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joecct said:
SACRILEGE!!!
(filler to keep it all caps)

You're playing with fire on that quip, Kep. A consecrated host IS the Body of Christ.
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I didn't say consecrated. I'm not a heathen. Well, I guess I am a heathen, but I'm not a barbarian.
 
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SO YOU NEED A LINE BREAK TO PRESERVE ALL CAPS?
I did not know that.

SO YOU NEED A LINE BREAK TO PRESERVE ALL CAPS?

I did not know that.

Edit: seems to work without it. Or is that you need a line break in a single message? Next msg to test.
 
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SO YOU NEED A LINE BREAK TO PRESERVE ALL CAPS?
I did not know that.

Edit: Nope, still seems to work.
 
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Kepler said:
SO YOU NEED A LINE BREAK TO PRESERVE ALL CAPS?
I did not know that.

SO YOU NEED A LINE BREAK TO PRESERVE ALL CAPS?

I did not know that.

Edit: seems to work without it. Or is that you need a line break in a single message? Next msg to test.
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IN ORDER TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS, THERE MUST BE ONE CHARACTER ADDED IN YOUR NEW MESSAGE (CHARACTERS INSIDE OF QUOTES TAGS DO NOT COUNT). a
 
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Wait. Really?

edit: Huh. Guess so. That's why "FYP" never makes it as a complete post.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You use this reference a lot. You do remember that The Time Machine is a horrendously-written chore of a book, right? :p
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I like the very beginning (the drawing room scene with all the Victoriana). I think the concept is quite useful to explain the divergence in the 20th/21st century of two groups of people with less and less in common and less and less to say to each other, other than snarling.
 
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Kepler said:
My first thought is we better audit the software of every system in every industry that undergoes environmental testing. The BBC interviewee from a testing site said "this will go beyond VW and beyond Diesel." I assume it goes beyond automobiles and into everything. It's exactly the sort of thing an energy company or agribusiness would do, for example.
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Yes and no. As I understand it, this is the only consumer diesel engine that doesn't have a urea system in it to help treat the exhaust gasses. So the engines that do have a urea system are far, far less likely to be non-compliant because they have the added expense of the system, so you might as well make it work.

Jalopnik has done some really nice coverage of this. Those gearheads have said this puts the entire consumer diesel program in the US is in trouble because of this. Not just VW.

http://jalopnik.com/tag/dieselgate

Articles of note:
--Your Guide To Dieselgate: Volkswagen's Diesel Cheating Catastrophe http://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-dieselgate-volkswagens-diesel-cheating-c-1731857018

--Volkswagen is Screwed: http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-is-screwed-1732039455

--Understanding The 'Test Mode' That Let VW Trick The Emissions Test: http://jalopnik.com/understanding-the-test-mode-that-let-vw-trick-the-emiss-1732175835
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yes and no. As I understand it, this is the only consumer diesel engine that doesn't have a urea system in it to help treat the exhaust gasses. So the engines that do have a urea system are far, far less likely to be non-compliant because they have the added expense of the system, so you might as well make it work.

Jalopnik has done some really nice coverage of this. Those gearheads have said this puts the entire consumer diesel program in the US is in trouble because of this. Not just VW.

http://jalopnik.com/tag/dieselgate

Articles of note:
--Your Guide To Dieselgate: Volkswagen's Diesel Cheating Catastrophe http://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-dieselgate-volkswagens-diesel-cheating-c-1731857018

--Volkswagen is Screwed: http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-is-screwed-1732039455

--Understanding The 'Test Mode' That Let VW Trick The Emissions Test: http://jalopnik.com/understanding-the-test-mode-that-let-vw-trick-the-emiss-1732175835
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Hey, don't throw us under the bus in this, I have very intimate knowledge of how our calibrations operate, since I have actually developed them myself, I can state with confidence that there is nothing like this in our software. I don't see how it will affect diesel engines from other manufacturers, that are doing the right thing. Over the last 10-15 years we have welcomed stricter EPA rules, because we are always ahead of the game when it comes to emissions, and we generally meet regulations a year early. Every time the EPA tightens it up a little more, all we do is gain market share.
 
