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Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

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Gr8Sk8M8 said:
They were all over QPac...who tied with a (BS called) PP goal (one of 4 called on NU including a brief 5 on 3) AND they were given a gift PP in OT that they could not convert...NU earned that victory but were hosed into a tie...
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Shot attempts were 55-54 in favor of Q in all situations and 42-38 at even strength. Shots on goal were 27-23, NU. Maybe we have different definitions of "all over," but there is no measurable way to conclude that NU was in any way a significantly better team in that game. Don't get me wrong: It's very impressive that they were evenly-matched with one of the elite teams in the country, but they were hardly in control of the game.

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/metrics.php?gd=26130
 
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McBain75 said:
Lowell and PC - they've really benefitted, as all good teams do, in the past couple years from excellent goaltending. Boyle is gone, Ellis is gone, do they have qualified replacements ready to go? As we saw at NU last season, Witt graduated, and the transfer period to the next starter was pretty rocky.
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Lets not put Witt in the same discussion as Boyle, Ellis, Gillies, and Hellebuyck ok?
 
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J.D. said:
So if i have this right you first claim the game ended at midnight and i point out it ended at 930, a 2.5 hour difference...and you correct me by saying it ended at 931?

Good luck NU fans!
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Its ok, a few of the players decided to drink with him at midnight. I have to believe drinking with Gr8Sk8M8 would probably drive me to the same levels of exhaustion as playing 3 additional periods of hockey.
 
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kdiff77 said:
Shot attempts were 55-54 in favor of Q in all situations and 42-38 at even strength. Shots on goal were 27-23, NU. Maybe we have different definitions of "all over," but there is no measurable way to conclude that NU was in any way a significantly better team in that game. Don't get me wrong: It's very impressive that they were evenly-matched with one of the elite teams in the country, but they were hardly in control of the game.

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/metrics.php?gd=26130
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Shot on goal/attempts are a measure of what other than shots on goal/attempts?
 
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UML Puck Hawk said:
Its ok, a few of the players decided to drink with him at midnight. I have to believe drinking with Gr8Sk8M8 would probably drive me to the same levels of exhaustion as playing 3 additional periods of hockey.
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Hilarious that you would even dare to chirp...

Three words:

HOCKEY EAST CHAMPS...
 
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J.D. said:
So if i have this right you first claim the game ended at midnight and i point out it ended at 930, a 2.5 hour difference...and you correct me by saying it ended at 931?

Good luck NU fans!
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If you're going to be anal expect to be mooned...
 
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Gr8Sk8M8 said:
Shot on goal/attempts are a measure of what other than shots on goal/attempts?
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What else is there to measure? Is not the object of a hockey game to outscore your opponent? If you have the same amount of opportunities to score (by virtue of attempting to put the puck in the net, e.g. taking a "shot"), don't you have a similar chance of winning the game as your opponent does?

If you can't quantify it or put it in tangible terms, you cannot back up the statement that you were "all over" your opponent because it simply isn't true. There have been many games I've watched where I felt like one team was getting better than the other, but then I was surprised to learn later that the stats didn't support that idea. Sometimes, just watching the game doesn't tell the whole story, especially when you are heavily biased toward one of the participants.

Do you have any evidence that suggests that NU was the better team that day? If not, your personal bias is probably skewing your perception of events.
 
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kdiff77 said:
What else is there to measure? Is not the object of a hockey game to outscore your opponent? If you have the same amount of opportunities to score (by virtue of attempting to put the puck in the net, e.g. taking a "shot"), don't you have a similar chance of winning the game as your opponent does?

If you can't quantify it or put it in tangible terms, you cannot back up the statement that you were "all over" your opponent because it simply isn't true. There have been many games I've watched where I felt like one team was getting better than the other, but then I was surprised to learn later that the stats didn't support that idea. Sometimes, just watching the game doesn't tell the whole story, especially when you are heavily biased toward one of the participants.

