Grand Unified Election Thread 2: What is the difference between Biden and Dump?

[Kepler]

I got a direct deposit...but I am also a Jew so we got paid out first!

We need to talk about Steve Guttenberg.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Who makes Steve Guttenberg a staaaaaar?

 

[JF_Gophers]

People are just now getting those IRS checks? Must be mailed ones. We got ours in December.

 

[Swansong]

I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


The mind boggles.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


The mind boggles.

Yes.

They honestly believe that what Schumer, Pelosi, AOC, and Bernie are doing every day is the real crime. Trump is their savior.

 

[Drew S.]

I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


The mind boggles.

I think there were a lot of different agendas. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the vast majority of the folks were mad about the protests over the summer and thought they were doing the same thing. The people who wanted to do some serious damage probably didn’t expect to make it out.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

A couple days ago near me cops chased some guy driving erratically and would up wrecking a few cruisers, hurting a bunch of police officers, and killing two completely innocent people. We need a lot of reforms as far as they go.

The only thing that matters there is the two innocent people. Police chases are unjustified nearly every time the cops undertake them. Couldn't care less about a couple of smashed cars or hurt cops because the cops probably should have not been involved in a chase. But nothing will change. Even too many progressive people don't seem to understand how urgent the need to blow up the entire system of policing and just start over. We can't train or sue our way out of it. Police lawsuits have been responsible for billions of dollars paid out to plaintiffs and no amount of training can remove the cowboy, shoot 'em up mentality of 90% of cops out there.

 

[MissThundercat]

Yes.

They honestly believe that what Schumer, Pelosi, AOC, and Bernie are doing every day is the real crime. Trump is their savior.

I've asked if they'd cry "censorship" if AOC, Bernie, et al had their Twitter accounts revoked. Response? Silence.

I've asked why there was no call of "censorship" when Trump tried to ban TikTok. Silence.

 

[SJHovey]

I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


The mind boggles.

This is my own assessment, right or wrong.

I'd guess that out of every 1000 people who attended that rally and then walked down to the Capitol, probably 975 of them were people, if you asked them two weeks ago whether they could ever see themselves as part of a mob that would break into the locked Capitol building for purposes of seizing the VP and Speaker, their response would be something like, "What are you talking about???"

But maybe 25 out of each 1000 probably did believe they were going to be able to do exactly what you suggested. These were the idiots clearly identified by the dead raccoons on their head carrying spears, etc... Those people live in a bizarre fantasy world that physically looks a lot like their mom's basement, but in their minds is some sort of Call of Duty world. How they got that point is anybody's guess, and probably has as many different variations as there are people.

You put people into a mob, people are going to make decisions and do things they never would have dreamed of doing on their own 24 hours before. Between Trump and the other speakers winding them up, the 100 or so idiots who showed up for war, and the frenzy of the mob, it's very easy to see how it could happen even though to someone watching from afar the only reaction is, "what are these people thinking?"

 

[MichVandal]

This is my own assessment, right or wrong.

I'd guess that out of every 1000 people who attended that rally and then walked down to the Capitol, probably 975 of them were people, if you asked them two weeks ago whether they could ever see themselves as part of a mob that would break into the locked Capitol building for purposes of seizing the VP and Speaker, their response would be something like, "What are you talking about???"

But maybe 25 out of each 1000 probably did believe they were going to be able to do exactly what you suggested. These were the idiots clearly identified by the dead raccoons on their head carrying spears, etc... Those people live in a bizarre fantasy world that physically looks a lot like their mom's basement, but in their minds is some sort of Call of Duty world. How they got that point is anybody's guess, and probably has as many different variations as there are people.

You put people into a mob, people are going to make decisions and do things they never would have dreamed of doing on their own 24 hours before. Between Trump and the other speakers winding them up, the 100 or so idiots who showed up for war, and the frenzy of the mob, it's very easy to see how it could happen even though to someone watching from afar the only reaction is, "what are these people thinking?"

The problem is that the 975 are enabling the 25. Not once did I see anyone pull the mob back. Not once did I see a significant group of people run away once the Capitol building was breached. In contrast, there was lots of cheering from the masses (presumably made up of the 975) when the attacks really got going.

Let alone, the masses of people at the original rallies embolden people who think violence is the correct answer.

So while they factually did not partake, they were completely complicit. Just like the president.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Don't show up at the airport expecting to check your firearms if you are on a Delta flight to the D.C. area. They will not allow it. Hopefully every other airline follows suit.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I have a rule of thumb:

If I see someone with a camp auschwitz hoodie at something I’m participating in, I leave immediately and take a week off to re-evaluate my life’s decisions.

 

[MichVandal]

I think there were a lot of different agendas. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the vast majority of the folks were mad about the protests over the summer and thought they were doing the same thing. The people who wanted to do some serious damage probably didn’t expect to make it out.

Two things- by now, all of them with any brains know that the final lawful decision to have overturned the election had long past. And yet they enabled the violence (see my previous post).

And second, if they honestly didn't think they would make it out- the body armor and the handcuffs make zero sense. No, they fully expected to make this work- perhaps because of alleged help from the cops and/or perhaps the alleged help via Congress members.

The irony of them pretending that this was to preserve the Constitution is rich....

