Most of those who were drafted were not first or second-round picks. As such, I don't place much stock in the number of players who were drafted. Yes, it's an honor but not a lock for college hockey program success.
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Harvard Crimson 2022-2023
- Thread starter Veritas
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Most of those who were drafted were not first or second-round picks. As such, I don't place much stock in the number of players who were drafted. Yes, it's an honor but not a lock for college hockey program success.
ICECAT1811
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Most of those who were drafted were not first or second-round picks. As such, I don't place much stock in the number of players who were drafted. Yes, it's an honor but not a lock for college hockey program success.
Good point……if the rosters with the most NHL draft picks lead to NCAA titles…..Minnesota, BU or North Dakota would win every year
Good point……if the rosters with the most NHL draft picks lead to NCAA titles…..Minnesota, BU or North Dakota would win every year
You could add Michigan or BC to that list as well. Most of the high end kids like Matty Beniers never stay more than one or two years so continuity in roster building takes a hit.
Harvard losing to BU tonight was 100% the right outcome. BU probably should have won this game by 2 or 3 goals.
a couple of thoughts:
- Gibson was tremendous. Kept Harvard in the game for the first 2 periods.
- Harvard D was atrocious. Sat back, created no cohesion with forwards, were satisfied with poke checks as opposed to playing body or moving feet, allowed BU to take and establish the offensive zone at will. Let’s hope this was the Xmas malaise
- Harvard could have stolen a point and I think they would have had donato not played the same 3 players at the end of OT who were clearly gassed. Farrell had nothing left to give
- Harvard really misses Farinacci. Karpa has not progressed as I thought he would this year thus far, and I assume Farinacci slides into the 2C role when he returns and hopefully Karpa can put some mojo into that 3rd line
- Harvard depth is really an issue. Farinacci will help, but the 3rd and 4th lines are really struggling to generate anything. Upper echelon teams have at least 3 lines and this is a real challenge for Harvard right now. I almost wonder if donato should mix up both lines.
onto northeastern who is really struggling.
a couple of thoughts:
- Gibson was tremendous. Kept Harvard in the game for the first 2 periods.
- Harvard D was atrocious. Sat back, created no cohesion with forwards, were satisfied with poke checks as opposed to playing body or moving feet, allowed BU to take and establish the offensive zone at will. Let’s hope this was the Xmas malaise
- Harvard could have stolen a point and I think they would have had donato not played the same 3 players at the end of OT who were clearly gassed. Farrell had nothing left to give
- Harvard really misses Farinacci. Karpa has not progressed as I thought he would this year thus far, and I assume Farinacci slides into the 2C role when he returns and hopefully Karpa can put some mojo into that 3rd line
- Harvard depth is really an issue. Farinacci will help, but the 3rd and 4th lines are really struggling to generate anything. Upper echelon teams have at least 3 lines and this is a real challenge for Harvard right now. I almost wonder if donato should mix up both lines.
onto northeastern who is really struggling.
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The Princeton game was "exciting" in the way that a goalie out of position dives back into position to make a save. In all seriousness, Princeton was outmanned but forechecked really well for 40 minutes and then sat back a little too much at the end. In particular, they completely neutralized the third and fourth lines. Princeton might have had 5 or 6 goals after 2 given the good chances they had. They just don't seem to have the skill level of a Harvard or Michigan to convert (and Gibson made some good saves to boot). The Harvard D made a lot of transition mistakes leading to good chances. Continuous backwards passes in 3 on 3 might be OK but in 5 on 5 it gets a little too predictable and you get the equivalent of a pick 6. It was like the players have been watching a little too much World Cup and NHL 3 on 3.
That said, the last 10 minutes and the OT were about as exciting as it gets. Harvard scored 4, 5 including the one waved off. The skill players showed up at the end. Given the effort level required last night, they may end up a little flat tonight against the Q.
Question for the forum: when if ever were there two shorthanded goals on one penalty in the ECAC? This was completely crazy.
