Harvard Crimson 2017-2018

[andrewtim]

Re: Harvard Crimson 2017-2018

Name a good ECAC ref ?

 

[techtodenver]

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I'm sorry but this was not a hook. It was an excellent defensive play by the Cornell player who tried twice to lift Donato's stick. It was stick on stick and not stick on hands. At least that's what I saw from the angle of the camera. Sorry.

How in the world can you tell whether he got him on the stick or on the hands from that replay?

 

[bothman]

Don't know who you have been watching. Teddy still clueless and Brian only one scoring. USCHO rating is a joke. They may may end up last. DD

Wow! The freaks come out at night. Get back on your meds!

 

[Game0n]

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How in the world can you tell whether he got him on the stick or on the hands from that replay?

I just rewatched the last 10 minutes of the game on ILN and the refereeing was terrible. The hook on Donato was most definitely a hook - the ILN feed showed another angle in slow motion which clearly showed he got hooked on the hands twice. Ted then got a bench minor for arguing that non-call.

Other bad calls were when one ref blew a whistle for icing, then the other overruled, so instead of the puck being deep in the Cornell zone, they had to faceoff at center ice.

The charge against Badini was definitely a bad call. Even the Cornell announcers said that call "was up to interpretation..."

And the tripping call against Sherman at the end was actually the Cornell skater skating into Sherman's skate and tripping...

Many bad calls in the last 10 minutes, not to mention the entire game

 

[Scoop85]

We have here Exhibit A illustrating the inability of the vocal Cornell fan to articulate rise above the monosyllabic (albeit very long syllable) response in an otherwise thoughtful and insightful correspondence. Certainly tends to reinforce preconceived bias on my part.


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“Egads, Muffy, these Cornell ruffians have the temerity to interfere with our erudite Harvard hockey thread in which I and the other three Harvard hockey fans cast blame on those gentlemen in the striped clothing for the defeat of our galant lads from Cambridge in that horrid Ithaca town”

 

[HUCrimson#1]

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“Egads, Muffy, these Cornell ruffians have the temerity to interfere with our erudite Harvard hockey thread in which I and the other three Harvard hockey fans cast blame on those gentlemen in the striped clothing for the defeat of our galant lads from Cambridge in that horrid Ithaca town”

Horace my dear don't let those ruffians as you call them bother you. They are so needy and insecure about their hockey prowess they take things personally and engage in silly insults. However, Horace you are sliding that way yourself, which surprises me as you are beyond that stage of arrested development. I am beginning to wonder if this is a forum for serious hockey analysis or hockey humor. Sincerely, Muffy


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[sk8tronthepond]

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The hook on Donato was most definitely a hook - the ILN feed showed another angle in slow motion which clearly showed he got hooked on the hands twice.

Like I said. From the angle of that play on the video I saw, it looked like it was stick on stick. By the way, complaining about officials, now there's something new!

 

[Crimson on the Glass]

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This just in, poll rankings are beyond meaningless.

Harvard and Cornell haven't really played any top teams, except for arguably each other. Undefeated untied Cornell is held back to #5/#6, under teams with 2+ losses, apparently because of their schedule. Meanwhile the Crimson still come in at #13, despite a losing W-L record, and their two wins having come only against other sub-.500 Ivy teams with PWR > 50th.

Wishing the Crimson good hunting in Minnesota this weekend, and for my part I will try not to click on the poll rankings again. Even in November PWR seems a better measure.

And I don't think you get a bench minor for talking like Muffy and Horace, just saying.

 

[Game0n]

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This just in, poll rankings are beyond meaningless.

Harvard and Cornell haven't really played any top teams, except for arguably each other. Undefeated untied Cornell is held back to #5/#6, under teams with 2+ losses, apparently because of their schedule. Meanwhile the Crimson still come in at #13, despite a losing W-L record, and their two wins having come only against other sub-.500 Ivy teams with PWR > 50th.
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Agree that the rankings are a joke. I wonder what they would have been if Harvard won 3-2 instead of Cornell?? The game was basically a coin toss, but if Harvard won, do you think they would be ranked #5 and Cornell #13?

 

[Kepler]

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The game was basically a coin toss, but if Harvard won, do you think they would be ranked #5 and Cornell #13?

Yep. The polls are silly and it's too early for PWR to be very meaningful. Come February Harvard will have rolled off a bunch of wins and they'll be right back in the thick of it. They're a good squad with a ton of individual talent. Add in a bit more of a team dynamic and they'll go deep.

