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Harvard Crimson 2016-2017: Restoring the Karma Part II

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ARM said:
To be fair to Mary Parker, my understanding is that she was put in this position by Harvard's eligibility rules. If Harvard doesn't allow her to have a full senior season, but the NCAA does, then she is faced with a dilemma if she wishes to continue playing.
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We had a case in the 80's where Mark Benning transferred to Harvard, completed his studies in 1986 and came back for the '87 season taking two grad courses because he still had NCAA eligibility after the transfer. Same for Kevan Melrose. They both played while part time or grad students.

In this case, Mary completed her studies to receive her undergrad degree and could have enrolled as a grad student or possibly at the Extension School and played this season with the Crimson. A friend's daughter did this recently at Harvard where she cut back her schedule to part time due to mono the previous semester. She was able to compete athletically while she was a part time student and healthy. So I think it can be done.
 
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Eeyore said:
Nice to know that kids can't move on with their lives after they graduate.
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I never said she couldn't move on with her life. My only comment had to do with playing for a rival. If Harvard denied her the opportunity to play this year while a part time grad student, so be it but don't extrapolate where you have no basis.
 
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Skate79 said:
I never said she couldn't move on with her life. My only comment had to do with playing for a rival. If Harvard denied her the opportunity to play this year while a part time grad student, so be it but don't extrapolate where you have no basis.
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She graduated, the primary purpose for going to school in the first place. There's a lot of value in going to grad school somewhere other than where you did your undergraduate work. Maybe she wanted to do something that Harvard isn't as good at. (Yes, Harvard fans, there are lots of things that fall into that category.) Or maybe she just wanted to go someplace else. This is a normal part of life, and there's no particular reason she needs to follow your desires about how she lives it.
 
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thirdtime's . . . said:
Familiar, if laudable, PR, but watch the youtube clip on compliance that directly follows. More PR, so no real information, but at least some initial candor. Does any other "compliance officer" casually mention regulating "the sports industry within collegiate athletics"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHcG5zHxOq4
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She misspoke. I think she was probably referring to Harvard Athletics per se rather than sports in general. In the video, she talks about the fact that without compliance, Harvard couldn't field athletic teams which you can pretty much say for any university. Nothing earth shattering here.
 
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Skate79 said:
She misspoke. I think she was probably referring to Harvard Athletics per se rather than sports in general. In the video, she talks about the fact that without compliance, Harvard couldn't field athletic teams which you can pretty much say for any university. Nothing earth shattering here.
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Indeed, nothing earth shattering here, but she didn't misspeak, she went off script (there's a difference), however unintentionally, and that's what I found somewhat noteworthy/amusing in a canned (i.e., uninformative) clip. That's all.

BTW, kudos to Daniels for a hat trick yesterday, Dartmouth or no, and . . .

Does anyone have any information on Dani Krzyszczyk?
 
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thirdtime's . . . said:
Indeed, nothing earth shattering here, but she didn't misspeak, she went off script (there's a difference), however unintentionally, and that's what I found somewhat noteworthy/amusing in a canned (i.e., uninformative) clip. That's all.

BTW, kudos to Daniels for a hat trick yesterday, Dartmouth or no, and . . .

Does anyone have any information on Dani Krzyszczyk?
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No info on Dani. I'm hoping she didn't suffer another concussion. Also noticed that Karly Heffernan isn't on the roster. I'm wondering if she took the year off for academic or personal reasons. Or if she transferred.

This may be the first season in a long, long time where Harvard might be in danger of missing the playoffs. I'm thinking no worse than eighth place but who knows...
 
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Skate79 said:
Also noticed that Karly Heffernan isn't on the roster. I'm wondering if she took the year off for academic or personal reasons. Or if she transferred.
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Ms Heffernan has had some kind of foot issue, surgery or injury or something along those lines.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I'd like to buy a vowel
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LOL. I had to google this, and found:

"When determining if the Y is a vowel or a consonant, the basic rule is this: When the letter serves as a vowel, and in fact sounds like one, it is a vowel. The same is true when the Y serves as the only vowel in the syllable."

So I'm still not sure... ;)
 
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Though their website says Harvard was "edged" by SLU 4-0 yesterday, the good news is that Krzyszczyk was back on the ice.

TonyTheTiger20 said:
I'd like to buy a vowel
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That was an empty netter for you. Let's just call her Dani K and look forward to her performance next season in the same venue with Sammy Davis. :cool:
 
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thirdtime's . . . said:
Though their website says Harvard was "edged" by SLU 4-0 yesterday, the good news is that Krzyszczyk was back on the ice.



That was an empty netter for you. Let's just call her Dani K and look forward to her performance next season in the same venue with Sammy Davis. :cool:
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There's not much you can say when you fail to score through two games. You add in the McGill exhibition and this may be Harvard's most challenging season since early on in the Katey Stone era. I'm thinking we may miss the playoffs altogether if this keeps up. Fortunately there is time but we need to turn things around soon before the team loses their motivation to win.
 