That said, the last 10 minutes and the OT were about as exciting as it gets. Harvard scored 4, 5 including the one waved off. The skill players showed up at the end. Given the effort level required last night, they may end up a little flat tonight against the Q.
Question for the forum: when if ever were there two shorthanded goals on one penalty in the ECAC? This was completely crazy.
Solid win against northeastern. Like the switches, though not sure of performance driven or injury driven.
I hope donato employs a sit if do not perform orientation. Karpa and Aucoin did not dress today. Like the line changes. Princeton and Quincy await!
Karpa and Aucoin are both injured. That and not having Farinacci is really testing their depth. The second line is hurting without Farinacci.
The Princeton game was "exciting" in the way that a goalie out of position dives back into position to make a save. In all seriousness, Princeton was outmanned but forechecked really well for 40 minutes and then sat back a little too much at the end. In particular, they completely neutralized the third and fourth lines. Princeton might have had 5 or 6 goals after 2 given the good chances they had. They just don't seem to have the skill level of a Harvard or Michigan to convert (and Gibson made some good saves to boot). The Harvard D made a lot of transition mistakes leading to good chances. Continuous backwards passes in 3 on 3 might be OK but in 5 on 5 it gets a little too predictable and you get the equivalent of a pick 6. It was like the players have been watching a little too much World Cup and NHL 3 on 3.
That said, the last 10 minutes and the OT were about as exciting as it gets. Harvard scored 4, 5 including the one waved off. The skill players showed up at the end. Given the effort level required last night, they may end up a little flat tonight against the Q.
Question for the forum: when if ever were there two shorthanded goals on one penalty in the ECAC? This was completely crazy.
In answer to your question, I believe Harvard scored two shorties against Dartmouth during the 88-'89 season prior to Christmas. The game was at Bright, and CJ Young scored one of them. Can't remember who got the other one.
Last night's game was a classic trap game in that the Crimson most likely were thinking about Quinnipiac and took the Tigers lightly. It almost cost them big time. The team has been relying too much on the first line and the bottom six forwards aren't producing, which will wear out their skill players before long. Depth is being tested because of injuries. And the power play has gone south. Putting two Ds on the PP just doesn't work. Siedem is not that skilled offensively and Farrell does a much better job running the show from the point. Not sure why the coaching staff is messing around with the combos.
And they desperately need someone to coach up the D. They have been giving up too many odd-man chances and close-in looks. The Bobcats will make them pay if they play that way tonight.
After 2 periods, I almost turned off the TV. It was about as bad a 2 periods from Harvard in some time. No forecheck, no cohesion, sloppy passing, and Princeton won nearly all of the puck battles.
Harvard woke up with about 10 mins to go in the 3rd and the talent disparity finally became evident. But make no mistake about it, Princeton was the better team for 2.5 periods.
Quinny will win by 4-5 goals with a repeat performance tonight. I also worry that donato shortened the bench so much in the 3rd (did 4th live see more than 1 shift?) that guys will be tired tonight. The injuries are not ideal and we have not even seen Farinacci yet this year. The bottom 2 lines are in complete shambles and donato mixed and matched laferriere and Miller on 1st and 2nd line last night.
Harvard woke up with about 10 mins to go in the 3rd and the talent disparity finally became evident. But make no mistake about it, Princeton was the better team for 2.5 periods.
Quinny will win by 4-5 goals with a repeat performance tonight. I also worry that donato shortened the bench so much in the 3rd (did 4th live see more than 1 shift?) that guys will be tired tonight. The injuries are not ideal and we have not even seen Farinacci yet this year. The bottom 2 lines are in complete shambles and donato mixed and matched laferriere and Miller on 1st and 2nd line last night.
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Lynah Rink
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Lol, that’s funny. Playing defense = playing not to lose? Maybe Teddy should teach his players to play defense and then they’d finally play to the level of their talent (15 draft picks, most in the country). Cornell badly outplayed Harvard in the second period and should have blown the game open, but failed to bury numerous grade-A opportunities. The first period was even. Yet you only mention the third period, when Harvard did outplay Cornell, and the OT, when Cornell (in its first 3x3 OT of the season) totally botched its positioning thirty seconds into the OT and let Harvard skate in on a clean 2x0.Good win last night at Lynah. As the game wore on, the skill and speed of Harvard was undeniable. Cornell had 1 SOG in 3rd and were completely outclassed once the OT started with more space. You have to wonder when Cornell will start to recruit more speed and skill?
