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Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
I would agree with this statement, but only because any team that does these things (and it's possible even without the great popcorn) has a VERY high chance of winning any game.
Now, what I have seen of SNC in the stats and in the webstreams shows me that the Knights do these things on a relatively consistent basis, much moreso than the Gusties. SNC will very likely win, IMO.
I would agree with this statement, but only because any team that does these things (and it's possible even without the great popcorn) has a VERY high chance of winning any game.
Now, what I have seen of SNC in the stats and in the webstreams shows me that the Knights do these things on a relatively consistent basis, much moreso than the Gusties. SNC will very likely win, IMO.
Old Rook NU'66
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Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
Gustavus Adolphus will meet Norwich in the final game in Lake Placid simply because in our house we want to keep it in the family.
NU will win 1 to 0 in OT. So clearly, GA will have to beat SNC to get there. 
Seriously, I was impressed by GA in the St. Thomas game--they have loads of speed. 
Good luck GA
Old Rook Norwich '66 ...but with a cool
nephew who played hoops at GA and graduated in '09
Gustavus Adolphus will meet Norwich in the final game in Lake Placid simply because in our house we want to keep it in the family.
NU will win 1 to 0 in OT. So clearly, GA will have to beat SNC to get there. Seriously, I was impressed by GA in the St. Thomas game--they have loads of speed. Good luck GA
Old Rook Norwich '66 ...but with a cool
nephew who played hoops at GA and graduated in '09Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
The west is loaded with teams that have super amounts of speed. GAC and SNC are just two examples.
This will be a tight game, but the host has a big advantage! SNC is pretty tough to beat on home ice.
Westscout
The west is loaded with teams that have super amounts of speed. GAC and SNC are just two examples.
This will be a tight game, but the host has a big advantage! SNC is pretty tough to beat on home ice.
Westscout
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
SNC team defense has been a very effective tool in taking away time, speed and space. SNC knows what it takes to make turnovers, mistakes, etc. and cash in on them. I would suggest coach Cogs and the group will have a nice game plan for the Gusties speed. My prediction SNC 4-2! Go Green Knights!
SNC team defense has been a very effective tool in taking away time, speed and space. SNC knows what it takes to make turnovers, mistakes, etc. and cash in on them. I would suggest coach Cogs and the group will have a nice game plan for the Gusties speed. My prediction SNC 4-2! Go Green Knights!
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
When I was at Umass-Dartmouth, after they made the NCAA's my first year there, everyone said they would fold and be 'just another team' the following year after their starting goalie went DI. I'd seen their backup (Jeff Green) play while the starter was hurt (Burek is the second half, I'm not looking up how to spell the first half of his last name...), and knew he was pretty solid as well.
But everyone told me I was wrong and the only reason they were any good was because of Burek. The next year they went 25-2-1 before losing to middlebury in what was their closest game of the playoffs before losing to oswego. link
What does that have to do about this game? Well, not much directly. But last year Gustavus finished with 10 or 11 losses and didn't reach 20 wins. Discounting their chances because they lost their goalie (who didn't even start the whole year for them) is short-sighted at best, especially since you're not even considering the goalie they have this year could be as good if not better.
This time of year, I don't really come into games with expectations. It could be a blowout, it could be a 2-1 nailbiter, it could be a track meet like that 7-5 game last year. One thing I do expect is that both teams will play hard, and SNC is very tough to crack at home. We'll see how it all turns out tomorrow.
Swartout has better stats this season than Lopes had last season.
When I was at Umass-Dartmouth, after they made the NCAA's my first year there, everyone said they would fold and be 'just another team' the following year after their starting goalie went DI. I'd seen their backup (Jeff Green) play while the starter was hurt (Burek is the second half, I'm not looking up how to spell the first half of his last name...), and knew he was pretty solid as well.
But everyone told me I was wrong and the only reason they were any good was because of Burek. The next year they went 25-2-1 before losing to middlebury in what was their closest game of the playoffs before losing to oswego. link
What does that have to do about this game? Well, not much directly. But last year Gustavus finished with 10 or 11 losses and didn't reach 20 wins. Discounting their chances because they lost their goalie (who didn't even start the whole year for them) is short-sighted at best, especially since you're not even considering the goalie they have this year could be as good if not better.
This time of year, I don't really come into games with expectations. It could be a blowout, it could be a 2-1 nailbiter, it could be a track meet like that 7-5 game last year. One thing I do expect is that both teams will play hard, and SNC is very tough to crack at home. We'll see how it all turns out tomorrow.
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Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
This.
I haven't seen GAC, and thus have no opinion on them, but they're going to have to play a helluva game to beat SNC, based on what I saw Wednesday night.
SNC team defense has been a very effective tool in taking away time, speed and space. SNC knows what it takes to make turnovers, mistakes, etc. and cash in on them. I would suggest coach Cogs and the group will have a nice game plan for the Gusties speed. My prediction SNC 4-2! Go Green Knights!
