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Hockey East 2020-2021
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Wind up workin' in a gas station
Reggie Lewis, Len Bias
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Marc-Vivien Foe (2003 international soccer), Pete Maravich (pick-up hoops after long NBA career)
Soccer has the longest list of all, literally dozens, right out on the pitch. Sad, but it happens.
Soccer has the longest list of all, literally dozens, right out on the pitch. Sad, but it happens.
The Zlax45
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Len Bias death was considered cocaine related, Reggie Lewis (some also say it was myocarditis) and Marc Vivien Foe both had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, and Maravich died of a congenital heart defect.
We are talking about myocarditis here which isn't any of these guys.
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The Zlax45
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Testing athletes before a game isn't really working right now...Eight out of 11 teams in the Big East have had their season paused this season.
The Zlax45
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You literally had a player have a heart attack on the court and both coaches said play on...It is disgusting behavior by both Florida and Florida State to continue that game a few weeks ago. Duke Women's Hoops players took a stand for their own safety and more teams should be doing it.
Are more college and pro players being diagnosed with this myocarditis now than before? The answer seems to be yes. Maybe we should pause and find out what is going on so we can safely play sports.
Did they contract COVID due to playing basketball or off the court? We probably don't know. But I will ask this to you, when is it ok to play? Give me some numbers.
Myocarditis can be so mild it goes unnoticed. Are the athletes who get diagnosed with it experiencing severe symptoms or is it just popping up on routine screening after a COVID diagnosis? Cannot believe we are still on this topic.
Zlax, where have you been. Sports were paused. So again, when is it ok to play? Nobody ever answers that question.
I do agree on one thing though. That basketball game you're referring to should have been called off after the kid collapsed.
Zlax, where have you been. Sports were paused. So again, when is it ok to play? Nobody ever answers that question.
I do agree on one thing though. That basketball game you're referring to should have been called off after the kid collapsed.
The Zlax45
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Yea, sports were paused and conditions are MUCH worse now. So if it was dangerous earlier to play, why is it safer now?
And you just won't answer the question
But to answer your question, we know a lot more about the virus now, have testing and protocols being followed that weren't in place back in March. These sports leagues that have started up all consulted with health experts along the way. It's not perfect but that is the reasoning.
But to answer your question, we know a lot more about the virus now, have testing and protocols being followed that weren't in place back in March. These sports leagues that have started up all consulted with health experts along the way. It's not perfect but that is the reasoning.
The Zlax45
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I am not the HEALTH expert on what is safe but I am sitting here watching a football team that had a ton of opt outs due to COVID.
Hockey East right now has had multiple outbreaks on teams from PC being shutdown three times, BU not playing a game yet, Maine and Northeastern starting and stopping, UNH playing only two games, etc. Many of these colleges are NOT even having in person classes but let's play games against other schools?
Is it fair to everyone to crown a regular season or post season champion with everyone playing different number of games? These are questions for the conference commish who is NOWHERE to be seen!
Just like any other sports league, when you decide you're going to play you do so knowing that you will have some COVID cases pop up. As for what Hockey East is doing, I certainly don't see any clear direction from the league. Seems to be driven by the individual schools.
Split-N
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For the record, Northeastern did NOT "start and stop." It had the start of its season paused for a bit because of situations involving other teams that had absolutely nothing to do with men's hockey. To date, the men's hockey program--including both athletes and support staff--has had zero positives and zero indirect involvement through contact tracing. And yes, the university as a whole has been conducting in-person classes. As of today, the school has conducted some 530,000 tests and shows a seven day rolling positivity rate of .81% in the middle of a city with a positivity rate of over 15%.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
In other understated news, the sun seems to rise in the east, and seems to set in the west.
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I'll answer the question. In all honesty, if we're truly being responsible, it would be OK to play when 70-80% of the country has been vaccinated -- again, projected to be mid-summer. As for the numbers you requested; I've already provided numerous times the percentage of Div. I athletes tested post-infection being diagnosed with myocarditis. It's about 15%. And the understanding is that the vast, vast majority of those did NOT have myocarditis pre-Covid. So, at approximately 480,000 total athletes in NCAA at all levels, and assume an infection rate nationally of 10-15% of all population to this point, that means approximately 48,000 athletes likely infected. Times 15% equates to about 7,200 total athletes that may already have developed some level of myocarditis.
