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Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2013-2014
No comparison. Melrose was much meaner, much tougher and in my opinion really damaged Cleary's credibility. To this day, Melrose still has the dirtiest play I have seen in college hockey.
I have only watched KG in one game, but from what I saw he was hurting you guys more than he was helping you.
No comparison. Melrose was much meaner, much tougher and in my opinion really damaged Cleary's credibility. To this day, Melrose still has the dirtiest play I have seen in college hockey.
I have only watched KG in one game, but from what I saw he was hurting you guys more than he was helping you.
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Maybe, but with the forwards Harvard had back then (Bourbeau, MacDonald, Donato, CJ Young, Ciavaglia, etc) - they could afford to take penalties in order to give those guys more room to dangle and create. This is the same team that scored 3 shorthanded goals in 59 seconds (all by CJ Young).
Maybe, but with the forwards Harvard had back then (Bourbeau, MacDonald, Donato, CJ Young, Ciavaglia, etc) - they could afford to take penalties in order to give those guys more room to dangle and create. This is the same team that scored 3 shorthanded goals in 59 seconds (all by CJ Young).
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He wasn't kicked out. He had one semester of eligibility left during the '89-90 season and used it during the first semester. And he wasn't a cement head either. Kevan off the ice was a great guy and took his work seriously. On the ice, he was tough and intimidating. That was his game. The only time I saw him take a deliberate run at a player was in his last game against Brown at Bright Center. The game was out of control at that point and Kevan took a couple of cheap shots at the Brown players. It wasn't his best moment by a long shot but that was the exception not the rule.
Should I point out that your glorious coach once took runs at three different Harvard players on one shift in his senior year up at Cornell, then in a moment of sheer brilliance, picked up the puck and threw it at the head of Billy Cleary. That is the definition of a cement head. And you guys went wild in the stands. Yup, that's class all right.
He wasn't kicked out. He had one semester of eligibility left during the '89-90 season and used it during the first semester. And he wasn't a cement head either. Kevan off the ice was a great guy and took his work seriously. On the ice, he was tough and intimidating. That was his game. The only time I saw him take a deliberate run at a player was in his last game against Brown at Bright Center. The game was out of control at that point and Kevan took a couple of cheap shots at the Brown players. It wasn't his best moment by a long shot but that was the exception not the rule.
Should I point out that your glorious coach once took runs at three different Harvard players on one shift in his senior year up at Cornell, then in a moment of sheer brilliance, picked up the puck and threw it at the head of Billy Cleary. That is the definition of a cement head. And you guys went wild in the stands. Yup, that's class all right.
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That team? You mean that player! CJ Young! And I thought it was 49 or 45 seconds that he had a short-handed hat trick against Dartmouth. That is just unbelievable to me still. No question Harvard was one of the best skating teams ever in that era. However, Melrose was a dirty player. I could pretty much guarantee you that if I asked him the most dirty and dangerous play he saw in his SLU career it would be Melrose putting the stick to Dougie Murray. The irony, of course, is Bill Cleary was always preaching law and order and against that kind of play. Harvard didn't need him to be that good. They had plenty of blueliners that were unbelievably good including guys like Don Sweeney.
Anyway, although I am not a fan for the reasons stated above, I'd take Melrose over KG any day of the week. In the SLU game at Harvard in November, KG was completely overshadowed by Eric Sweetman in terms of quality of play and physical play.
That team? You mean that player! CJ Young! And I thought it was 49 or 45 seconds that he had a short-handed hat trick against Dartmouth. That is just unbelievable to me still. No question Harvard was one of the best skating teams ever in that era. However, Melrose was a dirty player. I could pretty much guarantee you that if I asked him the most dirty and dangerous play he saw in his SLU career it would be Melrose putting the stick to Dougie Murray. The irony, of course, is Bill Cleary was always preaching law and order and against that kind of play. Harvard didn't need him to be that good. They had plenty of blueliners that were unbelievably good including guys like Don Sweeney.
Anyway, although I am not a fan for the reasons stated above, I'd take Melrose over KG any day of the week. In the SLU game at Harvard in November, KG was completely overshadowed by Eric Sweetman in terms of quality of play and physical play.
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LOL. That never happened. I was at that game. Schafer did in fact shoot a puck near the Harvard bench, but after the game Cleary even said that is was ridiculous to assume it was intentional and everybody should just chill out.
Revisionism works a lot better when there are no eye witnesses.
Melrose not only ran the player, he also pushed the linesman. He was kicked out of his final game, thus ending his career in exactly the way he deserved. Of all the questionable guys there have been over the years, he was far and away the biggest d-bag on the ice. As for whether he was a great guy off the ice, that's irrelevant; Hitler loved dogs.
