seasons biggest fall .......... Merrimack : with huge losses including da costa MC takes a significant step back

Next seasons biggest surprise...... Saporni gets booted by Cronin after releasing another music video about 'roid rage

Next seasons take it to the bank .....Jack Parker dismisses one of BU's top 5 players

Next seasons HE finals Boston College v. UNH

BC...... Despite being the pre-season favorite, Milner rides the pine all season long.

BU..... The highly talented and skilled team once again finishes in the top 4 in HE and misses out on an NCAA bid

UVM .........Returns to the NCAA tourney with an uncharacteristically consistent season

Your predictions seem a little biased don't they? Yeah yeah i know you never would make an unbiased opinion though. I can't pass down an opportunity to argue with you though. It will give you a little entertainment as apparently Vermont gets boring this time of the year.

Most improved- UVM - Can't believe I am agreeing with you here but it easier to improve more when you're in the bottom third of the league.

Biggest Fall- Maine- Whitehead is still the coach and Nyquist is gone. This team would shock me if they weren't 6 or worse in the league.

Biggest Surprise- Jcarter admits his love for Jack Parker and how much he idolizes him

Biggest Lock- Vermont's leading scorer quits the team...again.

HE finals- BU vs. BC

BC- scrape into the NCAA's as a four seed and proceed to beat a one seed to reverse the fortunes from this year. Then get killed in the regional final.

BU- beats UVM three times along with a beanpot and HE tournament win on the way to a FF appearance in Tampa

Maine- the fans kidnap Whitehead to prevent him from coaching the team any longer after another underachieveing season

UMA- Mike Pereira becomes an HE all conference performer but the Minutemen still remain in the bottom half of the conference

UML- Bring in Micky Ward on a nightly basis to give motivational speeches and they get out of the cellar because of it.

MC- Dennehy starts lining up other jobs after he discovers life without Da Costa. Tries to report more violation on Cronin so he can have his job

UNH- Umile starts throwing the fish on the ice himself and finds a way to get this team homeice in the HE tournament

NU- Saponari teaches the whole team how to party like a puckstar and drink the night before games...they "almost" win a Beanpot again

PC- Average an 50 fan increase per game on the season goes on and the team improves but still only have 1,500 in the seats at the end of the season

UVM- miss the NCAA tournament and home ice in HE as the team chooses to have hippy parties where they sit around smoke and eat cabot cheese
 
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Pretty good showing in the NHL playoffs by former Hockey East players. If I'm not mistaken James van Riemsdyk (UNH) is leading playoff scorers with 7 goals, while Tim Thomas (UVM) and Dwayne Roloson (UML), are playing great in net.

Did I miss any other Hockey East guys who are playing well?

Edit: Totally forgot about Martin St. Louis (UVM). Hope jcarter isn't offended lol
 
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Pretty good showing in the NHL playoffs by former Hockey East players. If I'm not mistaken James van Riemsdyk (UNH) is leading playoff scorers with 7 goals, while Tim Thomas (UVM) and Dwayne Roloson (UML), are playing great in net.

Did I miss any other Hockey East guys who are playing well?

Edit: Totally forgot about Martin St. Louis (UVM). Hope jcarter isn't offended lol
Yeah, was just about to post Martin St. Louis--tied for 2nd in points with 11.
 
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Yeah, was just about to post Martin St. Louis--tied for 2nd in points with 11.

I still can't believe how well van Riemsdyk is playing. When I saw him in Hockey East I couldn't believe he was such a high draft pick. He took a ton of stupid penalties and didn't seem like a sure fire NHL prospect.
 
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I still can't believe how well van Riemsdyk is playing. When I saw him in Hockey East I couldn't believe he was such a high draft pick. He took a ton of stupid penalties and didn't seem like a sure fire NHL prospect.

Posted this in the UNH thread...

At UNH he was lazy. Rarely saw that sort of play out of him, in 2 years he is that good and grew that much as a pro? Nah he was lazy in college because he could be.

My guess is he knew (smart kid) he needed more time in the weight room to make the NHL. So he had 2 options:
1) go major junior play ~80 games in a more physical, looser ref'ed league and have less practice time
or
2) go to college play ~40 games in a less physical, tighter ref'ed league, and have more time for practice & weight room

I'd take #2 every time less chance of injury, simply just protect the investment (his body) which is also why he didn't play as hard (= lazy).
 
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Posted this in the UNH thread...

At UNH he was lazy. Rarely saw that sort of play out of him, in 2 years he is that good and grew that much as a pro? Nah he was lazy in college because he could be.

My guess is he knew (smart kid) he needed more time in the weight room to make the NHL. So he had 2 options:
1) go major junior play ~80 games in a more physical, looser ref'ed league and have less practice time
or
2) go to college play ~40 games in a less physical, tighter ref'ed league, and have more time for practice & weight room

I'd take #2 every time less chance of injury, simply just protect the investment (his body) which is also why he didn't play as hard (= lazy).