I guess their is a reason my 6.5 liter diesel, that doesn't even have an egr valve is a keeper.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Hey, don't throw us under the bus in this, I have very intimate knowledge of how our calibrations operate, since I have actually developed them myself, I can state with confidence that there is nothing like this in our software. I don't see how it will affect diesel engines from other manufacturers, that are doing the right thing. Over the last 10-15 years we have welcomed stricter EPA rules, because we are always ahead of the game when it comes to emissions, and we generally meet regulations a year early. Every time the EPA tightens it up a little more, all we do is gain market share.
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Yeah, but I'm not talking truck engines. These are more the small consumer engines. Large diesel engines for trucks aren't going anywhere. They're here to stay.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
We have "consumer" engines. Not as small as VW, but its not all just Heavy Duty engines anymore. http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/2016-titan/

5.0 Liters is not Heavy Duty
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Yeah, I'm mainly talking non-truck engines. But I get what you're saying.

I just think that when you have two diverging technologies, diesel and hybrids, for consumer cars and the only (truly) major player in the game massively ****s up like this, it's going to hurt the entire industry.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, I'm mainly talking non-truck engines. But I get what you're saying.

I just think that when you have two diverging technologies, diesel and hybrids, for consumer cars and the only (truly) major player in the game massively ****s up like this, it's going to hurt the entire industry.
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Its unfortunate that there isn't another manufacturer well positioned to fill the void. There's marketshare just sitting there waiting to be plucked.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Its unfortunate that there isn't another manufacturer well positioned to fill the void. There's marketshare just sitting there waiting to be plucked.
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Oddly enough, I would have said Audi, but I had no idea they were VW's luxury brand before this story broke. (I also didn't know that VW owned Porsche.) Never really looked either.

Edit: Wow, I didn't realize all of these were under the VWG:
VW
Audi
Porsche (apparently their full name is "Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG", or "Doktor Ingenieur honoris causa Ferdinand Porsche Aktiengesellschaft")
Lamborghini
Bugatti (I knew this one)
Ducati
Bentley
Skoda
MAN (never heard of them)
Scania (never heard of them)
SEAT (never heard of them)
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Oddly enough, I would have said Audi, but I had no idea they were VW's luxury brand before this story broke. (I also didn't know that VW owned Porsche.) Never really looked either.
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VW is Germany's GM. They're huge, and own a whole stable of other brand names. Many Audis are just rebranded VWs with finer interior accoutrements more powerful engines. The most common and direct example is Passat = A4. The top-of-the-line Passat is the equivalent of a lower- to mid-line A4.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Oddly enough, I would have said Audi, but I had no idea they were VW's luxury brand before this story broke. (I also didn't know that VW owned Porsche.) Never really looked either.

Edit: Wow, I didn't realize all of these were under the VWG:
VW
Audi
Porsche (apparently their full name is "Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG", or "Doktor Ingenieur honoris causa Ferdinand Porsche Aktiengesellschaft")
Lamborghini
Bugatti (I knew this one)
Ducati
Bentley
Skoda
MAN (never heard of them)
Scania (never heard of them)
SEAT (never heard of them)
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Yeah, I knew they owned those brands, they're huge. I mean, when Tata owns Range Rover, anything can happen, right? :P

The closest positioned to take that marketshare is Mercedes, but they don't have a brand that appeals to the same market that VW's TDI did. There is no "cheap" brand for Mercedes. Fiat has some possibilities, but their engines are essentially expensive boat anchors. Hell, even we have some engines that small, but I sure wouldn't sell them in a NA marketplace.
 
St. Clown said:
VW is Germany's GM. They're huge, and own a whole stable of other brand names. Many Audis are just rebranded VWs with finer interior accoutrements more powerful engines. The most common and direct example is Passat = A4. The top-of-the-line Passat is the equivalent of a lower- to mid-line A4.
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Also, the VW Touareg is often compared to the Porsche Cayenne. Same platform, lots of the same or very similar parts. Just slightly less luxury polish on the inside and 25-30k price difference.
 
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