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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
Then what were the last two years plus this year?
Then what were the last two years plus this year?
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Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
No way would he come back ... or more accurately, no way he would be allowed back. Technically, his "lifetime contract" will have finally expired, and (as we will touch on later below) he's already pushed this situation out well beyond the point of tolerance, and in doing so has worn out his welcome. It is far more likely someone at UNH will come up with some far-fetched scheme to re-classify one of the exhibition wins as a legitimate non-conference win (and that's not happening, obviously). To say there would have to be some serious face-saving gesture(s) involved should the Quest stall out short of the NRN would be an understatement of epic proportions ...
As they say ... pride goeth before the fall. Coach does have lots of pride - arguably, too much TBH. And the longer he's hung on over the last half-decade or so, as his formerly perennial national contending program has migrated slowly but steadily away from the heights where he earned the (somewhat patronizing) tag of the "classy runner up", he has squandered a ton of goodwill in the process, as long-time UNH fans endure the seemingly endless wait to see if his successor can "right the ship" that Coach has currently let run far adrift.
In doing all of this, Coach has ended up putting his UNH legacy in a really tough spot. Should he be remembered for the success he was in the midst of during the better part of his first 20 years on the job? Absolutely yes. But the longer he has hung on, the longer this stretch of abject mediocrity (at best) has extended, and each year takes us another step further removed from all the good (if not great) things he did accomplish in the '90's and '00's.
Coach can still pull this out of his hat in a positive way IF he finishes up this season with a winning record, and something to show for the postseason (trip to Boston and/or the NCAA's). The sooner he gets the 600 in the rear-view mirror, the better. But scraping to the 600 in the RS finale or in the MBPBEGAM *playoffs* is not going to do anything other than allow the AD's office to put together some cloying little ceremony in mid/late February. And my guess is that ceremony will involve a lot of polite applause, and a somewhat embarrassed coach.
Where I think Coach has really put his legacy on the line was his direct involvement in selecting Coach Souza as his successor. If Souza is not successful, then that's another (post-retirement) strike against Coach Umile. On the other hand, if Souza turns into the second coming of Shawn Walsh or Norm Bazin, then Coach Umile should be hailed as a visionary in seeing something that pretty much no one else has yet seen from him to date.
No way would he come back ... or more accurately, no way he would be allowed back. Technically, his "lifetime contract" will have finally expired, and (as we will touch on later below) he's already pushed this situation out well beyond the point of tolerance, and in doing so has worn out his welcome. It is far more likely someone at UNH will come up with some far-fetched scheme to re-classify one of the exhibition wins as a legitimate non-conference win (and that's not happening, obviously). To say there would have to be some serious face-saving gesture(s) involved should the Quest stall out short of the NRN would be an understatement of epic proportions ...
As they say ... pride goeth before the fall. Coach does have lots of pride - arguably, too much TBH. And the longer he's hung on over the last half-decade or so, as his formerly perennial national contending program has migrated slowly but steadily away from the heights where he earned the (somewhat patronizing) tag of the "classy runner up", he has squandered a ton of goodwill in the process, as long-time UNH fans endure the seemingly endless wait to see if his successor can "right the ship" that Coach has currently let run far adrift.
In doing all of this, Coach has ended up putting his UNH legacy in a really tough spot. Should he be remembered for the success he was in the midst of during the better part of his first 20 years on the job? Absolutely yes. But the longer he has hung on, the longer this stretch of abject mediocrity (at best) has extended, and each year takes us another step further removed from all the good (if not great) things he did accomplish in the '90's and '00's.
Coach can still pull this out of his hat in a positive way IF he finishes up this season with a winning record, and something to show for the postseason (trip to Boston and/or the NCAA's). The sooner he gets the 600 in the rear-view mirror, the better. But scraping to the 600 in the RS finale or in the MBPBEGAM *playoffs* is not going to do anything other than allow the AD's office to put together some cloying little ceremony in mid/late February. And my guess is that ceremony will involve a lot of polite applause, and a somewhat embarrassed coach.
Where I think Coach has really put his legacy on the line was his direct involvement in selecting Coach Souza as his successor. If Souza is not successful, then that's another (post-retirement) strike against Coach Umile. On the other hand, if Souza turns into the second coming of Shawn Walsh or Norm Bazin, then Coach Umile should be hailed as a visionary in seeing something that pretty much no one else has yet seen from him to date.
Split-N
All Hail
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
My comment was in response to that of another poster who specifically posed a situation where Umile ended the season with ~599 wins. Neither the original post nor my response had absolutely anything to do anybody's coaching record over the past two years plus. Let's try to keep things in context.
My comment was in response to that of another poster who specifically posed a situation where Umile ended the season with ~599 wins. Neither the original post nor my response had absolutely anything to do anybody's coaching record over the past two years plus. Let's try to keep things in context.
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
Has the PreSeason All Star always had three defensemen?
Has the PreSeason All Star always had three defensemen?
Pride, for sure. But, class? Really? I suggest arrogance and narcissism. How many Div 1 hockey programs can you name that agreed to a coach's demand to appoint his own successor as part of an agreement to step down?
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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
Here is the UCHO D1 Poll FWIW.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/
The old faves still get unwarranted votes - probably the result of too many ballots from too many who are only casually interested in the sport. UNH got 1 vote. Maine should have had at least that many.
Here is the UCHO D1 Poll FWIW.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/
The old faves still get unwarranted votes - probably the result of too many ballots from too many who are only casually interested in the sport. UNH got 1 vote. Maine should have had at least that many.