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Skate79 said:
There's not much you can say when you fail to score through two games. You add in the McGill exhibition and this may be Harvard's most challenging season since early on in the Katey Stone era. I'm thinking we may miss the playoffs altogether if this keeps up. Fortunately there is time but we need to turn things around soon before the team loses their motivation to win.
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Skate, any explanation as why recruiting seems to have taken a step backwards? Same head coach obviously...might it be related to Crowell leaving and assuming the head coaching job at Minnesota-Duluth, a team that seems to be going in the other direction?
 
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D2D said:
Skate, any explanation as why recruiting seems to have taken a step backwards? Same head coach obviously...might it be related to Crowell leaving and assuming the head coaching job at Minnesota-Duluth, a team that seems to be going in the other direction?
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Last season in October, I brought the daughter of a close friend who wanted to attend Harvard to meet with Katey. She is a skilled center who played for a former UNH player - Katey knew her. After the meeting, Katey and I spoke briefly about recruiting and the sense I got was it was a combination of tougher admissions and kids who were getting better offers elsewhere (financial aid/athletic scholarships) earlier on where Katey just couldn't compete.

While Harvard does work hard on the financial aid front, we don't offer athletic scholarships. None of this excuses her assistants from not beating the bushes to find talent. It may also just be a down cycle. My friend's daughter got wait listed and her grades and scores were at or near the top of her class. Not much you can say at that point. She's now looking at Quinny while taking a gap year helping in the family business. That's gonna hurt if she gets in but I love her to death and would do anything for her and her family. So all I hope is that she is happy and fulfilled no matter her choice. That's my wish for every female Harvard student-athlete.
 
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Skate79 said:
After the meeting, Katey and I spoke briefly about recruiting and the sense I got was it was a combination of tougher admissions and kids who were getting better offers elsewhere (financial aid/athletic scholarships) earlier on where Katey just couldn't compete.
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The lack of athletic scholarships is a given, something that hasn't changed for all Ivy teams, since forever. And it's my understanding that when it comes to financial aid Harvard, with a mega-billion dollars endowment that dwarfs all other schools, is the most generous of all teams in the league. So other than recruiting reasons (where the coaching staff may not be adequately "beating the bushes" as you suspect) the only other explanation is that Harvard's academic admission requirements for athletes have risen relative to the other Ivy's...which would mean that top hockey players, who may not be very top students, are no longer being accepted, i.e. the standards that applied a few years ago have changed. Needless to say, this is near impossible to quantify, since the specifics of individual candidates are never made public. But it does lead to the question: are other sport teams at Harvard facing the same obstacles and having the same difficulties? I think it's safe to conclude that women's hockey is not up against any unique barriers in this regard.

All that being said, I wish Harvard women's hockey the very best going forward.
 
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D2D said:
The lack of athletic scholarships is a given, something that hasn't changed for all Ivy teams, since forever. And it's my understanding that when it comes to financial aid Harvard, with a mega-billion dollars endowment that dwarfs all other schools, is the most generous of all teams in the league. So other than recruiting reasons (where the coaching staff may not be adequately "beating the bushes" as you suspect) the only other explanation is that Harvard's academic admission requirements for athletes have risen relative to the other Ivy's...which would mean that top hockey players, who may not be very top students, are no longer being accepted, i.e. the standards that applied a few years ago have changed. Needless to say, this is near impossible to quantify, since the specifics of individual candidates are never made public. But it does lead to the question: are other sport teams at Harvard facing the same obstacles and having the same difficulties? I think it's safe to conclude that women's hockey is not up against any unique barriers in this regard.

All that being said, I wish Harvard women's hockey the very best going forward.
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Thanks for the good wishes. You are correct that the women's program doesn't have any barriers that would preclude them from getting top talent. And while we haven't offered athletic scholarships at any point in time, there are more programs that have come on line that do offer them and it shrinks the pool of top talent. Again, I don't want to make excuses. Men's hoops and football have done very well for the past 7 or 8 years - heck, Murphy has had a chokehold on the Ivies for what seems like forever. So perhaps it has to do with the lack of continuity with the assistants or maybe the way the program is being run as compared to other ECAC schools. I'm spitballing here and there are no definitive answers. Hopefully the downward trend reverses itself in the near future.
 
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Is there really a problem in being able to recruit to Harvard? The roster was loaded a couple of years ago, and even now, there are plenty of kids who are veterans of international U-18 play for the US and Canada, either the World Championships or the summer series. Watching Harvard against St. Lawrence, I thought that the whole was less than the sum of the parts. I'm sure that some of that is the later start for the Ivies.

In any case, I wouldn't count the Crimson out just yet.
 
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