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Guns For Everyone!: Another Mass Shooting!

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I take exception to Alaska being called Canada without any of the benefits of actually being a part of Canada. Ya know like health care or a competent national leader.

But we're going to get our whole PFD! :D
 
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I would have no issue with the Second Amendment being Constitutionally modified to read " ... to keep and bear personal firearms shall not ... "

Take the tanks and grenades non-sense out of the conversations. (And I'm already on record saying I'm fine with bans on fully automatic firearms.)
 
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It says: "a well regulated militia."

Also known as the National Guard.

The second amendment isn't for you or I.
 
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It says: "a well regulated militia."

Also known as the National Guard.

The second amendment isn't for you or I.

The definition of the word at the time it was written matters. At that time the Minutemen (no, not UMass) were militia under their definition. Minutemen were independent civilians.

Frankly, would the National Guard of today be viewed as a "standing army" (more than two year appropriations) by the framers is an equally debatable question.
 
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And I'm already on record saying I'm fine with bans on fully automatic firearms.)

Irrelevant at this point when a semi-auto can do almost as much damage in the same amount of time. All it takes is a slight modification that just about anyone with any sort of mechanical aptitude can accomplish in an afternoon.

So tired of all of the centrist ideas that accomplish nothing.
 
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Irrelevant at this point when a semi-auto can do almost as much damage in the same amount of time. All it takes is a slight modification that just about anyone with any sort of mechanical aptitude can accomplish in an afternoon.

What you've described is the firearm has been illegally modified to a full automatic.
 
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What you've described is the firearm has been illegally modified to a full automatic.

Yes. That's one scenario. It's also too easy using just a semi-auto or a couple of them to inflict massive damage on a lot of people. Anything with "auto" in the name has to go.
 
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Having lived in upstate NY for a period of time, and seeing what folks knew/understood about geography, that's eerily accurate.

Except nobody in NYC can correctly place Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse relative to each other, and nobody has heard of Binghamton unless they've taken a train through it to get somewhere else.
 
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Yes. That's one scenario. It's also too easy using just a semi-auto or a couple of them to inflict massive damage on a lot of people. Anything with "auto" in the name has to go.

A semi-automatic under one trigger actuation fires a round and presents the next round for firing by the next full actuation of the trigger. (One trigger pull, one round.)

Revolvers would be illegal as they are semi-automatic.

dmx's trap shooting shotgun (depending on model) might be illegal under such rules.
 
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A semi-automatic under one trigger actuation fires a round and presents the next round for firing by the next full actuation of the trigger. (One trigger pull, one round.)

Revolvers would be illegal as they are semi-automatic.

dmx's trap shooting shotgun (depending on model) might be illegal under such rules.

And round and round we go. Meanwhile the bodies just keep piling up.
 
The definition of the word at the time it was written matters. At that time the Minutemen (no, not UMass) were militia under their definition. Minutemen were independent civilians.

Frankly, would the National Guard of today be viewed as a "standing army" (more than two year appropriations) by the framers is an equally debatable question.

Right, they were independant civilians who signed up to participate in organized military practice. They were not paid professional military men (ie: Redcoats, modern US Military). It wasn't every citizen with a shed filled with guns and ammo pretending to be a hero either.

I do agree with the argument on today's modern National Guard, but even though there are "career" National Guard members, they're not career in the same way US Military members are. Modern guardsmen still hold civilian jobs while also "employed" by the guard.
 
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The definition of the word at the time it was written matters. At that time the Minutemen (no, not UMass) were militia under their definition. Minutemen were independent civilians.

Frankly, would the National Guard of today be viewed as a "standing army" (more than two year appropriations) by the framers is an equally debatable question.

The definition of what word - "militia"? Even if that stands you can't ignore "well regulated" and there's nothing "well regulated" with regard to personal firearms ownership in this country.
 
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Could the Framers fathom a national system to which you must be verified before you purchase a firearm? Seems purchase (precursor to legal ownership) is "well regulated". To legally carry concealed in my State there are conditions and criteria to be met. Seems "well regulated".

The Framers were well aware they couldn't envision every future possibility and we will agree to disagree that the overall spectrum gun ownership governance is "well regulated". Both of which deflect from the full phrase, "well regulated militia". 2 parts - 1 whole.
 
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