This.
I haven't seen GAC, and thus have no opinion on them, but they're going to have to play a helluva game to beat SNC, based on what I saw Wednesday night.
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
One to 7:
Your last paragraph is very true. All teams left are here for a reason! Anything can happen. I am a staunch SNC supporter and predicting that they will win, but completely understand and agree with your comments.
One to 7:
Your last paragraph is very true. All teams left are here for a reason! Anything can happen. I am a staunch SNC supporter and predicting that they will win, but completely understand and agree with your comments.
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
So CV998, you are right that this a speculation thread. While my comment was a bit hasty, what I was hoping to convey was that speculation can come as a reasoned view back up with stats and experience without what seemed to me just plain "we are better than you talk". If someone just keeps shouting "we are better", how can I have a civil debate and speculate with or against you. I will admit I am a SNC supporter, and I will admit that on paper these two teams seem virtually identical. I have not seen GA play this year, but I have to reason that since SNC is continually being ranked above GA in the NCAA Uscho Poll supposedly by persons who understand hockey better than me, and the fact the SNC is on home turf that SNC has the edge to win this game. I think the game will be fast paced and will call on both teams to bring their best. Anything can happen in a game like this, but I see it going to SNC.
So CV998, you are right that this a speculation thread. While my comment was a bit hasty, what I was hoping to convey was that speculation can come as a reasoned view back up with stats and experience without what seemed to me just plain "we are better than you talk". If someone just keeps shouting "we are better", how can I have a civil debate and speculate with or against you. I will admit I am a SNC supporter, and I will admit that on paper these two teams seem virtually identical. I have not seen GA play this year, but I have to reason that since SNC is continually being ranked above GA in the NCAA Uscho Poll supposedly by persons who understand hockey better than me, and the fact the SNC is on home turf that SNC has the edge to win this game. I think the game will be fast paced and will call on both teams to bring their best. Anything can happen in a game like this, but I see it going to SNC.
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
Here Here for the West!!!
No matter who wins I will be cheering for the West at Lake Placid. My money is on SNC for the same reasons stnicx, MW4Bucky&SNC, Toe Blake's Brother, Hammer and westscout pointed out.
Here Here for the West!!!
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
To be fair, most of the voters in the poll haven't seen *either* team play this year.
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
Then what good is the poll? If the poll sets rankings, and playing against ranked teams helps your stats to get better position in the NCAA, how can the poll be honest especially when so much weight is given to it? Is the polling just political and nothing more? Sorry to ask what might seem like a really dumb question. Just don't quite see the whole picture.
Then what good is the poll? If the poll sets rankings, and playing against ranked teams helps your stats to get better position in the NCAA, how can the poll be honest especially when so much weight is given to it? Is the polling just political and nothing more? Sorry to ask what might seem like a really dumb question. Just don't quite see the whole picture.
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
Wrong poll. The NCAA rankings are totally independent of the USCHO poll, and are based on the selection criteria for the tournament
Then what good is the poll? If the poll sets rankings, and playing against ranked teams helps your stats to get better position in the NCAA, how can the poll be honest especially when so much weight is given to it? Is the polling just political and nothing more? Sorry to ask what might seem like a really dumb question. Just don't quite see the whole picture.
Wrong poll. The NCAA rankings are totally independent of the USCHO poll, and are based on the selection criteria for the tournament
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stnicx, great points... keep in mind, the polls are borderline useless. Consider this, the Gusties finally entered the polls after cruising through the MIAC playoffs last year and better yet, I'd love to know where Neumann was ranked before their conference playoffs began.
One to 7, couldn't agree with you more... stats and goaltending can be a joke. A couple of years ago the NHL was trying to implement the only valuable goalie stat. which is... scoring opportunity save %. Today's goalie stats. are team stats., anyway you slice it. I'm a firm believer, in this years (any year) NCAA's the team with the hottest goalie... will go all the way.
Dyce, thanks... I'll take that as a compliment!
Cards Rule, late last night, burp! you said burp! "let them figure it out on the ice" burp!, today you're picking SNC... what's up with that?
MW4Bucky... I know the Cornerstone can be a difficult place to play, I've been there. I watched Gustavus put themselves on your short list of "visitors with victories" by beating your National Championship team. Tomorrow night, that same team (minus Matthew Lopes and Casey Dynan) is going to upset SNC... just like they upset Superior and Stout last year.
stnicx, great points... keep in mind, the polls are borderline useless. Consider this, the Gusties finally entered the polls after cruising through the MIAC playoffs last year and better yet, I'd love to know where Neumann was ranked before their conference playoffs began.
One to 7, couldn't agree with you more... stats and goaltending can be a joke. A couple of years ago the NHL was trying to implement the only valuable goalie stat. which is... scoring opportunity save %. Today's goalie stats. are team stats., anyway you slice it. I'm a firm believer, in this years (any year) NCAA's the team with the hottest goalie... will go all the way.