Let’s hope for no letdown against Colgate
Cornell outshot Harvard 24-21 in regulation and easily could have won, and yet in the eyes of the posters on this forum, they were terribly outplayed and terribly outclassed. Moreover, the apparent implication is that Cornell’s strategy was cheap because they didn’t afford Harvard’s 15 draft picks infinite time and space to do whatever they wanted. Good grief. Imagine what Schafer would accomplish if he had Harvard’s level of talent.
[this message is supposed to be quoting both bothman and Skate79, but that doesn’t seem to function on my phone.]
After 2 periods, I almost turned off the TV. It was about as bad a 2 periods from Harvard in some time. No forecheck, no cohesion, sloppy passing, and Princeton won nearly all of the puck battles.
Harvard woke up with about 10 mins to go in the 3rd and the talent disparity finally became evident. But make no mistake about it, Princeton was the better team for 2.5 periods.
Quinny will win by 4-5 goals with a repeat performance tonight. I also worry that donato shortened the bench so much in the 3rd (did 4th live see more than 1 shift?) that guys will be tired tonight. The injuries are not ideal and we have not even seen Farinacci yet this year. The bottom 2 lines are in complete shambles and donato mixed and matched laferriere and Miller on 1st and 2nd line last night.
They just went with 2 sets of 3 in the OT. They were struggling to make the changes . . . some of the shifts were quite long. Coronato looked really winded (an observation not a criticism given his ice time to that point) while Thrun looked good for another 60 minutes. Miller was a real bright spot at Princeton. He is stepping into the injury void and developing nicely. The PK shamble is entirely on Harvard but on PP Princeton deserves a lot of credit for shutting things down. They slowed down the Harvard movement, made some nice blocks, and took advantage of their shorthanded chances (obviously).
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The Princeton game was "exciting" in the way that a goalie out of position dives back into position to make a save. In all seriousness, Princeton was outmanned but forechecked really well for 40 minutes and then sat back a little too much at the end. In particular, they completely neutralized the third and fourth lines. Princeton might have had 5 or 6 goals after 2 given the good chances they had. They just don't seem to have the skill level of a Harvard or Michigan to convert (and Gibson made some good saves to boot). The Harvard D made a lot of transition mistakes leading to good chances. Continuous backwards passes in 3 on 3 might be OK but in 5 on 5 it gets a little too predictable and you get the equivalent of a pick 6. It was like the players have been watching a little too much World Cup and NHL 3 on 3.
That said, the last 10 minutes and the OT were about as exciting as it gets. Harvard scored 4, 5 including the one waved off. The skill players showed up at the end. Given the effort level required last night, they may end up a little flat tonight against the Q.
Question for the forum: when if ever were there two shorthanded goals on one penalty in the ECAC? This was completely crazy.
Back in a 2003 ECAC playoff game at Union, RPI’s Ben Barr (now the Head Coach at Maine) had both shorthanded goals within 50 seconds of each other.
Lol, that’s funny. Playing defense = playing not to lose? Maybe Teddy should teach his players to play defense and then they’d finally play to the level of their talent (15 draft picks, most in the country). Cornell badly outplayed Harvard in the second period and should have blown the game open, but failed to bury numerous grade-A opportunities. The first period was even. Yet you only mention the third period, when Harvard did outplay Cornell, and the OT, when Cornell (in its first 3x3 OT of the season) totally botched its positioning thirty seconds into the OT and let Harvard skate in on a clean 2x0.
Cornell outshot Harvard 24-21 in regulation and easily could have won, and yet in the eyes of the posters on this forum, they were terribly outplayed and terribly outclassed. Moreover, the apparent implication is that Cornell’s strategy was cheap because they didn’t afford Harvard’s 15 draft picks infinite time and space to do whatever they wanted. Good grief. Imagine what Schafer would accomplish if he had Harvard’s level of talent.
