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Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
There is a violent wing of Antifa who are the things you are talking about. You are falling for the deliberate right wing nut smear campaign that is desperate to paint all anti-fascists as that.
You're doing the equivalent of calling all Pro Lifers terrorists because some loons sent bombs to abortion doctors.
There is a violent wing of Antifa who are the things you are talking about. You are falling for the deliberate right wing nut smear campaign that is desperate to paint all anti-fascists as that.
You're doing the equivalent of calling all Pro Lifers terrorists because some loons sent bombs to abortion doctors.
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
Antifa is specifically violent. They are separate from the far left. There IS a distinction.
Antifa is specifically violent. They are separate from the far left. There IS a distinction.
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Using the extreme, I see. The threat of violence is violent itself.
Using the extreme, I see. The threat of violence is violent itself.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
No. Antifa is specifically direct action. Direct action can be violent or non-violent. For that matter, violence is a spectrum: vandalism and sabotage are "violence." Gandhi and King were direct action. Harming people is not inherently anti-fascist -- quite the contrary, inf act, which is why someone can be Antifa and also not support violence unless it is in self-defense.
Here's the thing, Rube. I am the far left. I support Antifa up to using violence in self-defense against fascist violence. And I know a sh-tload more about this than a guy whose experience consists of listening to people argle bargle on political radio or local news reporters running stories like "is your dog's collar a threat to national security?!"
There are two essentially characteristics of Antifa:
1. Opposition to fascists.
2. The willingness to get off your as-s and do something rather than just complain and hope somebody else does.
C'est tout. So please educate yourself and stop sounding like Reefer Madness.
No. Antifa is specifically direct action. Direct action can be violent or non-violent. For that matter, violence is a spectrum: vandalism and sabotage are "violence." Gandhi and King were direct action. Harming people is not inherently anti-fascist -- quite the contrary, inf act, which is why someone can be Antifa and also not support violence unless it is in self-defense.
Here's the thing, Rube. I am the far left. I support Antifa up to using violence in self-defense against fascist violence. And I know a sh-tload more about this than a guy whose experience consists of listening to people argle bargle on political radio or local news reporters running stories like "is your dog's collar a threat to national security?!"
There are two essentially characteristics of Antifa:
1. Opposition to fascists.
2. The willingness to get off your as-s and do something rather than just complain and hope somebody else does.
C'est tout. So please educate yourself and stop sounding like Reefer Madness.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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I'd say the same about you. When it comes to self-defense, anything goes, IMO. However, starting an incident is a different matter. There were reports of Antifa cutting media cords so as not to cover the right wingers' rallies, and well, that's kinda illegal. And to say "We'll do whatever it takes, no matter what" to stop the ultra right...that makes them just as bad as the ultra right. Two wrongs do not make a right.
I'd say the same about you. When it comes to self-defense, anything goes, IMO. However, starting an incident is a different matter. There were reports of Antifa cutting media cords so as not to cover the right wingers' rallies, and well, that's kinda illegal. And to say "We'll do whatever it takes, no matter what" to stop the ultra right...that makes them just as bad as the ultra right. Two wrongs do not make a right.
aparch
Well-known member
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
Oh, come on. The Lorax doesn't mean he's a moonbat. The rest of it does.
Oh, come on. The Lorax doesn't mean he's a moonbat. The rest of it does.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
Which is why it's possible to support the movement without supporting everything every single person calling themselves Antifa does
There's no central bat phone where everyone is coordinating everything. They're basically the French underground. Membership is, "hey, I'm gonna call myself Antifa, now!" There's no secret handshake. There are a thousand different cells and some of them are sociopaths and some of them are lame cafe philosophers (like me) and most of them are the lump in the middle of all standard distributions, and they wouldn't harm somebody until some Charlottesville f-ckwit runs somebody down with their car and then that's a different matter.
Antifa : fascists :: Occupy : Plutes
Which is why it's possible to support the movement without supporting everything every single person calling themselves Antifa does
There's no central bat phone where everyone is coordinating everything. They're basically the French underground. Membership is, "hey, I'm gonna call myself Antifa, now!" There's no secret handshake. There are a thousand different cells and some of them are sociopaths and some of them are lame cafe philosophers (like me) and most of them are the lump in the middle of all standard distributions, and they wouldn't harm somebody until some Charlottesville f-ckwit runs somebody down with their car and then that's a different matter.
