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Mayor of Boston just said they aren't going to keep anyone back unless parents request it. They are just going to work it out some how. Yeah. How many of the kids that are in trouble have parents who are going to advocate- I am betting a lot of them are just trying to make it to the next day
 
Obvious.

My prediction: the smart kids get smarter and more independent and develop better habits, the dumb kids stay dumb and develop bigger tummies.

Also that this will correlate with parenting which follows the smart/dumb curve.


I’ve got to say my son has been great through all this. He is 11 and is 6th grade and knows his daily schedule and is pretty much fully independent. He knows when he has to sign in for live class time and when he should be working independently on his assignments. He’s keeping up with his private violin lessons using zoom, and even though he is in the advanced math group in his grade we have a private math tutor he Skypes with once a week (usually to introduce things that are beyond what is being taught in his grade)
 
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I’ve got to say my son has been great through all this. He is 11 and is 6th grade and knows his daily schedule and is pretty much fully independent. He knows when he has to sign in for live class time and when he should be working independently on his assignments. He’s keeping up with his private violin lessons using zoom, and even though he is in the advanced math group in his grade we have a private math tutor he Skypes with once a week (usually to introduce things that are beyond what is being taught in his grade)

Like I said, the smart will thrive, the rest will sink. But the rest weren't going anywhere anyway.
 
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Like I said, the smart will thrive, the rest will sink. But the rest weren't going anywhere anyway.

I would say the disciplined will thrive. They won't all be A students. This is not a knock on the C students. Those students will learn that hard work will pay off in the long run, you know? The ones that look at this as a sort of free pass and they can do the minimum and not worry about it...those are the ones that will fail in adult life.
 
Like I said, the smart will thrive, the rest will sink. But the rest weren't going anywhere anyway.

I know one guy — single dad, Libertarian type was “grooming his kids to be independent and self sufficient”. Turns out that means they do whatever they want and a couple weeks into this he said **** it and gave up on trying to make them keep up. One of his friends tore him a new ******* over it but I don’t know if he smartened up
 
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I would say the disciplined will thrive. They won't all be A students.

There is significant overlap but no more than 20% of the A students are smart kids, and no more than 80% of the smart kids are A students.

Even within the honors classes there were kids acing exams who the smart kids knew were just test takers. If you quizzed them on book material they were great but if you went off at an oblique angle on them they drowned.

Far less frequent, there were smart kids who just were not going to put up with school. Don't get me wrong, 99% of the kids who thought they were too smart for school were imbeciles*, but then there would be that one who you could see was already building cathedrals in his** head.

* You been tellin' me you're a genius since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand


** The misfit misanthrope smart kids who wipe out of school are always boys for whatever reason. Maybe because the misfit misanthrope girls are also socially smart enough to make it work for them.
 
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The rich kids with their tutors and SAT prep will ace all their exams. That doesn't mean they'll be developing anything useful towards becoming a human being. Let's say 10% of the population ever raises its head above the feeding trough long enough to contemplate a sunset. That 10% are the smart kids; the rest will be steerage: businessmen, realtors, corporate attorneys, office slaves, inchoate muscle.

Of the smart kids, 25% are from the top third of wealth, 10% are from the bottom third. The creative realization of intellect comes from the middle class, bless their granite countertop hearts. Now the vast majority of the middle class are bovine, but for all the sh-t it takes as a class from my Left brethren (and my elitist brethren), it's where the next Sartre and Nussbaum are coming from.

The bourgeoisie will inherit the Earth. Marx missed it by this much.
 
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The rich kids with their tutors and SAT prep will ace all their exams. That doesn't mean they'll be developing anything useful towards becoming a human being. Let's say 10% of the population ever raises its head above the feeding trough long enough to contemplate a sunset. Of those, maybe 20% are from the top 33% of wealth, and another 10% are from the bottom 10%. Civilization comes from the middle class, bless their granite countertop hearts.

There is remembering, and then there is learning.
 
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There is significant overlap but no more than 20% of the A students are smart kids, and no more than 80% of the smart kids are A students.

Even within the honors classes there were kids acing exams who the smart kids knew were just test takers. If you quizzed them on book material they were great but if you went off at an oblique angle on them they drowned.

Far less frequent, there were smart kids who just were not going to put up with school. Don't get me wrong, 99% of the kids who thought they were too smart for school were imbeciles*, but then there would be that one who you could see was already building cathedrals in his** head.

* You been tellin' me you're a genius since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand


** The misfit misanthrope smart kids are always boys for whatever reason. Maybe because the misfit misanthrope girls are also socially smart enough to make it work.
I was an AP kid. Took the tests, jumped through the hoops. Meh. Thankfully I found that out before I fully dove into the pool of white collar. I'd have hanged myself by now (virtually, I'd never literally take that route). I learned what "real" learning was, found my path, and followed it.
 
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I was an AP kid. Took the tests, jumped through the hoops. Meh. Thankfully I found that out before I fully dove into the pool of white collar. I'd have hanged myself by now (virtually, I'd never literally take that route). I learned what "real" learning was, found my path, and followed it.

I was well on my way to being a lawyer before I figured it out. Some of us are just smart enough to catch on right before we're smashed on the rocks below. I raise a glass to a fellow survivor. Na zdravi!
 
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I was well on my way to being a lawyer before I figured it out. Some of us are just smart enough to catch on right before we're smashed on the rocks below. I raise a glass to a fellow survivor. Na zdravi!

Slainte!

"Just" smart enough is indeed the right term. Intelligence just depends on the parameters. The best cops in the world? They think in a certain way. Same with the best criminals. Or sports agents. Or lawyers. The different mindsets are truly amazing.
 