LOL. That never happened. I was at that game. Schafer did in fact shoot a puck near the Harvard bench, but after the game Cleary even said that is was ridiculous to assume it was intentional and everybody should just chill out.
Revisionism works a lot better when there are no eye witnesses.
Melrose not only ran the player, he also pushed the linesman. He was kicked out of his final game, thus ending his career in exactly the way he deserved. Of all the questionable guys there have been over the years, he was far and away the biggest d-bag on the ice. As for whether he was a great guy off the ice, that's irrelevant; Hitler loved dogs.
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Exactly. That Harvard team was amazing and they played beautifully, but for whatever reason Cleary felt they also needed one psycho to prevent other teams from beating up on their talented Princess Anne players. He may well have been right -- those were still pretty rough days, and there was a sort of watered-down Enforcer role on all teams. But the others managed to do their jobs without that level of criminality. Cleary must have just felt the end justified the means, and he did get his trophy.
Also, agree that CJ Young's short handed hat trick is the most amazing single player achievement I have ever heard of. IIRC it was all on one penalty with a period break between the 2nd and 3rd goals.
Exactly. That Harvard team was amazing and they played beautifully, but for whatever reason Cleary felt they also needed one psycho to prevent other teams from beating up on their talented Princess Anne players. He may well have been right -- those were still pretty rough days, and there was a sort of watered-down Enforcer role on all teams. But the others managed to do their jobs without that level of criminality. Cleary must have just felt the end justified the means, and he did get his trophy.
Also, agree that CJ Young's short handed hat trick is the most amazing single player achievement I have ever heard of. IIRC it was all on one penalty with a period break between the 2nd and 3rd goals.
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Kepler
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Well, I knew it was one of those maroon-jerseyed teams!
He did have 2 shifts. On the first one he was gassed after 20 seconds, lagging behind the play, and still got in a nasty blind slash at an opponent. We were in the stands and looked at each other exactly the way the bench looks when the Hanson brothers skate the first time. The second shift he ran a guy, got 5 plus a gamer, and disappeared into the mists of time. The only Big Red player we've ever booed. A real piece of work. He wound up a professional indoor soccer player and one of the more bizarre footnotes to Cornell hockey.
Well, I knew it was one of those maroon-jerseyed teams!
He did have 2 shifts. On the first one he was gassed after 20 seconds, lagging behind the play, and still got in a nasty blind slash at an opponent. We were in the stands and looked at each other exactly the way the bench looks when the Hanson brothers skate the first time. The second shift he ran a guy, got 5 plus a gamer, and disappeared into the mists of time. The only Big Red player we've ever booed. A real piece of work. He wound up a professional indoor soccer player and one of the more bizarre footnotes to Cornell hockey.
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Was he the guy who de-committed from Princeton with about 5 seconds to go before the first scrimmage and then magically appeared on the Harvard roster? It was at about the same time, but I don't recall the exact player.
I don't remember him as being a killer goon. I think he hurt us with a few well- (poorly-) timed goals.
Was he the guy who de-committed from Princeton with about 5 seconds to go before the first scrimmage and then magically appeared on the Harvard roster? It was at about the same time, but I don't recall the exact player.
I don't remember him as being a killer goon. I think he hurt us with a few well- (poorly-) timed goals.
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Don't know about the Princeton recruiting. I most likely over-exaggerated when I called him a goon; he was a big guy who liked to hit people and he did have skill.
Don't know about the Princeton recruiting. I most likely over-exaggerated when I called him a goon; he was a big guy who liked to hit people and he did have skill.
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Sounds like somebody we would have liked to get.
I also liked him just because he had such an atrocious Upper Class Twit of the Year name.
Sounds like somebody we would have liked to get.
I also liked him just because he had such an atrocious Upper Class Twit of the Year name.
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The name was classic. Ethan was a really good guy and very bright-- off the ice. Because of his size, and some success scoring, during his Andover years, Buffalo viewed him as a project w/ a lot of upside. They made him a 3rd round draft pick but Ethan never lived up to that. He was a poor skater and he was conflicted about his role on the Crimson, and that of a potential NHL banger, during his college years. He was banger/enforcer playing with a bunch of kids who could fly in Harvard's uptempo, wide-open system of play. Disenchanted, he went to the USHL to work on his skating. When he returned to Harvard his skating was slightly improved and he contributed more to the cause, but he was still limited by his skating. Moreover, like a lot of kids who come to Harvard with hockey cred he never really made his mark with the Crimson in part because hockey wasn't at the center of his universe. He took hockey as far as he could--playing in the low minors after he left Cambridge-- but when he saw the writing on the wall he was smart enough to put down the dukes and get on with his life. These days he's still rearranging peoples' faces, and he's getting paid for it, too...but as a plastic surgeon in western IL.
