mnstate0fhockey
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In the Twin Cities? Perhaps you should nominate that for Common's most preposterous statement of the year award because that's just silly.
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Has UND lost in conference realignment?
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In the Twin Cities? Perhaps you should nominate that for Common's most preposterous statement of the year award because that's just silly.
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
CC's point in doing so was to claim that UND has a more significant following than MN. Are you seriously taking up that debate?
CC's point in doing so was to claim that UND has a more significant following than MN. Are you seriously taking up that debate?
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
I'm a silly guy in a very serious place.
I'm a silly guy in a very serious place.
mnstate0fhockey
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Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
I think I already took up that debate in my post, Sport. Unless there are 800,000 people watching Gopher games I am not seeing the significance of their following. School me.
mnstate0fhockey
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Likewise, we're not seeing the significance of selling to an average of 97% capacity of a 10,000 seat arena when our program has the most viewership and generates the most revenue.
mnstate0fhockey
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Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
Back to the comment that started this Tipsy...
- How is the UMN supposed to sell more than 10,000 tickets when that is Mariucci's capacity?
- Why should we care that they sell more tickets when we have more TV viewership and generate more revenue?
I'm just trying to understand why we should feel insulted here.
Back to the comment that started this Tipsy...
- How is the UMN supposed to sell more than 10,000 tickets when that is Mariucci's capacity?
- Why should we care that they sell more tickets when we have more TV viewership and generate more revenue?
I'm just trying to understand why we should feel insulted here.
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
Over and over and over again some gopher fans act out their desperate need to have the program considered "the best." Fans that did not play hockey for the gophers and may not even have attended UMinn. Brings to mind Hamlet's words, "What's Hecuba to him or he to Hecuba."
Over and over and over again some gopher fans act out their desperate need to have the program considered "the best." Fans that did not play hockey for the gophers and may not even have attended UMinn. Brings to mind Hamlet's words, "What's Hecuba to him or he to Hecuba."
mnstate0fhockey
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Who said anything about needing to be the best? I'm just trying to understand how we're supposed to sell 12,000+ tickets to a game in an arena with a capacity of only 10,000, or why we should even care if we sell more tickets than UND? So that we can make even more money than UND annually? Big Ten is helping us do that
CC made the statement, we're just trying to understand it. Strike that, we're making fun of it
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
Also, you can't really count the fans attending Whioux games as one whole person, more like 1/4 or a 1/2 of a person at best.
So we are talking anywhere from 3000 - 6000 in attendance depending on brain cell loss.
Also, you can't really count the fans attending Whioux games as one whole person, more like 1/4 or a 1/2 of a person at best.
So we are talking anywhere from 3000 - 6000 in attendance depending on brain cell loss.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
The average television viewer is worth $.10 per hour to advertisers. (http://fatknowledge.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-much-is-my-tv-advertising-watching.html) The average hockey game is 2.5 hours. That equates to $.25 per viewer per game. It was a big story last year when the Wild drew 132,000 viewers for their season opener against the Blackhawks. That shattered their previous record of around 80,000 viewers. Those are record numbers. Let's assume their average numbers are about half of that, which is 40,000 viewers. So if the Wild average around 40,000 viewers, how many do you think the Gophers average? Maybe half of that if they are lucky? So let's say 20,000 viewers. If each viewer is worth $.25, then the average Gopher game brings in $5,000 in advertising for FSN. I think all of these numbers are generous estimates.
Looking at the website, tickets at the Ralph are $45. If UND sells an average of 11,600 tickets per game at $45 per ticket that is $522,000 in ticket revenue. Tickets for the Gophers are $35 and if they average 10,000 tickets per game their revenue is $350,000. That is a difference of $172,000 per game. Which dwarfs the TV revenue that the Gophers could possibly be bringing in. So please tell me how the Gophers could possibly be bringing in more money than North Dakota, because I don't see any way that is possible looking at the ticket revenue.
You keep bringing up viewership. Why? What does that translate to?