[this message is supposed to be quoting both bothman and Skate79, but that doesn’t seem to function on my phone.]
Guy comes to the board 5 weeks after the game is played to air his gripes.... Can you say Stage 5 Clinger? Jeesh!
Back in a 2003 ECAC playoff game at Union, RPI’s Ben Barr (now the Head Coach at Maine) had both shorthanded goals within 50 seconds of each other.
This is from Wikipedia:
"In the 1988–89 season, Young joined with Lane MacDonald and Allen Bourbeau to form what became known as the "line of fire" as the trio led Harvard offensively.[SUP][8][/SUP] Young was among the team leaders in goal scoring with 33 in all competitions,[SUP][9][/SUP] and was named to the East Coast Athletic Conference (ECAC) second all-star team.[SUP][3][/SUP] On December 12, 1988, Young set an NCAA record for the fastest hat trick by scoring three goals in 49 seconds – all shorthanded.[SUP][10][/SUP] The Crimson reached the 1989 Frozen Four tournament where they defeated the Minnesota Golden Gophers in the national championship final, 4–3 in overtime, to claim Harvard's first hockey championship, and the first national team championship in the school's history.[SUP][8]"[/SUP]
Guy comes to the board 5 weeks after the game is played to air his gripes.... Can you say Stage 5 Clinger? Jeesh!
Don't worry Bothman. He's just frustrated because Cornell can't put the puck in the ocean. Tough to be jealous of real talent.
After 2 periods, I almost turned off the TV. It was about as bad a 2 periods from Harvard in some time. No forecheck, no cohesion, sloppy passing, and Princeton won nearly all of the puck battles.
Harvard woke up with about 10 mins to go in the 3rd and the talent disparity finally became evident. But make no mistake about it, Princeton was the better team for 2.5 periods.
Quinny will win by 4-5 goals with a repeat performance tonight. I also worry that donato shortened the bench so much in the 3rd (did 4th live see more than 1 shift?) that guys will be tired tonight. The injuries are not ideal and we have not even seen Farinacci yet this year. The bottom 2 lines are in complete shambles and donato mixed and matched laferriere and Miller on 1st and 2nd line last night.
Teddy is panicking when he doesn't have to. He has enough talent to win most of these games. Yet the coaching staff seems to be either overthinking it or messing with combinations that don't need to be messed with. It would be one thing if they didn't have enough practice time, but school is on break, so all the players have to think about is the next game. It's disappointing on many levels.
This is from Wikipedia:
"In the 1988–89 season, Young joined with Lane MacDonald and Allen Bourbeau to form what became known as the "line of fire" as the trio led Harvard offensively.[SUP][8][/SUP] Young was among the team leaders in goal scoring with 33 in all competitions,[SUP][9][/SUP] and was named to the East Coast Athletic Conference (ECAC) second all-star team.[SUP][3][/SUP] On December 12, 1988, Young set an NCAA record for the fastest hat trick by scoring three goals in 49 seconds – all shorthanded.[SUP][10][/SUP] The Crimson reached the 1989 Frozen Four tournament where they defeated the Minnesota Golden Gophers in the national championship final, 4–3 in overtime, to claim Harvard's first hockey championship, and the first national team championship in the school's history.[SUP][8]"[/SUP]
So that's why I couldn't think of the other player. It was CJ all the way!
Lynah Rink
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Can’t put the puck in the ocean but ahead of you in the ECAC standings and one spot behind you in the Pairwise?Don't worry Bothman. He's just frustrated because Cornell can't put the puck in the ocean. Tough to be jealous of real talent.
Don't worry Bothman. He's just frustrated because Cornell can't put the puck in the ocean. Tough to be jealous of real talent.
Cornell has scored 23 goals over it’s last 4 games.
Lynah Rink
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But Cornell plays defense, which is illegal.Cornell has scored 23 goals over it’s last 4 games.