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Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!

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Love the country and everyone here, last thing I want to see is it tearing itself apart and I certainly wouldn’t be part of that.

As I thought, talks big, but just a coward at heart. Just like all the gun fellators.
 
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And then the blood of innocent children are on all of our hands. The first time that happens will be the last because the actions will be suspended and all will be for naught.

This is an idiotic sentiment. The nation's streets are ALREADY COVERED IN THE BLOOD OF INNOCENTS! Mass shootings twice in just hours. Another one every week. At least if the bloodshed rids us of idiots who think owning weapons of mass destruction is what the founders intended and that the price we pay for them to fondle weapons capable of shooting dozens of people in 30 seconds is endless bloodshed, I say its probably time to bring that on. We dropped atom bombs on Japan, killing tens of thousands in the blink of an eye supposedly to prevent millions of Japanese and Americans dying later on. At this point I'm ready to justify anything to end this pointless loss of life.

At the end of the day it does not matter. Nothing is changing. republicans in the U.S. Senate will see to that. republicans in many statehouses will see to it on a state level. And even the occasional conservative voter who might be willing to accept some minor changes to improve safety will not let it happen, because they will never vote their member of congress or senator out of office. Lather, rinse, repeat. The only way I see this changing, and I mean the ONLY way, is if one of these nutbars was able to somehow infiltrate the Capitol building when they were in session and managed to mow down 40 or 50 of them. That might be enough of a shock to the system to wake people up to how horrible a nation we've become. But since all those republicans who want to allow Billy Joe Bob to own an assault rifle that can fire a hundred rounds in as many seconds have done a pretty good job o keeping those guns a mile away from THEIR place of employment, don't hold your breath.
 
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And then the blood of innocent children are on all of our hands. The first time that happens will be the last because the actions will be suspended and all will be for naught.

(repeating the sentiment how stupid this comment is)

Compared to the innocent children that have died so far as we have done nothing. If some moron wants to sacrifice his kid vs. letting hundreds more die- sacrifice the few for the many- or something like that Spock said.

We can't use stupid excuses to not do something about people ALREADY DYING.
 
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There is a difference between actively taking a role in the killing of children and knowing that it happens by doing nothing. If you don't believe me, look at how the quickly government changed its standards after those Branch Davidians and such during the 90s vs. the slow response of government to these killings taking place between civilians.

To ignore this basic tenet is to act with blinders.
 
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We can't be held hostage by the worst among us. Make the case clearly at the ballot box: we are for gun control, they are not. Over 90% of the public favors some form of gun control that is already more strict than what we have now because over 90% of the public are not psychotic as-shats.

The NRA is a smoking ruin of Russian corruption. Now is the time to kill it and return guns to the status of just any other issue. The gun snowflakes no longer have significant influence outside their Republican basement whack-off sessions. Tie the two together and drive them both into the sea.
 
We can't be held hostage by the worst among us. Make the case clearly at the ballot box: we are for gun control, they are not. Over 90% of the public favors some form of gun control that is already more strict than what we have now because over 90% of the public are not psychotic as-shats.

The NRA is a smoking ruin of Russian corruption. Now is the time to kill it and return guns to the status of just any other issue. The gun snowflakes no longer have significant influence outside their Republican basement whack-off sessions. Tie the two together and drive them both into the sea.

That’s not really true. When gun control has actually been on the ballot it’s pretty close to 50/50. Need some new ideas on gun control that everyone can get behind and not the same recycled nonsense.
 
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That’s not really true. When gun control has actually been on the ballot it’s pretty close to 50/50. Need some new ideas on gun control that everyone can get behind and not the same recycled nonsense.

Does the corpse of the NRA have the budget to run a fear campaign across the nation though? That is a big part in how close past votes have been.
 
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That’s not really true. When gun control has actually been on the ballot it’s pretty close to 50/50. Need some new ideas on gun control that everyone can get behind and not the same recycled nonsense.

That has been the power of the NRA to intimidate Democrats and push the GOP over the top.

Those days may well be gone. Slavery had its day, too. Things change. Societies grow up. Unevenly... and the hindmost are always a problem. But decade after decade the Dummies have been gradually receding since the first liberal freak swung down from the trees.
 
Does the corpse of the NRA have the budget to run a fear campaign across the nation though? That is a big part in how close past votes have been.

FWIW, when the background check bill was on the ballot in Maine Bloomberg spent $6MM and NRA only spent $1MM. The vote was 52-48 against in an election Hillary won 52-48.
 
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If they decide to hole up if the government says give up the guns and it turns into a Branch Dividian ending...so be it.
At this point...**** em.

No. What the hell is wrong with you. That is the ridiculous rhetoric I hate that Israelis use to justify innocent death. You do not justify innocent death in response to innocent death. Dont they teach basic logic at SCCC? Two wrongs NEVER make a right.
 
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It’s terrible.

But what it means is we’re letting extreme right determine what happens and I’m sick of it. ESP when people complain daily about candidates mentioning universal health care.