 

[Kepler]

I have a rule of thumb:

If I see someone with a camp auschwitz hoodie at something I’m participating in, I leave immediately and take a week off to re-evaluate my life’s decisions.

You'd make a pretty soft Eagles fan.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

The people who wanted to do some serious damage probably didn’t expect to make it out.

Naa, MAGAts are too cowardly to be suicide bombers. Just like their dear leader didn't have the courage to actually march with them to the Capitol building, instead retreating to his bunkers in the White House. The plan for the people in there who were active participants in the parts of the coup that failed clearly had them coming out, triumphant, and with either hostages or confirmed kills.

 

[SJHovey]

The problem is that the 975 are enabling the 25. Not once did I see anyone pull the mob back. Not once did I see a significant group of people run away once the Capitol building was breached. In contrast, there was lots of cheering from the masses (presumably made up of the 975) when the attacks really got going.

Let alone, the masses of people at the original rallies embolden people who think violence is the correct answer.

So while they factually did not partake, they were completely complicit. Just like the president.

Well, factually they did participate, so they're certainly complicit. I guess what I was trying to convey is that in answer to Swan's question, I think that a small percentage of those people who traveled to D.C. did actually think they were going to storm the Capitol and take over the government, but it was a very small percent. The rest thought they were going to a protest rally. But between the words of the speakers and the actions of the few Call of Duty types, it didn't take long for mob mentality to take over and in they went.

 

[Kepler]

I know this rhetorical question has been asked a zillion times, but I just don't understand what these seditionists thought was going to happen?

Did they truly and honestly believe they could travel to DC, storm the Capitol Building, install a un-elected President, travel home and then go to work on Monday?


The mind boggles.

My theory. The Plan was provoke massive carnage, involve (or blame) Antifa, and have Dump effectively suspend the Constitution while claiming to be protecting it while the Republican party gives political cover and elements in the military and law enforcement hold the power of coercion. That's how coups happen.

Now, this strategy needs major casualties to feed fear of left wing terrorism in all those red counties. That strongly implies the initial wave of DC rioters needs to be cut down in a violent clash with local police, adversarial protesters, and even troops. They were sacrificial dupes. Which, obviously, they were not told.

So there were two levels to this, at least. The dopey Timothy McVeigh guys we all saw on the news were supposed to get slaughtered by the Big Bad (OH NOES TEH SOCIALISTS!!!11! or The State or The Globalists of whatever idiocy the right is pooting this week). Then the command and control level of guys like Cruz and Hawley and guys we'll never hear of unless there is a thorough investigation (cough FedSoc). There is an implied third level: derps like Gaetz and Goser and Susie Q and, for that matter, Dump, preened as the brain trust but were public-facing cattle to shove in front of cameras and absorb the heat if things went sideways.

Which, happily for the world, they did.

But The Plan was sound. The Plan could have worked.

 

[MichVandal]

My theory. The Plan was provoke massive carnage, involve (or blame) Antifa, and have Dump effectively suspend the Constitution while claiming to be protecting it while the Republican party gives political cover and elements in the military and law enforcement hold the power of coercion. That's how coups happen.

Now, this strategy needs major casualties to feed fear of left wing terrorism in all those red counties. That strongly implies the initial wave of DC rioters needs to be cut down in a violent clash with local police, adversarial protesters, and even troops. They were sacrificial dupes. Which, obviously, they were not told.

So there were two levels to this, at least. The dopey Timothy McVeigh guys we all saw on the news were supposed to get slaughtered by the Big Bad (OH NOES TEH SOCIALISTS!!!11! or The State or The Globalists of whatever idiocy the right is pooting this week). Then the command and control level of guys like Cruz and Hawley and guys we'll never hear of unless there is a thorough investigation (cough FedSoc). There is an implied third level: derps like Gaetz and Goser and Susie Q and, for that matter, Dump, preened as the brain trust but rwere public-facing cattle to shove in front of cameras and absorb the heat if things went sideways.

Which, happily for the world, they did.

But The Plan was sound. The Plan could have worked.

I can't possibly agree with that, as there's no way I can give them the benefit of the doubt about how smart they are. All I can give them "smarts" was a weekend warrior mentality to pretend that they were tough and could fight our government similar to Red Dawn.

The shirts were to enrage people, and the engagement was to "actually" over throw stuff. The whole ANTIFA line came when they failed their hard goals of stopping the process.

 

[Kepler]

I think that a small percentage of those people who traveled to D.C. did actually think they were going to storm the Capitol and take over the government, but it was a very small percent. The rest thought they were going to a protest rally. But between the words of the speakers and the actions of the few Call of Duty types, it didn't take long for mob mentality to take over and in they went.

I think this is the dynamics of every instance of mass violence in history, so it does not expiate anything. A murderer whose plea is he "got caught up in the moment" still goes up the river, albeit for Second Degree.

 

[SJHovey]

I think this is the dynamics of every instance of mass violence in history, so it does not expiate anything. A murderer whose plea is he "got caught up in the moment" still goes up the river, albeit for Second Degree.

I'm not arguing against prosecution, or for leniency for any of them. If they committed a crime that we can prove, let's do it. I'm was just saying that I don't think 5000 people got on a plane thinking that they were going to break into the Capitol, seize Pence and Pelosi and hang them from the nearest yardarm. If you join a mob, be prepared for the consequences. Mobs rarely make good decisions.