The average television viewer is worth $.10 per hour to advertisers. (http://fatknowledge.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-much-is-my-tv-advertising-watching.html) The average hockey game is 2.5 hours. That equates to $.25 per viewer per game. It was a big story last year when the Wild drew 132,000 viewers for their season opener against the Blackhawks. That shattered their previous record of around 80,000 viewers. Those are record numbers. Let's assume their average numbers are about half of that, which is 40,000 viewers. So if the Wild average around 40,000 viewers, how many do you think the Gophers average? Maybe half of that if they are lucky? So let's say 20,000 viewers. If each viewer is worth $.25, then the average Gopher game brings in $5,000 in advertising for FSN. I think all of these numbers are generous estimates.
Looking at the website, tickets at the Ralph are $45. If UND sells an average of 11,600 tickets per game at $45 per ticket that is $522,000 in ticket revenue. Tickets for the Gophers are $35 and if they average 10,000 tickets per game their revenue is $350,000. That is a difference of $172,000 per game. Which dwarfs the TV revenue that the Gophers could possibly be bringing in. So please tell me how the Gophers could possibly be bringing in more money than North Dakota, because I don't see any way that is possible looking at the ticket revenue.
mnstate0fhockey
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Fans, it translates to the number of fans. Did you even read CC's post?
Didn't bother reading the rest as I am not trying to calculate the value of a viewer versus a ticket holder. I could care less.
Again, how do you suggest we fit 12,000+ fans into an arena with a 10,000 fan capacity and why should we care that UND draws more game attendance? That's the discussion and is what we should allegedly be ashamed of.
Slap Shot
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Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
I don't really care to get into the entire mix of this b.s., but does UND also have preferred license costs on top of the actual ticket price? On that end the actual per ticket price goes up for many UM tickets.
Not speaking to the rest of this pointless argument btw, just curious.
I don't really care to get into the entire mix of this b.s., but does UND also have preferred license costs on top of the actual ticket price? On that end the actual per ticket price goes up for many UM tickets.
Not speaking to the rest of this pointless argument btw, just curious.
mnstate0fhockey
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Really though, it's irrelevant. Mariucci only has a capacity of 10,000. It's stupid to compare attendance levels (like below).
You're right though, it's a dumb argument.
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
I'm pretty sure they have some huge donation levels.
Dirty
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Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
Yes. It's between $100 and $10000 depending on the level.
You know any argument is stupid when even I refuse to get involved in it. Although it is sort of amusing that a Minnesota and SCSU fan are getting into an argument over UND.
Yes. It's between $100 and $10000 depending on the level.
You know any argument is stupid when even I refuse to get involved in it. Although it is sort of amusing that a Minnesota and SCSU fan are getting into an argument over UND.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
All good. Like I said it reads like a, "my daddy is bigger than your daddy" argument regardless of which programs has higher per ave costs per ticket. UND has a great program, a great following and imho requires zero justification.
All good. Like I said it reads like a, "my daddy is bigger than your daddy" argument regardless of which programs has higher per ave costs per ticket. UND has a great program, a great following and imho requires zero justification.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
Yes, I read his post. UND sells out their arena. The Gophers don't. What about what he said was incorrect? You don't know how many people are watching. For either fanbase. So how do you figure there are more fans? Even if we assume they do have more viewers, what does that get them?
You are resorting to your old trick of moving the goalposts. Here is your first foray into this discussion:
You started the revenue ****ing match. In fact you brought it up multiple times. "There is good reason UMN leads the NCAA in revenue annually, regardless of attendance." So what is the reason? Because the money that they are getting from their TV deal is insignificant when you compare it to the ticket revenue each team brings in.
Yes, I read his post. UND sells out their arena. The Gophers don't. What about what he said was incorrect? You don't know how many people are watching. For either fanbase. So how do you figure there are more fans? Even if we assume they do have more viewers, what does that get them?
You are resorting to your old trick of moving the goalposts. Here is your first foray into this discussion:
You started the revenue ****ing match. In fact you brought it up multiple times. "There is good reason UMN leads the NCAA in revenue annually, regardless of attendance." So what is the reason? Because the money that they are getting from their TV deal is insignificant when you compare it to the ticket revenue each team brings in.
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
inb4 Freddy Meyer is a hack
Now that you're in the big league now, why don't you build a bigger arena?
This thread is vapid.
/thread
inb4 Freddy Meyer is a hack
Now that you're in the big league now, why don't you build a bigger arena?
This thread is vapid.
/thread
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?
I guess my strategy going into this was to get JDUBBS II to consider that there are other programs on the level of the Gophers. I guess I haven't learned my lesson yet.