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Great Lakes Invitational?
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No they traded the C for the W.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
After they traded the W for the C. Wouldn't it be easier if you stopped using a double standard and just admitted Michigan Tech was the original traitor?
After they traded the W for the C. Wouldn't it be easier if you stopped using a double standard and just admitted Michigan Tech was the original traitor?
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Tech played in the WCHA (and it's predecessors) from 1949-1981. Then it left the WCHA to join the CCHA, where it played for 3 seasons before returning to the WCHA for the 84-85 season. Buy why let the facts into it.
Biddco
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Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
I'll always hold that grudge against them for that move. Chicken **** if you ask me.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
the difference dirty, is that Tech didn't go out and recruit 3 or 4 or 5 other teams to leave with them. Now that would be unethical.!
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
Just because no one would follow Tech in their fool's errand does not make it any less treacherous.
Also you quoted my sidekick there, sport.
Just because no one would follow Tech in their fool's errand does not make it any less treacherous.
Also you quoted my sidekick there, sport.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
So you are saying that Tech did try to get other teams to go with it when they left. I have no problem with UND or anyone else doing what's best for them, but you know secretly recruiting others strikes me as pretty low. and so what.
So you are saying that Tech did try to get other teams to go with it when they left. I have no problem with UND or anyone else doing what's best for them, but you know secretly recruiting others strikes me as pretty low. and so what.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
So what would the ideal situation have been? A 18 team WCHA? A 11 team WCHA and 7 team CCHA?
So what would the ideal situation have been? A 18 team WCHA? A 11 team WCHA and 7 team CCHA?
Weren't North Dakota and Denver up front all along about their plans. Didn't St Cloud come out and admit they were looking around? I'm sure they never spoke of their commitment to the WCHA.
alger wetmore
New member
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
FWIW: The whole thing is about the Big Ten being greedy. They couldn't stand having Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State being the three largest attendance programs in the CCHA. And they couldn't stand having Minnesota and Wisconsin being two of the largest programs in the old WCHA. They had to form a league, especially with a new Penn State program and a successful Big 10 network. To heck with old rivals, fairness, commitments- it means nothing-only money to them!
And so it set off a mad scramble to form new leagues-just like in DIV. I football.
FWIW: The whole thing is about the Big Ten being greedy. They couldn't stand having Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State being the three largest attendance programs in the CCHA. And they couldn't stand having Minnesota and Wisconsin being two of the largest programs in the old WCHA. They had to form a league, especially with a new Penn State program and a successful Big 10 network. To heck with old rivals, fairness, commitments- it means nothing-only money to them!
And so it set off a mad scramble to form new leagues-just like in DIV. I football.
JohnsonsJerseys
Michigan Tech Fan
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
I don't blame the BI6 for forming a conference once State Penn formed a team it was only natural to expect a BI6 conference. If another 5 GLIAC schools suddenly had D-I hockey teams I would expect Tech to join the GLIAC hockey conference whether it was the best option for them or not. What I would not support is Tech creating a new conference from scratch simply to balance some imagined "power struggle" in college hockey.
Had the BI6 formed and everyone stayed as they were it would have left the WCHA with 10 solid teams and the CCHA a bit smaller with 8 teams. Both would have been on solid ground WITH ROOM TO EXPAND. This would have been the best for college hockey in general. Both conferences would have been in a position to allow for small movements within college hockey or hopefully the creation of a couple new programs with conferences eager to add them to the fold. Who is to say that the CCHA wouldn't have grabbed a couple AH schools who wanted to offer more scholarships and left spaces in AH for programs who wanted to start out on a lower budget?
After this whole shuffle all we ended up with was a new BI6 conference which is all but closed to new members, unless they come from the current BI6 programs. The NCHC has also made it clear they want no part of new/small programs either so you can count them out of expansion other than to poach teams from some other conference. So that wipes the CCHA clean off the map and leaves the WCHA in gridlock as I'm sure they won't be in a hurry to go to 14 teams and based on past history they have no interest in holding an odd number of teams in their ranks if there is no short term plan to even it out.
As for St Cloud they came off looking nearly as bad as UND and DU, save for the fact that they were not on the initial invite list. When they got snubbed, they came out and said the WCHA was the best fit for them... Of course then Notre Dame left the NCHC with their hockey stick dangling in the wind as the golden domers ran off to join HE and suddenly SCSU was a "must have / perfect fit" for the NCHC. Then SCSU couldn't distance themselves from the WCHA fast enough.
I hope the NCHC was a money grab because they are going to spend it all on travel. If that is what they wanted, fine by me. If they go the route of the CHA in another 5 years and blow it up when half of the "winners" become bottom feeders and are tired of being doormats, that's fine by me too. They can live the UAH independent life for a couple years and see how much money that makes them.