Dyce, thanks... I'll take that as a compliment!
Cards Rule, late last night, burp! you said burp! "let them figure it out on the ice" burp!, today you're picking SNC... what's up with that?
MW4Bucky... I know the Cornerstone can be a difficult place to play, I've been there. I watched Gustavus put themselves on your short list of "visitors with victories" by beating your National Championship team. Tomorrow night, that same team (minus Matthew Lopes and Casey Dynan) is going to upset SNC... just like they upset Superior and Stout last year.
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
They are a big reason why SNC consistently holds teams to 20 - 25 SOG.
Agreed -- Beware the Pulak Longley, Ryd line
They are a big reason why SNC consistently holds teams to 20 - 25 SOG.
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: Gustavus Adolphus @ SNC - who will represent the west?
Okay, I'm going to entertain this for one more response. You're right, last night I said "Why don't we let them figure is out on the ice?" and today I said:
However, my statement today still acknowledges the fact that anything can happen once the teams are on the ice. If the Gusties do the things listed, they will very likely win. If the Knights do the things listed, they will very likely win. If both do all of the things listed, we will have one HELLUVA game in Wisconsin tomorrow night.
The remainder of my statement, in which I picked SNC, is simply stating that it is a known fact that SNC does those things on a more consistent basis, and so I would put my money behind the Knights if I were in Vegas. However, any gambler knows that there is a significant chance that they may be wrong. I know that I may be wrong, which is why I'm excited to see how things pan out in all four games tomorrow.
So, where is my statement in which I picked SNC different? You simply said that because it happened last year (which is irrelevant this year), and because the NCHA as a whole is weaker this year (which does not necessarily reflect on the talent SNC team), the Gusties will win (and note that you left of the "very likely"qualifier that I intentionally used). Do you see the difference? There is one.
Gonna be one great night of hockey across the DIII world!
Okay, I'm going to entertain this for one more response. You're right, last night I said "Why don't we let them figure is out on the ice?" and today I said:
However, my statement today still acknowledges the fact that anything can happen once the teams are on the ice. If the Gusties do the things listed, they will very likely win. If the Knights do the things listed, they will very likely win. If both do all of the things listed, we will have one HELLUVA game in Wisconsin tomorrow night.
The remainder of my statement, in which I picked SNC, is simply stating that it is a known fact that SNC does those things on a more consistent basis, and so I would put my money behind the Knights if I were in Vegas. However, any gambler knows that there is a significant chance that they may be wrong. I know that I may be wrong, which is why I'm excited to see how things pan out in all four games tomorrow.
So, where is my statement in which I picked SNC different? You simply said that because it happened last year (which is irrelevant this year), and because the NCHA as a whole is weaker this year (which does not necessarily reflect on the talent SNC team), the Gusties will win (and note that you left of the "very likely"qualifier that I intentionally used). Do you see the difference? There is one.
Gonna be one great night of hockey across the DIII world!
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Cards... let's agree based on the admission of one SNC supporter, that yes, the NCHA was a weaker conference this year. So, like you said, "it's a known fact SNC does these things listed on a more consistent basis". My question to you is... AGAINST WHO?
Or, and I know this may be a stretch, but Hamline... who matches up fairly well with GAC, beats up on Adrian during the reg. season, right? Okay, just think for a minute, had Adrian not come out so late, so gun-shy or awestruck or whatever... I feel they could have beaten St. Norbert Wednesday night. Not too far fetched, no? And I'd bet every Bulldog that laced 'em up along with every Bulldog supporter is saying the same exact thing.
The Green Knights are a well coached team and you're right, anything can and usually does happen... but who did SNC play this year? Their sisters in the NCHA? A loss to Salem State and a tie with Hamline.
Last year I was 4 - 0, (St.Thomas, Hamline, Superior, Stout) my hard earned money's on Gustavus.
Best of luck to Platty!!
Cards... let's agree based on the admission of one SNC supporter, that yes, the NCHA was a weaker conference this year. So, like you said, "it's a known fact SNC does these things listed on a more consistent basis". My question to you is... AGAINST WHO?
Or, and I know this may be a stretch, but Hamline... who matches up fairly well with GAC, beats up on Adrian during the reg. season, right? Okay, just think for a minute, had Adrian not come out so late, so gun-shy or awestruck or whatever... I feel they could have beaten St. Norbert Wednesday night. Not too far fetched, no? And I'd bet every Bulldog that laced 'em up along with every Bulldog supporter is saying the same exact thing.
The Green Knights are a well coached team and you're right, anything can and usually does happen... but who did SNC play this year? Their sisters in the NCHA? A loss to Salem State and a tie with Hamline.
Last year I was 4 - 0, (St.Thomas, Hamline, Superior, Stout) my hard earned money's on Gustavus.
Best of luck to Platty!!