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Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
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ScoobyDoo
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Pretty much, its a done deal and unlike Rover I think its going to make things worse not better. Get it done, the sooner the better is all that seems to matter. Does it deal with rising health care costs? Why is it delayed to 2014? if its going to save money, shouldn't we start saving now?
Pretty much, its a done deal and unlike Rover I think its going to make things worse not better. Get it done, the sooner the better is all that seems to matter. Does it deal with rising health care costs? Why is it delayed to 2014? if its going to save money, shouldn't we start saving now?
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
For something as big as this shouldn't the gov't have to prove that it can do what it says before we give over full control?
The gov't is already 0-2 when it comes to entitlement programs. Why should they get a third?
For something as big as this shouldn't the gov't have to prove that it can do what it says before we give over full control?
The gov't is already 0-2 when it comes to entitlement programs. Why should they get a third?
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Just curious, but what is your problem with Social Security?
Regarding walrus' question, there is an effort to speed up certain provisions of the law, but some others will take time to set up (exchanges, public option, etc).
Just curious, but what is your problem with Social Security?
Regarding walrus' question, there is an effort to speed up certain provisions of the law, but some others will take time to set up (exchanges, public option, etc).
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
He can speak for himself, but I'm guessing it might have to do with the "Social Security running out of funds" issue that's on the horizon.
I think that'll end up being an overblown issue. Once the boomers start kicking the bucket, our population growth trends will normalize everything.
He can speak for himself, but I'm guessing it might have to do with the "Social Security running out of funds" issue that's on the horizon.
I think that'll end up being an overblown issue. Once the boomers start kicking the bucket, our population growth trends will normalize everything.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Not talking about parts of the bill, I'm talking the whole thing, why is it set to go into affect in 2014 when it could be saving us money now?
Not talking about parts of the bill, I'm talking the whole thing, why is it set to go into affect in 2014 when it could be saving us money now?
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Again with how you can't set all of this stuff up overnight....
Again with how you can't set all of this stuff up overnight....
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Why? Considering how he's draped himself with this issue, it may very well define his presidency.
Why? Considering how he's draped himself with this issue, it may very well define his presidency.
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Now, how to prevent that from happening...........
But if the boomers live longer due to better health care, they will drain the SS system dry sooner.
Now, how to prevent that from happening...........
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Death panels.
Lipstick!
But if the boomers live longer due to better health care, they will drain the SS system dry sooner.
Now, how to prevent that from happening...........
Death panels.
Lipstick!
leswp1
New member
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Heh! not verbose but funny!
Heh! not verbose but funny!
leswp1
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Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
CC to Joecct- check your email.
But if the boomers live longer due to better health care, they will drain the SS system dry sooner.
Now, how to prevent that from happening...........
CC to Joecct- check your email.
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
And it's basically a glorified Ponzi scheme.
And it's basically a glorified Ponzi scheme.
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
Both dumb Republican talking points with no basis in reality.
Ponzi schemes aren't paid for. That's why they collapse. Social Security has a dedicated revenue stream that will keep the program solvent for over 100 years and would have even more had the surpluses been reinvested in the program.
Next, its not bankrupt at all. Not only is it running surplus, a few simple tweaks to the formula to pay for an unprecedented # of retirees due to demographics keeps the program up and running.
Here lies the problem with conservatives. Its sorta the "sky is purple because I say it is" attitude devoid of all facts and reasoning that we've seen over the last 8 years out of the right. That's why we can all be thankful people like that are no longer in power in this country.
Both dumb Republican talking points with no basis in reality.
Ponzi schemes aren't paid for. That's why they collapse. Social Security has a dedicated revenue stream that will keep the program solvent for over 100 years and would have even more had the surpluses been reinvested in the program.
Next, its not bankrupt at all. Not only is it running surplus, a few simple tweaks to the formula to pay for an unprecedented # of retirees due to demographics keeps the program up and running.
Here lies the problem with conservatives. Its sorta the "sky is purple because I say it is" attitude devoid of all facts and reasoning that we've seen over the last 8 years out of the right. That's why we can all be thankful people like that are no longer in power in this country.