That doesnt mean you kill innocent people. Then you are no better than they are. Hell you are one step away from yelling something like "Murica F YEAH!" Being on the right side of the issue doesnt make it ok to do evil deeds.
 
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That doesnt mean you kill innocent people.

Nobody is saying kill innocent people.

Here's what we're saying: pass sane laws and limit guns like every other civilized nation. Full stop.

Rube raised the point that we can't do that here because the Far Right will break into open violence. That's not a reason not to do right. "My god, man. You can't enforce the law! What will the criminals think?!"

If Rube is right and the snowflakes actually come down from their meth shacks as terrorists, then we do what we do with terrorists: we blow them away. And if they split the difference and take their brats and their chattel brood sows off to some Prairie Compound to fondle their firearms, I say let them. There's where we Build the Wall. Come back in a year and they'll have removed the problem themselves. Hopeful the ten or fifteen combined intelligent children of all the Republicans in this country will hide long enough that our rescue parties will reach them in time but if not, well, it's a big gene pool.

But that's not going to happen. The Right are by their very nature cowards and they will do nothing. They will whine and jerk off into their Confederate Flags at night. Whatever. Mexican entrepreneurs will need cheap unskilled labor for the fields. Cotton aint gonna pick itself.
 
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Civil War II fantasies aside, the place to fix this is in the courts. It is perfectly reasonable to regulate guns and not run afoul of a sane interpretation of the 2A. We did that through the entire history of this nation up until the 1980s. Then the arms lobby exploited the culture wars to pump their sales and the Gun Gropers lost their minds.

We can protect the right of people to own a handgun while banning semi-automatic weapons and all the ancillary devices that turn them into military grade weapons. You have a right to free speech too but you don't have a right to an amplifier than puts out the ears of everyone within 10 miles.

We are decades away from that. You go to court it will last until the next election cycle at best. Until gun owners start doing the right thing (so...never) and start actively supporting gun legislation and voting out those that dont (which they dont...ever) it is a moot point.

You need to get over this belief we can go back to the Halcyon Days. We have gone past the point of no return here. No Republican will support any common sense publicly and no law with any teeth will ever pass. The Court will never do the right thing either, and even if it does the Gun Lovers will just find a different way around it. Until the Gun Rapers move back to sanity they lose all rights for 2A. If they want to form a militia over it fine...

These arent Reagan Republicans looking to make a profit and laugh at the plebes. These are people who were so afraid of Barack Obama they bought guns by the truckload. Not Al Sharpton, not Malcolm X...BARACK OBAMA! Bernie Sanders is almost as Black as him. This is not some small cult in the mountains of Idaho with a "Dont Tread on Me" flag...this is 30% of the country that controls a major political party.
 
That doesnt mean you kill innocent people. Then you are no better than they are. Hell you are one step away from yelling something like "Murica F YEAH!" Being on the right side of the issue doesnt make it ok to do evil deeds.

I wasn’t saying bomb women and kids. I was saying we’re being held hostage because we can’t drop bombs like that
 
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Nobody is saying kill innocent people.

Here's what we're saying: pass sane laws and limit guns like every other civilized nation. Full stop.

Rube raised the point that we can't do that here because the Far Right will break into open violence. That's not a reason not to do right. "My god, man. You can't enforce the law! What will the criminals think?!"

My prediction is the Right are by their very nature cowards and they will do nothing.

If Rube is right and the snowflakes actually come down from their meth shacks as terrorists, then we do what we do with terrorists: we blow them away. And if they split the difference and take their brats and their chattel brood sows off to some Prairie Compound to fondle their firearms, I say let them. There's where we Build the Wall. Come back in a year and they'll have removed the problem themselves. Hopeful the ten or fifteen intelligent children of Republicans will hide long enough that our rescue parties will reach them in time but if not, well, it's a big gene pool.

Really cause that is LITERALLY what they said.

If they decide to hole up if the government says give up the guns and it turns into a Branch Dividian ending...so be it.
At this point...**** em.

Read the posts being responded too. FTLT is flat out saying it doesnt matter if there are innocents kill em all and let god sort them out. That isnt restricting 2A that is going in guns blazing like some second rate action film. And when challenged they doubled down.

And then the blood of innocent children are on all of our hands. The first time that happens will be the last because the actions will be suspended and all will be for naught.

Guilt trip all you want.
I'm done caring what these people think.
When their right to a gun overrides others right to live...i no longer care if they get culled from the herd.
The guns are the problem...they don't care about the lives of others...i no longer care about theirs.

I am on record...go after the guns. If the Gun Rapers open fire then let justice be done. Indiscriminate killing will ALWAYS be wrong no matter who does it.
 
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I am on record...go after the guns. If the Gun Rapers open fire then let justice be done. Indiscriminate killing will ALWAYS be wrong no matter who does it.

I would say 99% of us will agree with that. BTW, didn't the Branch Dravidians go down because they were guilty of child abuse and the feds were trying to rescue the kids? That's not exactly "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
 
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