Antifa : fascists :: Occupy : Plutes
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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The Lorax was f-cking awesome.
Oh, come on. The Lorax doesn't mean he's a moonbat. The rest of it does.
The Lorax was f-cking awesome.
aparch
Well-known member
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
*deep breath*
*another deep breath*
*another deep breath*
Look, AntiFa is NOT an organized "leftist group." Antifa isn't an "organized group of counter-violent activists." Antifa is literally ANTI-FASCIST. Meaning anyone left of the Nazi-Right can be labeled as Antifa. Let's take a look at the recent Antifa bill that senators Bill Cassidy (R-LA) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) have just proposed.
There is not an organized antifa group, but those who "resist" fascism can be labeled antifa and thus criminalized under this bill. People like Kepler, Scooby, myself even, could be caught up in the blanket "resistance = antifa" label.
*edit* For the record, the reporter referenced multiple times in that bill, Andy Ngo? He's an ultra-conservative "journalist" who likes to embed himself into far left groups knowing he's provoking them.
*deep breath*
*another deep breath*
*another deep breath*
Look, AntiFa is NOT an organized "leftist group." Antifa isn't an "organized group of counter-violent activists." Antifa is literally ANTI-FASCIST. Meaning anyone left of the Nazi-Right can be labeled as Antifa. Let's take a look at the recent Antifa bill that senators Bill Cassidy (R-LA) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) have just proposed.
There is not an organized antifa group, but those who "resist" fascism can be labeled antifa and thus criminalized under this bill. People like Kepler, Scooby, myself even, could be caught up in the blanket "resistance = antifa" label.
*edit* For the record, the reporter referenced multiple times in that bill, Andy Ngo? He's an ultra-conservative "journalist" who likes to embed himself into far left groups knowing he's provoking them.
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And I recognize the false labeling. Scooby, you, Kep, are NOT anti-fa. Not in the least. You may be far left, but you are definitely NOT part of that group.
And I recognize the false labeling. Scooby, you, Kep, are NOT anti-fa. Not in the least. You may be far left, but you are definitely NOT part of that group.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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True, I just thought it was funny. This guy is probably a classic survivalist/live off the land, sovereign citizen, Northern Idaho type of far-righty. He's Randy Weaver without the crazy religious nutball of a wife.
Oh, come on. The Lorax doesn't mean he's a moonbat. The rest of it does.
True, I just thought it was funny. This guy is probably a classic survivalist/live off the land, sovereign citizen, Northern Idaho type of far-righty. He's Randy Weaver without the crazy religious nutball of a wife.
aparch
Well-known member
Re: Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They’re trying to criminalize dissent. Read the bill. They use the terms “antifa”, “affiliated with antifa”, and “left-wing activists” interchangeably. <br><br>They want to call you a terrorist for opposing the Trump administration too strongly or loudly. <a href="https://t.co/SM6YciU82n">https://t.co/SM6YciU82n</a></p>— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) <a href="https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1152255860426625025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They’re trying to criminalize dissent. Read the bill. They use the terms “antifa”, “affiliated with antifa”, and “left-wing activists” interchangeably. <br><br>They want to call you a terrorist for opposing the Trump administration too strongly or loudly. <a href="https://t.co/SM6YciU82n">https://t.co/SM6YciU82n</a></p>— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) <a href="https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1152255860426625025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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yah note to self.... "steer clear of walmart while back in the states"
yah note to self.... "steer clear of walmart while back in the states"
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That's my general rule overall. Once in the last, I dunno, 15 years? And that was one too many. Had no choice, though. Shopko was closed (bankrupt).
yah note to self.... "steer clear of walmart while back in the states"
That's my general rule overall. Once in the last, I dunno, 15 years? And that was one too many. Had no choice, though. Shopko was closed (bankrupt).
Fighting Sioux 23
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It sounds like you have a different definition of antifa than most.
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