We may have 3* nationally-competitive teams coming out of the ECAC; not only that but they're the three traditional powers. It's been a long time wading through Yale, Union, and Quinnipiac to get back to this. Order is restored.

* If Point really is Superman then Colgate makes 4.

 

[Kepler]

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The reality is I have no problem with the no call on Donato that late in the game for the reasons listed above. But don't then turn around and call the bench minor and a ticky tack trip on Sherman.

I was very surprised by the Sherman call too. I didn't see it and haven't seen a replay but yeah, if I was Harvard I'd be questioning it unless it was overt.

The Donato call I can only say for him to be whistled at that point in that game he must have used some combination of syllables that will get you thrown through the window at any self-respecting dive bar. That was Gaudet-level stupid or Cahoon-level lack of discipline. Even if it was some sort of headgame Donato is playing to fire up his guys (something a certain Cornell coach is not above doing...) man did that ever backfire.

I'm surprised nobody's brought up the other element of officiating in the game -- the inconsistent linesmen. The most egregious case was when Harvard was whistled for icing on a play where our forward airmailed a pass out to the point. There were blown offsides and phantom icings and at least one, maybe more, plays where the linesman realized he'd screwed up and moved the faceoff back to center ice.

 

[Crimson Faced]

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Were those people sitting in the grassy nole?

The game was a disgrace. Playing Cornell is always a treat for this fan, getting to see two contrasting systems go toe-to-toe, irrespective of the outcome. It's sad that the pinstripes had such an effect with missed calls (Donato hook), inconsistent calls (goalie interference), and calling a bench minor on the coach in the closing minutes of a tie game. The players, coaches, and fans deserve better - the game deserves better.

The reality is I have no problem with the no call on Donato that late in the game for the reasons listed above. But don't then turn around and call the bench minor and a ticky tack trip on Sherman.

Donato expects competency and consistency and I trust his judgment and his outbursts when he chooses to call things as he sees them. Donato is not viewed as a blowhard across the league (unlike others who will remain nameless) and while this is a rivalry game, Donato is generally not one to call out the refs unless deserved.

Well, to be fair, a Harvard player snowed Cornell's goalie first, which was stupid, then Cornell took a couple of runs at Madsen. The second was not as bad as the first, when Madsen was pushed against the post after the whistle. When I saw that was not called, I was amazed that Harvard's was, later in the game. There was inconsistency. According to the announcers, when Harvard was called for goalie interference, Donato was yelling at the refs about the non-calls.

Still, if Donato was warned, then it was inexcusable for him to keep up the abuse. He put his anger before the team's welfare. I can't blame the officials for calling a bench minor if he was warned.

Incidentally, the Cornell announcers are excellent, I enjoyed listening to them. Accurate and very fair.

 

[BIG Green]

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Watch this hook on Donato at 1:33 ... everybody in the arena could see it except for the four officials on the ice, who's job it is to call that



Not only was this call missed, but the charge on Harvard's goalie near the end of the 3rd period was not called. The tripping call on Sherman weak. It really should have been Harvard on the power play, not the other way. This was a comedy of errors by the officiating staff who was making bad calls all game, but especially at the end, where their lack of competence was what decided the game.

Hey Guys! Just thought I would chime in here on that so-called "hook' or non-hook as I obviously do NOT have a dog in the race, other than a really good Harvard team being our travel partner. I must have looked at this play 1/2 dozen times and my unbiased conclusion is that it was a good non-call. It seems to me that the Cornell D tried to lift Donato's stick or something as he lifts between Donato's leg getting air. It was a quick lift and back down. Having said that, sometimes that might get called a hook just on the assumption rather than the actual real-time evidence. It is a long reason both Cornell and Harvard will be there in the end along with Clarkson.

 

[Dutchman]

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Order is restored.

Really?

 

[joecct]

For those of you who find the 8 week gap between Bright-Landry home games excessive (!), I just want to put in a plug for the @ BC game the day after Thanksgiving. Good seats still available, and not too too expensive. I'll be be on the glass where Harvard shoots twice. Go Crimson!

Isn't that uncomfortable and moreover, dangerous?

 

[AlDeFlorio]

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Hey Guys! Just thought I would chime in here on that so-called "hook' or non-hook as I obviously do NOT have a dog in the race, other than a really good Harvard team being our travel partner. I must have looked at this play 1/2 dozen times and my unbiased conclusion is that it was a good non-call. It seems to me that the Cornell D tried to lift Donato's stick or something as he lifts between Donato's leg getting air. It was a quick lift and back down. Having said that, sometimes that might get called a hook just on the assumption rather than the actual real-time evidence. It is a long reason both Cornell and Harvard will be there in the end along with Clarkson.