And yes, many of these cases are mild in nature. But many are more serious than that. The challenge is, these are high level athletes and, each persons' susceptibility to a certain degree of myocarditis or lung scarring will vary from athlete to athlete. Not only that, depending on the severity of the myocarditis, it could become a life long issue that genuinely limits a person's activity level for the rest of their lives. And, for umpteenth time, there are other post-infection health issues they are just now coming to understand. With even asymptomatic individuals developing them. How many athletes collapsing on a court, field, or rink is too many? How many athletes having a permanent heart or lung disability is too many? Please JD, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer those questions...And what about the tens of thousands of youth and high school athletes that may develop these issues as well? You do realize that adds another layer of the population with pre-existing conditions/life-long health issues which all of us will ultimately have to help pay for down the road.
And so what if sports were paused already? Back in April we were told by the experts that we would likely have to go in and out of restrictions as the virus surged and declined. Funny, that's exactly how it has played out. Weird...experts knew what they were talking about.
I thought you indicated the learned people are saying the vaccine will become available to the general public by early summer. That does not mean 70-80% of the country will be vaccinated. Will the government mandate it? Employers? How can you possibly know when that percentage of the country will be vaccinated?
As for athletes collapsing on the court, we have the Florida basketball player and nobody knows if it was caused by having COVID. Of course it fits the agenda to say it was COVID related but you really have no idea. And I am not forcing anyone to play, so don't put that on me. Players have access to what we know about COVID. They have family members to discuss with. They can opt out and keep scholarship. They are not being forced to play. If they are so terrified of myocarditis they can stay in a bunker till June (most likely longer). They can also get COVID on their own time like a BC football player did. Zero positive cases the entire season and one from a player upon returning from going home for Thanksgiving. Finally, if athletes are being screened for myocarditis after a COVID diagnosis that doesn't mean they got it because of COVID. It can be so mild it's possible they already had it and simply didn't know because they were never tested/screened for it. But some people are just so desperate to link everything to COVID.
As for athletes collapsing on the court, we have the Florida basketball player and nobody knows if it was caused by having COVID. Of course it fits the agenda to say it was COVID related but you really have no idea. And I am not forcing anyone to play, so don't put that on me. Players have access to what we know about COVID. They have family members to discuss with. They can opt out and keep scholarship. They are not being forced to play. If they are so terrified of myocarditis they can stay in a bunker till June (most likely longer). They can also get COVID on their own time like a BC football player did. Zero positive cases the entire season and one from a player upon returning from going home for Thanksgiving. Finally, if athletes are being screened for myocarditis after a COVID diagnosis that doesn't mean they got it because of COVID. It can be so mild it's possible they already had it and simply didn't know because they were never tested/screened for it. But some people are just so desperate to link everything to COVID.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
HUGE difference between "science" and "the experts", J.D. I could find an "expert" tonight who would testify on a stack of Bibles that the Sun revolves around the Earth, and not vice versa.
Let's put it this way, in the context of the Wuhan Flu a/k/a COVID-19. IF you were the most learned and prominent expert in your field related to immunology ... would you be working for government scale pay (good benefits but not huge money) OR would you be heading up your own department somewhere in the private sector at a place like Pfizer, Merck, or Johnson & Johnson, making real money, stock options AND on the front line of cutting edge research?
Clue: Dr. Fauci and his ilk did not come up with the vaccines. REAL experts in the private sector did.
Just a cautionary note before anyone gets out over their skis on what constitutes "learned" and true "expertise" ... many so-called "experts" are nothing more than over-credentialed frauds with bulky CV's containing a long list of nothings, who happen to be good at marketing and networking to get their name out in the public domain. We've seen a LOT of those folks over the last several months, enjoying themselves WAY too much, and just so reluctant to let their 15 minutes of fame lapse.
Name the Boston sports figure who famously said "The Sun will rise, the Sun will set. But, I will go have lunch." And, what were the circumstances of said quote?
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