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dxmnkd316 said:
I have less of an issue with marijuana being decriminalized.

"Hard" drugs like coke, heroin, ecstasy, meth, etc. I have serious issues with being legalized...
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I think your hard drugs list is all over the place. Heroin should be a controlled substance under any pharmaceutical regime. Coke and meth are highly destructive and should be strictly regulated -- they're not the type of drugs I have in mind when I think about a recreational drug industry. Ecstasy, from what I gather from others who have used it, is currently undergoing the same sort of opportunistic scare campaign that afflicted pot once upon a time. There's a great P. J. O'Rourke description of taking ecstasy which essentially said it's like being overcome with feelings of loving your neighbor. Inappropriate maybe (depending on your neighbor) but hardly a boogeyman.
 
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Kepler said:
If I'm reading this correctly, not only did the Liberal party win the election in Canada, but they also have a clean majority.
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Nope. As it turns out, the conservatives won a clean sweep, discovered a means to clone a human, and are sending an army of Justin Biebers over the border starting with the Northeast.
 
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Kepler said:
I think your hard drugs list is all over the place. Heroin should be a controlled substance under any pharmaceutical regime. Coke and meth are highly destructive and should be strictly regulated -- they're not the type of drugs I have in mind when I think about a recreational drug industry. Ecstasy, from what I gather from others who have used it, is currently undergoing to same sort of scare campaign that afflicted pot once upon a time. There's a great P. J. O'Rourke description of taking ecstasy which essentially said it's like being overcome with feelings of loving your neighbor. Inappropriate maybe (den=pending on your neighbor) but hardly a boogeyman.
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I knew a couple people in college who dropped X (I was usually the "babysitter" to make sure they didn't try and jump off a balcony because they thought they could fly, etc). I still don't think X should be legal, and the same with coke/meth. Much too destructive for the latter two, and very possibly too destructive (to the mind) for the former.
 
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Kepler said:
I think your hard drugs list is all over the place. Heroin should be a controlled substance under any pharmaceutical regime. Coke and meth are highly destructive and should be strictly regulated -- they're not the type of drugs I have in mind when I think about a recreational drug industry. Ecstasy, from what I gather from others who have used it, is currently undergoing the same sort of opportunistic scare campaign that afflicted pot once upon a time. There's a great P. J. O'Rourke description of taking ecstasy which essentially said it's like being overcome with feelings of loving your neighbor. Inappropriate maybe (depending on your neighbor) but hardly a boogeyman.
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All I know is MDMA actually puts "holes" in your brain. Makes it look more like an Alzheimer's patient than a normal functioning brain. ...IIRc
 
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Brenthoven said:
I knew a couple people in college who dropped X (I was usually the "babysitter" to make sure they didn't try and jump off a balcony because they thought they could fly, etc). I still don't think X should be legal, and the same with coke/meth. Much too destructive for the latter two, and very possibly too destructive (to the mind) for the former.
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I used to babysit friends on acid trips back in the 80's. My observation is it just makes people boring, not enlightened. But these were engineers, so maybe it's just an amplifier.
 
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Kepler said:
Well, if true that would change my opinion, yes.
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Yeah, heavy emphasis on the "if true" part. Because this is only what I remember from some source I can't even remember. I do remember seeing brain scans, but I have no idea if this is one of those internally created memories.

I do know for a fact that I knew one of the smartest guys I knew growing up ended melting his brain on the stuff. Of course, all the standard caveats apply. Anecdotal, don't know his usage pattern both long term and short term, etc.
 
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Kepler said:
I used to babysit friends on acid trips back in the 80's. My observation is it just makes people boring, not enlightened. But these were engineers, so maybe it's just an amplifier.
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It very much is an amplifier. One of the guys was a tinfoil hat wearer, so to speak, and he would become extremely paranoid of anyone he didn't know really well. Another girl painted/drew as a hobby, and she created some bizarre stuff while tripping. She went full creative mode. I was told back then that I would probably be hilarious and beyond creative if I dropped the 'cid. I passed. Wanted nothing to do with it.

While I think this is more urban legend than actual science, the old "whiskey is an amplifier, usually for anger" also comes to mind.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Attitudes towards alcohol have changed greatly, IMO, though. It is definitely not socially acceptable to have a few drinks and drive, whereas only a couple decades ago, it was no big deal.
Marijuana attitudes are slowly changing, but I think that will be a slower change because it's actually labeled a "drug" by society.