Thanks for interrupting all this whining with reality. I've watched the video many times also and it confirms what I saw sitting at the top of the circle on the side of the rink opposite the cameras. There was no hook, Kaldis lifted Donato's stick and it was a correct no-call. GameOn is hallucinating.

And Badini clearly charged the goaltender, as the Cornell color guy pointed out, saying "he never put the brakes on." Badini had lost the puck yards from the crease so he was just running the goalie.

If Harvard's statue...um, defenseman...who let Malott skate around him to pot Cornell's second goal while Madsen watched had the skill of a Yanni Kaldis maybe Harvard would have won 2-1, as Donato might not have behaved like a juvenile and cost his team the game if Harvard had the lead.

 

[bothman]

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Thanks for interrupting all this whining with reality. I've watched the video many times also and it confirms what I saw sitting at the top of the circle on the side of the rink opposite the cameras. There was no hook, Kaldis lifted Donato's stick and it was a correct no-call. GameOn is hallucinating.

And Badini clearly charged the goaltender, as the Cornell color guy pointed out, saying "he never put the brakes on." Badini had lost the puck yards from the crease so he was just running the goalie.

If Harvard's statue...um, defenseman...who let Malott skate around him to pot Cornell's second goal while Madsen watched had the skill of a Yanni Kaldis maybe Harvard would have won 2-1, as Donato might not have behaved like a juvenile and cost his team the game if Harvard had the lead.

Al - welcome back! 2 years since your last post - we feel honored. And just to call us a bunch of bedwetters. It must feel good to gloat and bring the cheese to match our whine?

And the thanks for the call out on skill level. I will pass the thought to Donato that he needs to recruit for more skill on defense (and other areas?) so he can match the home cooking in Ithaca.

 

[Game0n]

Re: Harvard Crimson 2017-2018

Thanks for interrupting all this whining with reality. I've watched the video many times also and it confirms what I saw sitting at the top of the circle on the side of the rink opposite the cameras. There was no hook, Kaldis lifted Donato's stick and it was a correct no-call. GameOn is hallucinating.

And Badini clearly charged the goaltender, as the Cornell color guy pointed out, saying "he never put the brakes on." Badini had lost the puck yards from the crease so he was just running the goalie.

If Harvard's statue...um, defenseman...who let Malott skate around him to pot Cornell's second goal while Madsen watched had the skill of a Yanni Kaldis maybe Harvard would have won 2-1, as Donato might not have behaved like a juvenile and cost his team the game if Harvard had the lead.

Ok. These were some close calls, but I made a quick slow motion video edit of the Charging call against Badini, the uncalled Hook on Donato, and the tripping call against Sherman. I personally think that wasn't much of a charge and the goalie definitely embellished... the Donato play looks like he got hooked twice on the left glove... and the trip was really a close call...

I'm pretty much over the disappointment of that loss and am looking forward to Minnesota this weekend. But just in case you want to look at my slow mo edit on YouTube, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxIjUycQelI

 

[Watson Rink]

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URGENT QUESTION ABOUT VIDEO COVERAGE THIS WEEKEND

Has anybody figured out whether any of the three video networks that you are directed to from the gocrimson.com "Schedule" page to the Gophersports.com "Athletics" will actually work for Verizon subscribers in Massachusetts? The second one (BTN2Go) has a sign-in for Verizon subscribers but the link goes to an error message saying "too many redirects occurred trying to open the page."

If anyone knows how to get the game on video, please let everybody know.

 

[Game0n]

Re: Harvard Crimson 2017-2018

URGENT QUESTION ABOUT VIDEO COVERAGE THIS WEEKEND

Has anybody figured out whether any of the three video networks that you are directed to from the gocrimson.com "Schedule" page to the Gophersports.com "Athletics" will actually work for Verizon subscribers in Massachusetts? The second one (BTN2Go) has a sign-in for Verizon subscribers but the link goes to an error message saying "too many redirects occurred trying to open the page."

If anyone knows how to get the game on video, please let everybody know.

BTN2GO works for me, but I have Optimum... Initially I had a problem logging in through my provider, but then i did it on a different computer and it worked... I had to download the latest version of Flash too... maybe try a different browser - mine works on Chrome...