UML Puck Hawk
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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
1. Denver
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(2-12) Teams that have a chance to win if Denver is hit with multiple injuries
(13-20) Crazier things have happened
1. Denver
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(2-12) Teams that have a chance to win if Denver is hit with multiple injuries
(13-20) Crazier things have happened
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Hey I thought Maine wouldn't finish last! 10th is not last
I actually think Maine has some good individual pieces, my pick was more a lack of faith in the staff and upperclassmen to hold their weight. It wouldn't completely shock me if they were 8/9 at season's end.
Who else is shocked Maine was picked last, yeah, no one
Hey I thought Maine wouldn't finish last! 10th is not last
I actually think Maine has some good individual pieces, my pick was more a lack of faith in the staff and upperclassmen to hold their weight. It wouldn't completely shock me if they were 8/9 at season's end.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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One can hope but after watching this team for the last few years I'll believe it when I see it.Hey I thought Maine wouldn't finish last! 10th is not last
I actually think Maine has some good individual pieces, my pick was more a lack of faith in the staff and upperclassmen to hold their weight. It wouldn't completely shock me if they were 8/9 at season's end.
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Your "suggestions" are the correct diagnosis ...........
Your "suggestions" are the correct diagnosis ...........
UML Puck Hawk
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http://hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1718/201709/sep26mcp.php
Well the coaches have pretty mixed feelings. 5 teams receiving first place votes
1. Boston University (2) 90
2. UMass Lowell (5) 88
3. Providence (2) 83
4. Boston College (1) 75
5. Northeastern (1) 72
6. Vermont 54
7. UConn 39
8. New Hampshire 37
9. Merrimack 29
10.(tie)Maine 19
10.(tie)Massachusetts 19
http://hockeyeastonline.com/men/pres1718/201709/sep26mcp.php
Well the coaches have pretty mixed feelings. 5 teams receiving first place votes
1. Boston University (2) 90
2. UMass Lowell (5) 88
3. Providence (2) 83
4. Boston College (1) 75
5. Northeastern (1) 72
6. Vermont 54
7. UConn 39
8. New Hampshire 37
9. Merrimack 29
10.(tie)Maine 19
10.(tie)Massachusetts 19
UML Puck Hawk
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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
Since this may be somewhere all Hockey East fans look, Mike McMahon tweeted the four teams each team plays as their "extra games" will remain the same next season (18-19). For those keeping track at home, that means the extra game in 18-19 will be:
BC - @UConn, @Maine, @Lowell, PC
BU - UConn, Maine, @PC, MC
UConn - BC, @BU, @UMA, @UVM
Maine - BC, @BU, UMA, @UNH
UMA - @PC, @MC, @Maine, UConn
Lowell - BC, UNH, UVM, @NU
MC - @BU, UMA, PC, @NU
UNH - NU, @Lowell, Maine, @Vermont
NU - @UNH, UVM, UML, MC
PC - @BC, BU, UMA, @MC
UVM - UNH, @Lowell, @ NU, UConn
The balance is weird for most teams because UVM and Maine travel guidelines [guessing]. All teams still have 11 home and 11 away, so to keep the rotations around UVM and Maine weekends the rest of the rotation gets a bit weird.
Since this may be somewhere all Hockey East fans look, Mike McMahon tweeted the four teams each team plays as their "extra games" will remain the same next season (18-19). For those keeping track at home, that means the extra game in 18-19 will be:
BC - @UConn, @Maine, @Lowell, PC
BU - UConn, Maine, @PC, MC
UConn - BC, @BU, @UMA, @UVM
Maine - BC, @BU, UMA, @UNH
UMA - @PC, @MC, @Maine, UConn
Lowell - BC, UNH, UVM, @NU
MC - @BU, UMA, PC, @NU
UNH - NU, @Lowell, Maine, @Vermont
NU - @UNH, UVM, UML, MC
PC - @BC, BU, UMA, @MC
UVM - UNH, @Lowell, @ NU, UConn
The balance is weird for most teams because UVM and Maine travel guidelines [guessing]. All teams still have 11 home and 11 away, so to keep the rotations around UVM and Maine weekends the rest of the rotation gets a bit weird.
ScottK
Riverhawk Radio Meteorologist and Statistician
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I think you posted this year's games for Maine and Vermont, not next year. Lowell plays 2 at UVM and 1 at home vs UVM this year, so next year it should be the opposite.
I think you posted this year's games for Maine and Vermont, not next year. Lowell plays 2 at UVM and 1 at home vs UVM this year, so next year it should be the opposite.
Maine is correct.
UML Puck Hawk
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Pretty sure I am right here. I have Lowell playing UVM at home for the third game next year. So that means 2 at Lowell, 1 at UVM
Pretty sure I am right here. I have Lowell playing UVM at home for the third game next year. So that means 2 at Lowell, 1 at UVM
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ScottK
Riverhawk Radio Meteorologist and Statistician
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017
You have a bunch of the teams listed as having either 3 of the 4 extra games at home or on the road, all involving Maine and Vermont. Every team has 2 extra home games and 2 extra road games this year. since the schedule just flips next season, you can't have BU/Lowell/NU all having 3 home/1 road, and BC/UConn/UMass having 1 home/3 road.
You have a bunch of the teams listed as having either 3 of the 4 extra games at home or on the road, all involving Maine and Vermont. Every team has 2 extra home games and 2 extra road games this year. since the schedule just flips next season, you can't have BU/Lowell/NU all having 3 home/1 road, and BC/UConn/UMass having 1 home/3 road.