While it is not my thing, I'm for the legalization of marijuana, as long as it's regulated/etc similar to alcohol. It's probably "better" (for lack of a better term) for you than cigarettes, too, all things being considered.
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And it's odd that religious conservatives oppose drug use; it's the only way I know of to see God.
 
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Kepler said:
I think your hard drugs list is all over the place. Heroin should be a controlled substance under any pharmaceutical regime. Coke and meth are highly destructive and should be strictly regulated -- they're not the type of drugs I have in mind when I think about a recreational drug industry. Ecstasy, from what I gather from others who have used it, is currently undergoing the same sort of opportunistic scare campaign that afflicted pot once upon a time. There's a great P. J. O'Rourke description of taking ecstasy which essentially said it's like being overcome with feelings of loving your neighbor. Inappropriate maybe (depending on your neighbor) but hardly a boogeyman.
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A doctor put coke up my nose as a local anesthesia when I had to have the bridge reset back in 2005 after busting it into three pieces. I felt absolutely no pain with the coke and I was high as a giraffe's a** for a few hours. The come down was pretty horrible, though, and it's the only time I've ever had it. It's a schedule II pharmaceutical, carried in most hospital pharmacies, though I doubt your local Walgreen's or CVS would stock it.
 
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St. Clown said:
A doctor put coke up my nose as a local anesthesia when I had to have the bridge reset back in 2005 after busting it into three pieces. I felt absolutely no pain with the coke and I was high as a giraffe's a** for a few hours. The come down was pretty horrible, though, and it's the only time I've ever had it. It's a schedule II pharmaceutical, carried in most hospital pharmacies, though I doubt your local Walgreen's or CVS would stock it.
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This is the first I've ever heard of that being used by a physician in present-day society. Huh.

ETA: I'd tell the dentist, "No thanks" to the coke. I would prefer Novocaine. Any reason he or she went the coke route over something else?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
This is the first I've ever heard of that being used by a physician in present-day society. Huh.
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The doctor smiled at me when he wrote the script, then said I was going to enjoy it. There were very tight controls on how the prescription gets written, in that I dropped off the script when I had my consult visit, but couldn't pickup the vial until the day of my procedure.

I'm not really a drug user, seldom drink to get drunk even, but I didn't bother telling him that because I figured he was giving it to me for a reason. The come down just isn't worth it. I thought my heart was going to explode.
 
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St. Clown said:
The doctor smiled at me when he wrote the script, then said I was going to enjoy it. There were very tight controls on how the prescription gets written, in that I dropped off the script when I had my consult visit, but couldn't pickup the vial until the day of my procedure.

I'm not really a drug user, seldom drink to get drunk even, but I didn't bother telling him that because I figured he was giving it to me for a reason. The come down just isn't worth it. I thought my heart was going to explode.
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and you just got a small amount as a topical application. When you snort cocaine, you absorb much larger amounts through mucous membranes in your sinus for a more systematic affect.

Crazy that technically, under federal law, marijuana has no medicinal use, and can't even be researched but cocaine has recognized legal uses. We have researchers here that study addiction, they have no problem purchasing cocaine using federal funding (which they then give to lab mice). Something they could never do with marijuana.
 
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St. Clown said:
A doctor put coke up my nose as a local anesthesia when I had to have the bridge reset back in 2005 after busting it into three pieces. I felt absolutely no pain with the coke and I was high as a giraffe's a** for a few hours. The come down was pretty horrible, though, and it's the only time I've ever had it. It's a schedule II pharmaceutical, carried in most hospital pharmacies, though I doubt your local Walgreen's or CVS would stock it.
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Many moons ago, when I worked at MGH, Mass Eye & Ear (adjoining but separate) used tincture of cocaine for nasal problems, including nosebleeds, IIRC.
 
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Cocaine is used mostly in the pediatrics side of ENT (ear nose and throat). It works great, has a short half life, and is relatively side effect free. MDMA can "make holes in the brain" but it is largely dangerous due to large swing of neurotransmitters...but that certainly is not exclusive to MDMA.
 
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