Do you have any evidence that suggests that NU was the better team that day? If not, your personal bias is probably skewing your perception of events.
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Just rep him. If I am right, this is his second go around on trying to get banned. He's just looking for attention
 
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USCHO Preseason Poll

6 Hockey East Teams, a seventh receiving votes.


September 26, 2016
Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 North Dakota (43) 34- 6-4 993 1
2 Quinnipiac ( 1) 32- 4-7 856 2
3 Denver 25-10-6 848 4
4 Boston University ( 5) 21-13-5 774 14
5 Boston College ( 1) 28- 8-5 641 3
6 Minnesota-Duluth 19-16-5 621 9
7 St. Cloud State 31- 9-1 569 5
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 26-10-5 535 7
9 Notre Dame 19-11-7 502 13
10 Providence 27- 7-4 476 7
11 Michigan 25- 8-5 470 6
12 Harvard 19-11-4 422 10
13 Minnesota 20-17-0 404 NR
14 Bowling Green 22-14-6 370 NR
15 Northeastern 22-15-5 361 12
16 St. Lawrence 19-14-4 336 18
17 Michigan Tech 23- 9-5 285 16
18 Yale 19- 9-4 283 11
19 Minnesota State 21-13-7 153 17
20 Ferris State 20-15-6 126 15
Others receiving votes: Cornell 92, Nebraska-Omaha 85, Penn State 63, Clarkson 62, Rochester Institute of Technology 62, Ohio State 33, Air Force 17, Vermont 16, Miami 11, Wisconsin 10, Dartmouth 6, Robert Morris 6, Michigan State 5.
 
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HHound said:
I hope you can appreciate UVM's good fortune in facing NU at the beginning of last season. If they had played the Huskies in January or February, UVM would have had three fewer points and NU would have had a first round bye!

Finishing behind UVM this season would be more than just embarrassing. It would require, at a minimum, serious injuries to our top 2 goalies and top two forward lines. That would be tragic!:(
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HH Hound, what are you personally projecting for your Huskies this season?
 
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HockeyRef said:
HH Hound, what are you personally projecting for your Huskies this season?
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It's tough enough to predict the outcome of one game, but since you asked: 21-10-3 for the regular season. 15-7-2 in Hockey East = 2-3rd place.
 
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kdiff77 said:
Do you have any evidence that suggests that NU was the better team that day? If not, your personal bias is probably skewing your perception of events.
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Yes...witnessing the game which is available in archive somewhere. Any chance that QPac launched a puck toward the net just about every time they hit the blueline? What would that do to the *stats*?

Where does attack zone time figure into your metrics?
 
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Chuck Murray said:
I can remember a few seasons where UNH won most (if not all) of those things BC *won* last season ("NCAA Regional Championship"?? Really??? No banners for that at The Whitt even), and BC won the HE Tourney, and the spin-happy folks at Bandwagon Nation had an entirely different slant on things at the time. Shocking.

:confused: :rolleyes:
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Chuck, where did I say that I was satisfied with that? Hint, I didn't. All, I said was that objectively BC's season was better than Northeastern's. Personally, any time BC has a team deep and talented enough that they have 7 drafted players leave early and still have the top four scorers coming back from that team, then anything less than a National Championship is a disappointment.
 
Gr8Sk8M8 said:
Yes...witnessing the game which is available in archive somewhere. Any chance that QPac launched a puck toward the net just about every time they hit the blueline? What would that do to the *stats*?

Where does attack zone time figure into your metrics?
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No, there is virtually no chance that a team would launch the puck toward the net every time they gain the blue line. This is a faulty line of thinking that simply aims to further an agenda that isn't supported by anything of substance.

Attack zone time would be a great stat to look at. To my knowledge, tracking of this stat is nonexistent at the college level and only used occasionally in the NHL.

This will be my last post on the subject. I've spent too much time trying to convince someone who won't listen that something did not occur the way they perceived it to. And it wasn't really an important point in the first place.
 
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