Sounds like somebody we would have liked to get.
I also liked him just because he had such an atrocious Upper Class Twit of the Year name.
The name was classic. Ethan was a really good guy and very bright-- off the ice. Because of his size, and some success scoring, during his Andover years, Buffalo viewed him as a project w/ a lot of upside. They made him a 3rd round draft pick but Ethan never lived up to that. He was a poor skater and he was conflicted about his role on the Crimson, and that of a potential NHL banger, during his college years. He was banger/enforcer playing with a bunch of kids who could fly in Harvard's uptempo, wide-open system of play. Disenchanted, he went to the USHL to work on his skating. When he returned to Harvard his skating was slightly improved and he contributed more to the cause, but he was still limited by his skating. Moreover, like a lot of kids who come to Harvard with hockey cred he never really made his mark with the Crimson in part because hockey wasn't at the center of his universe. He took hockey as far as he could--playing in the low minors after he left Cambridge-- but when he saw the writing on the wall he was smart enough to put down the dukes and get on with his life. These days he's still rearranging peoples' faces, and he's getting paid for it, too...but as a plastic surgeon in western IL.
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Wow, why don't you tell us what you really think? Like Cornell always, always has a bunch of choir boys on their roster. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
And as far as Schaefer is concerned, i got my account from someone who was there. Like your revisionist history on Melrose and for the record, I was sitting a few rows behind the Harvard bench so I saw what happened. There were four minutes left in the game when he started running players - the Brown players took exception and all hell broke loose. The penalties added up to more time then was left in the game so he was done for his career. I'm not condoning his actions but you want to call him a d-bag, you better be prepared to drag a few of your players to the altar as well because the garbage you guys dish out at Lynah goes well beyond being d-bags.
You want to call our players Princess Annes, fine go ahead. But when one of our guys stands up for our players, that's not okay? Really? You can't have it both ways. You're entitled to your opinion but please don't go sanctimonious on me. It is laughable coming from a Cornell grad. Seriously.
Wow, why don't you tell us what you really think? Like Cornell always, always has a bunch of choir boys on their roster. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
And as far as Schaefer is concerned, i got my account from someone who was there. Like your revisionist history on Melrose and for the record, I was sitting a few rows behind the Harvard bench so I saw what happened. There were four minutes left in the game when he started running players - the Brown players took exception and all hell broke loose. The penalties added up to more time then was left in the game so he was done for his career. I'm not condoning his actions but you want to call him a d-bag, you better be prepared to drag a few of your players to the altar as well because the garbage you guys dish out at Lynah goes well beyond being d-bags.
You want to call our players Princess Annes, fine go ahead. But when one of our guys stands up for our players, that's not okay? Really? You can't have it both ways. You're entitled to your opinion but please don't go sanctimonious on me. It is laughable coming from a Cornell grad. Seriously.
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Well it was a win tonight. Would not call it a great win. No way that game should have gone into OT. Clarkson played better than Harvard for much of the game. Had 3 or 4 wide open nets and either shot the puck over the crossbar, wide of the net (one time by 10 feet ) or whiffed at the puck. I will say Michalek was great. Made a number of key stops. I would not get too enthusiastic about this win. Both teams were awful in puck control and could not string together more than 2 passes before the puck was given up. 9 times out of 10 Harvard would have lost this game. Congrats on the win but I would not be signing Teddy to that contract extension.
Well it was a win tonight. Would not call it a great win. No way that game should have gone into OT. Clarkson played better than Harvard for much of the game. Had 3 or 4 wide open nets and either shot the puck over the crossbar, wide of the net (one time by 10 feet ) or whiffed at the puck. I will say Michalek was great. Made a number of key stops. I would not get too enthusiastic about this win. Both teams were awful in puck control and could not string together more than 2 passes before the puck was given up. 9 times out of 10 Harvard would have lost this game. Congrats on the win but I would not be signing Teddy to that contract extension.
Well it was a win tonight. Would not call it a great win. No way that game should have gone into OT. Clarkson played better than Harvard for much of the game. Had 3 or 4 wide open nets and either shot the puck over the crossbar, wide of the net (one time by 10 feet ) or whiffed at the puck. I will say Michalek was great. Made a number of key stops. I would not get too enthusiastic about this win. Both teams were awful in puck control and could not string together more than 2 passes before the puck was given up. 9 times out of 10 Harvard would have lost this game. Congrats on the win but I would not be signing Teddy to that contract extension.
Not having to hear that god-awful bell is a win just by itself!
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