I didn't mean to disparage JVR in my post. I was simply trying to point out that he didn't give a crap when he played for UNH.
 
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James van Riemsdyk
Freshman Season:
31 GP, 11G 23A 34 Pts, 108 SOG, +14.
Sophomore Season:
36 GP, 17G 23A 40 Pts, 138 SOG, +14.
 
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James van Riemsdyk
Freshman Season:
31 GP, 11G 23A 34 Pts, 108 SOG, +14.
Sophomore Season:
36 GP, 17G 23A 40 Pts, 138 SOG, +14.

Yup, if he played with anything resembling what we are seeing on the ice this playoffs those numbers would have been considerably larger. Nobody has ever doubted his talent. If he would have hit a guy in college from time to time and shown that grit he would have been a much better college player.
 
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Pretty good showing in the NHL playoffs by former Hockey East players. If I'm not mistaken James van Riemsdyk (UNH) is leading playoff scorers with 7 goals, while Tim Thomas (UVM) and Dwayne Roloson (UML), are playing great in net.

Did I miss any other Hockey East guys who are playing well?

Edit: Totally forgot about Martin St. Louis (UVM). Hope jcarter isn't offended lol

Torrey Mitchell (UVM) is also playing for the sharks, Howard (ME) in net for detroit, and actually there is a whole slew of ME players in TB. Also Ferriro (BC?) playing for the sharkes.... HE is well represented for the Stanley Cup. Not sure, but my guess is it's guaranteed at least 1 HE alumni that comes with the cup this year.
 
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How many Hockey East games did St. Louis play? Oh, right.... zero.
 
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Torrey Mitchell (UVM) is also playing for the sharks, Howard (ME) in net for detroit, and actually there is a whole slew of ME players in TB. Also Ferriro (BC?) playing for the sharkes.... HE is well represented for the Stanley Cup. Not sure, but my guess is it's guaranteed at least 1 HE alumni that comes with the cup this year.

Nashville's only Hockey East guy is Colin Wilson, who's been a healthy scratch this playoffs. Every other team in the playoffs has at least one Hockey East guy playing regularly.
 
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I still can't believe how well van Riemsdyk is playing. When I saw him in Hockey East I couldn't believe he was such a high draft pick. He took a ton of stupid penalties and didn't seem like a sure fire NHL prospect.
Huh? Let see - one of da biggest guy da ice, one of da fastest guys on da ice, wif sick hands et a lazure shot wif a litening releese.

So big, fast wif a great shot et hands mais udder dan dat not much of a prospect, eh?
 
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Yup, if he played with anything resembling what we are seeing on the ice this playoffs those numbers would have been considerably larger. Nobody has ever doubted his talent. If he would have hit a guy in college from time to time and shown that grit he would have been a much better college player.
He putted up 74 pointes in HE at an age when moste guy not even in HE yet, mais you tinked e was lazy?

Some guys get penalize pour being too smoothe "hey you making it look to easy, you muste not be trying, coodn't you look more like a windmill yard sale going down da ice so I can tell you is working."

Oui, e betteur now dan when e was at UNHs mais 2 pro training camp, 160+ pro game, et 5 playoof series gonna do dat pour anyone, not mention e went from being a teenageur to being 22 year old, eh.
 
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Your predictions seem a little biased don't they? Yeah yeah i know you never would make an unbiased opinion though. I can't pass down an opportunity to argue with you though. It will give you a little entertainment as apparently Vermont gets boring this time of the year.

Most improved- UVM - Can't believe I am agreeing with you here but it easier to improve more when you're in the bottom third of the league.

Biggest Fall- Maine- Whitehead is still the coach and Nyquist is gone. This team would shock me if they weren't 6 or worse in the league.

Biggest Surprise- Jcarter admits his love for Jack Parker and how much he idolizes him

Biggest Lock- Vermont's leading scorer quits the team...again.

HE finals- BU vs. BC

BC- scrape into the NCAA's as a four seed and proceed to beat a one seed to reverse the fortunes from this year. Then get killed in the regional final.

BU- beats UVM three times along with a beanpot and HE tournament win on the way to a FF appearance in Tampa

Maine- the fans kidnap Whitehead to prevent him from coaching the team any longer after another underachieveing season

UMA- Mike Pereira becomes an HE all conference performer but the Minutemen still remain in the bottom half of the conference

UML- Bring in Micky Ward on a nightly basis to give motivational speeches and they get out of the cellar because of it.

MC- Dennehy starts lining up other jobs after he discovers life without Da Costa. Tries to report more violation on Cronin so he can have his job

UNH- Umile starts throwing the fish on the ice himself and finds a way to get this team homeice in the HE tournament

NU- Saponari teaches the whole team how to party like a puckstar and drink the night before games...they "almost" win a Beanpot again

PC- Average an 50 fan increase per game on the season goes on and the team improves but still only have 1,500 in the seats at the end of the season

UVM- miss the NCAA tournament and home ice in HE as the team chooses to have hippy parties where they sit around smoke and eat cabot cheese

nice job, your creativity is improving.
 
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