I was well on my way to being a lawyer before I figured it out. Some of us are just smart enough to catch on right before we're smashed on the rocks below. I raise a glass to a fellow survivor. Na zdravi!

Do you ever wonder if you could have had a bigger impact improving society if you’d have stayed the original course rather than working for military contractors, or whatever you do?
 
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Do you ever wonder if you could have had a bigger impact improving society if you’d have stayed the original course rather than working for military contractors, or whatever you do?

Cog in the machine, I'm guessing. No insult to Kep. Just the way the world works.
 
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There is remembering, and then there is learning.

I would say it's there are wind-up toys and there are self-guiding missiles. The rote memory / think for yourself distinction comes earlier -- it separates the bottom 70% from the top 30%. That gets you your honors students. They can all think for themselves. But. Can they extrapolate and see the working of thinking itself?

Example:

Read any poem by Yeats and try not to think about his antisemitism. FFS, Yeats, srsly? Anyway.

The dummies won't be able to handle it at all. They'll either try to eat the book or light it on fire to impress another dummy. We have now discarded 50% of the population of the average high school. MAGA!

The mediocre kids will be able to remember the poem is by Yeats, and that he uses irony here, metonymy here, antistrophe here, and synecdoche (which I always have to look up -- it's referring to a part by its whole or vice versa. That's right!) here, because the teacher said so. Put them aside, we're down to the 30% in honors.

The honors kids will be able to identify irony, metonymy, antistrophe, and synecdoche in a different poem, even in an extremely different form, because they now understand the definition of these terms. This is where the kids jump from "remembering" to "learning." That's what I mean by wind up toys -- these are the kids who are commonly referred to as bright. What they are is coherent with the community standard of intellect. They are good doggies. Send them off the college. We're down to 10%.

Now it gets interesting. The 10% can do everything the other 90% can (these are aggregating categories) but they can also identify brand new techniques and tricks that a poet uses without ever being told about them. They can't name them of course because names are arbitrary pointers. But they can "see" the constellation of intent, poise, style unfolding from the words. These are the smart kids. They get beat up a lot. Salieri is the ur-smart kid. C'est moi, c'est moi, tis I.

And then there are the 0.01% who can do all this and also create utterly new things. They can make new meta-patterns where none existed. These I will call geniuses. I've met maybe a dozen because I have been very, very fortunate in who I've gotten to hang around with. 1 in 10,000 seems about right to me but nobody knows. More in NY, fewer in MS. These are the Mozarts. And of course our culture, like all cultures before, leaves 99% of them to die destitute and be laid (lain? I forget) in a potter's field or, worse, work 9-5 at an insurance company.
 
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Do you ever wonder if you could have had a bigger impact improving society if you’d have stayed the original course rather than working for military contractors, or whatever you do?

Only every second.

No joke: my positive impact on the world consists of two things. Micro: I helped raise and nurture a wonderful human being who now goes out into the world and makes it better just by being. Before I met her Dr. Mrs. gave birth to a f-cking sunbeam and I helped her become an adult human being. Macro: I am Dr. Mrs' helpmate, emotional support, and sounding board. She really does have an impact. For example, every work day for the last 3 years she has been laboring hard to make sure that both government and the private sector face strong resistance whenever they try to intrude upon your privacy and/or civil liberties. She's a actual f-cking hero both in the immediate fight against Nazism and in the endless battle to keep bailing out our little democratic dingy so it isn't overwhelmed by the rough seas of tyranny, both state and corporate.

But I have never been able to marry employment to anything worthwhile, and that makes me personally a failure as a job holder. Yes, I am aware of this every minute. It is my cowardice and lack of imagination.

My original original course was academia: leaving that is my only regret in life that doesn't involve Dwight Gooden in some fashion. I've never for a second regretted leaving law school. I'd be a corpse by now. I am exactly that guy you hear about who bills 3200 hours and walks in front of a subway train one night. Although I'd probably just have been at Cantor Fitzgerald that morning.
 
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Only every second.

No joke: my positive impact on the world consists of two things. Micro: I helped raise and nurture a wonderful human being who now goes out into the world and makes it better just by being. Before I met her Dr. Mrs. gave birth to a f-cking sunbeam and I helped her become an adult human being. Macro: I am Dr. Mrs' helpmate, emotional support, and sounding board. She really does have an impact. For example, every work day for the last 3 years she has been laboring hard to make sure that both government and the private sector face strong resistance whenever they try to intrude upon your privacy and/or civil liberties. She's a actual f-cking hero both in the immediate fight against Nazism and in the endless battle to keep bailing out our little democratic dingy so it isn't overwhelmed by the rough seas of tyranny, both state and corporate.

But I have never been able to marry employment to anything worthwhile, and that makes me personally a failure as a job holder. Yes, I am aware of this every minute. It is my cowardice and lack of imagination.

That's not cowardice. That is contributing in the way that you can contribute. Using the best of your talents AND still maintaining personal balance. COULD you do more? Maybe. But at what cost?
 
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Cog in the machine, I'm guessing. No insult to Kep. Just the way the world works.

Not even a cog. Whatever those tiny teeth on a verge escapement are called.

(They're probably called "cogs." :) )
 
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That's not cowardice. That is contributing in the way that you can contribute. Using the best of your talents AND still maintaining personal balance. COULD you do more? Maybe. But at what cost?

It's embarrassing. Every day without a MacArthur fellowship* is another day of failing. Ever get the feeling you missed a turn?

Anyway, I am long past the days of wanting to gorge out (thanks, Dr. Mrs.) and not quite as long past the days of self-medicating to make it sleep for a while (thanks, me) so, as you say, it could be worse.

* Perhaps a different list? No, I still seem to have been overlooked.
 
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