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
1) Its funded exactly like a Ponzi scheme. Its schuffles money from one person to another today without having any true returns.
2) Fully bankrupt by 2037 - taking in less than expenditures in 2016 (at the latest; some estimates give it two years)
3) Social Security and Medicare currently account for $53 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
The fact is that if we don't do something about these programs to reign in their spending the country will go bankrupt. The gov't has proven that it is completely incapable of running any kind of entitlement program and to give them another one will simply drive this country into bankruptcy faster.
Both dumb Republican talking points with no basis in reality.
Ponzi schemes aren't paid for. That's why they collapse. Social Security has a dedicated revenue stream that will keep the program solvent for over 100 years and would have even more had the surpluses been reinvested in the program.
Next, its not bankrupt at all. Not only is it running surplus, a few simple tweaks to the formula to pay for an unprecedented # of retirees due to demographics keeps the program up and running.
Here lies the problem with conservatives. Its sorta the "sky is purple because I say it is" attitude devoid of all facts and reasoning that we've seen over the last 8 years out of the right. That's why we can all be thankful people like that are no longer in power in this country.
1) Its funded exactly like a Ponzi scheme. Its schuffles money from one person to another today without having any true returns.
2) Fully bankrupt by 2037 - taking in less than expenditures in 2016 (at the latest; some estimates give it two years)
3) Social Security and Medicare currently account for $53 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
The fact is that if we don't do something about these programs to reign in their spending the country will go bankrupt. The gov't has proven that it is completely incapable of running any kind of entitlement program and to give them another one will simply drive this country into bankruptcy faster.
Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
1) Nooooo MinnFan, again a Ponzi scheme (like Madoff's) is claiming to have money it doesn't possess. Social Security actually has the dedicated revenues, something a Ponzi scheme doesn't.
2) Once again, you contradict yourself in your own post. A few posts ago you said the system was bankrupt, meaning in the here and now. Now you're saying its running a surplus this year? 
Do you often have arguments with yourself like this?
3) Social security fix is simple, means test the benefits and presto! problem solved. Regarding Medicare/Medicaid, if you're so concerned about the cost of the program, why then are you opposing the Democratic efforts to save 750Bn for the Treasury over the next two decades by independent analysis. Again, you've contradicted yourself.
1) Nooooo MinnFan, again a Ponzi scheme (like Madoff's) is claiming to have money it doesn't possess. Social Security actually has the dedicated revenues, something a Ponzi scheme doesn't.
2) Once again, you contradict yourself in your own post.
A few posts ago you said the system was bankrupt, meaning in the here and now. Now you're saying its running a surplus this year? Do you often have arguments with yourself like this?3) Social security fix is simple, means test the benefits and presto! problem solved. Regarding Medicare/Medicaid, if you're so concerned about the cost of the program, why then are you opposing the Democratic efforts to save 750Bn for the Treasury over the next two decades by independent analysis.
Again, you've contradicted yourself.Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs
It most certainly is, basically, a Ponzi scheme. Well, maybe Pyramid scheme is a better terminology. It's taking money from one group of people and giving it to another with no added value. Any scheme like that is basically a "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul" type system. Which is exactly what SS is. Takes money from workers and gives it to retirees. No matter if the retiree put in $0 or $1m.
As long as the Government keeps the payouts the same or lowering them and keeps jacking up the tax levy then SS will survive the selfishness of the current retirees and the poor planning by the Government.
Also do me a favor and please stop putting by your insults. They aren't funny and the stupid doesn't make them so. If you going to try to insult someone at least admit it.
It most certainly is, basically, a Ponzi scheme. Well, maybe Pyramid scheme is a better terminology. It's taking money from one group of people and giving it to another with no added value. Any scheme like that is basically a "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul" type system. Which is exactly what SS is. Takes money from workers and gives it to retirees. No matter if the retiree put in $0 or $1m.
As long as the Government keeps the payouts the same or lowering them and keeps jacking up the tax levy then SS will survive the selfishness of the current retirees and the poor planning by the Government.
Also do me a favor and please stop putting
by your insults. They aren't funny and the stupid doesn't make them so. If you going to try to insult someone at least admit it.
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