Ryan J
I don't blame the BI6 for forming a conference once State Penn formed a team it was only natural to expect a BI6 conference. If another 5 GLIAC schools suddenly had D-I hockey teams I would expect Tech to join the GLIAC hockey conference whether it was the best option for them or not. What I would not support is Tech creating a new conference from scratch simply to balance some imagined "power struggle" in college hockey.
Had the BI6 formed and everyone stayed as they were it would have left the WCHA with 10 solid teams and the CCHA a bit smaller with 8 teams. Both would have been on solid ground WITH ROOM TO EXPAND. This would have been the best for college hockey in general. Both conferences would have been in a position to allow for small movements within college hockey or hopefully the creation of a couple new programs with conferences eager to add them to the fold. Who is to say that the CCHA wouldn't have grabbed a couple AH schools who wanted to offer more scholarships and left spaces in AH for programs who wanted to start out on a lower budget?
After this whole shuffle all we ended up with was a new BI6 conference which is all but closed to new members, unless they come from the current BI6 programs. The NCHC has also made it clear they want no part of new/small programs either so you can count them out of expansion other than to poach teams from some other conference. So that wipes the CCHA clean off the map and leaves the WCHA in gridlock as I'm sure they won't be in a hurry to go to 14 teams and based on past history they have no interest in holding an odd number of teams in their ranks if there is no short term plan to even it out.
As for St Cloud they came off looking nearly as bad as UND and DU, save for the fact that they were not on the initial invite list. When they got snubbed, they came out and said the WCHA was the best fit for them... Of course then Notre Dame left the NCHC with their hockey stick dangling in the wind as the golden domers ran off to join HE and suddenly SCSU was a "must have / perfect fit" for the NCHC. Then SCSU couldn't distance themselves from the WCHA fast enough.
I hope the NCHC was a money grab because they are going to spend it all on travel. If that is what they wanted, fine by me. If they go the route of the CHA in another 5 years and blow it up when half of the "winners" become bottom feeders and are tired of being doormats, that's fine by me too. They can live the UAH independent life for a couple years and see how much money that makes them.
Ryan J
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
No, no, no. That would make those AH teams traitors.
The NCHC also tried to recruit BC, BU and Notre Dame.Only to get rejected. So WMU and St Cloud all of sudden fit the NCHC.
MTU didn't form their own league and steal members from an existing league. When the NCHC formed theWCHA was left with four teams basically almost forcing the WCHA to possibly folding.
Those teams that left were backstabbers to the remaining WCHA members.
Now that is a traitor.
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Dirty
#BanBiddy
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What you're really saying here is that UND and DU just improved upon what Michigan Tech started and that without Michigan Tech, along with Michigan and Michigan State, laying the groundwork in the early 1980's, UND and DU would not have even considered or even known how to go about leaving the WCHA. So really, Michigan Tech is probably to blame for all of this. I say they have their GLI co-host title striped and they be kicked out of the tournament as punishment for their blatant malfeasance.
What you're really saying here is that UND and DU just improved upon what Michigan Tech started and that without Michigan Tech, along with Michigan and Michigan State, laying the groundwork in the early 1980's, UND and DU would not have even considered or even known how to go about leaving the WCHA. So really, Michigan Tech is probably to blame for all of this. I say they have their GLI co-host title striped and they be kicked out of the tournament as punishment for their blatant malfeasance.
Come on get real. You know Faison and Gwoz had this new league planned without even having six teams committed to joining.
They begged BU and BC to join and got rejection,
Then waited for Notre Dame to answer and only got an answer machine.
WMU begged to get in. St Cloud was then in by default.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Yes, they did. It wasn't until the boosters kept questioning SCSU's committment to playing "the best" that their Jan Brady "me too!" attitude got the best of them. Also, Notre Dame's feet dragging accellerated the selection of SCSU and WMU by the NCHC.
WMU was doing a pretty good job of whoring themselves out too considering they were sitting on a WCHA invite, the whole time promoting their "Why Western" campaign for the NCHC.
Lawson_lunatic27
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manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
Having thought about it dirty, you are totally correct. ! Now, do you feel better.? Or maybe you can be like op and blame obama.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Great Lakes Invitational?
In hindsight, it looks like it is working out for St. Cloud. On their way to their second straight conference title.
Meanwhile in the U.P., the Northern Michigan and Tech fans are still crying in their beers about being "deserted" and waiting for their team to win some hardware for the first time since the internet became popular.
In hindsight, it looks like it is working out for St. Cloud. On their way to their second straight conference title.
Meanwhile in the U.P., the Northern Michigan and Tech fans are still crying in their beers about being "deserted" and waiting for their team to win some hardware for the first time since the internet became popular.